List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Robey sucks. David Myers

David Myers

Age

36

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

3.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.2

5star

that can't kick.

 

[WCEswift]

I don't think that really happened when Hough played mid and he was pretty handy.

Hes also not bigger/ stronger than harley just leaner

 

[Keys]

Bit of a balls up on Clarke's behalf not getting/making an effort for pick 9 (potentially). Banfield, Evans and William although very talented are only worthy of Rookie spots not seniors spot. Those latter picks should of been bundled up with 13 to move into the top 10. Not to mention the possibility the latter picks may not even be required because of our tight list spots. We've just let rebuilding clubs like Roos and the bombers get a free pass on players we require like dovaston, Farrow or even Sharp sliding. Happy to be labelled a bedwetter than be an apologist for a club that does dumb shit time and time again.

We had been in talks with Carlton for pick 9 with 13 and 34 reportedly being offered. Maybe 41 was on the table as well, maybe not.

Fact is 21,27,30 is 48 points more than 13,34,41

Now consider that we are likely to bid on Uwland first- those picks then become 20,25,28 vs 14,32,39 after the Suns use picks 15,18,24 to match the Uwland bid. That 48 point difference becomes a 166 point difference

When you factor in the pick 25 they’re getting from North, if we bid on Dean at 3 - under the Essendon deal they will still be holding pick 30. Under ours it would be pick 39

The Essendon offer is better than ours

Before anyone says we could have agreed with Carlton not to bid on Dean - clubs need to be careful with that sort of thing. All it takes is Carlton to mention to the AFL that we threatened to bid on Dean if they didn’t trade pick 9 to us and we’re short a draft pick or two all of a sudden

As for North, 25 and their F2 is better than 34 and our F2

Who knows what was discussed/offered between us and Carlton but what they received is better than we could reasonably have offered. Sometimes you can put the work into a deal but someone else outbids you. It happens

As for us, if we had traded for 9 that would have drifted to 13 on draft night. As it stands, our picks will likely be 17,27,34. It’s not a bad byproduct from a trade we’re not involved in

 

[No Hassle Hough]

Maybe the Dons are into Dovaston, but Farrow just seems a classic Pie Man pick to me.

 

[bzparkes]

We had been in talks with Carlton for pick 9 with 13 and 34 reportedly being offered. Maybe 41 was on the table as well, maybe not.

Fact is 21,27,30 is 48 points more than 13,34,41

Now consider that we are likely to bid on Uwland first- those picks then become 20,25,28 vs 14,32,39 after the Suns use picks 15,18,24 to match the Uwland bid. That 48 point difference becomes a 166 point difference

When you factor in the pick 25 they’re getting from North, if we bid on Dean at 3 - under the Essendon deal they will still be holding pick 30. Under ours it would be pick 39

The Essendon offer is better than ours

Before anyone says we could have agreed with Carlton not to bid on Dean - clubs need to be careful with that sort of thing. All it takes is Carlton to mention to the AFL that we threatened to bid on Dean if they didn’t trade pick 9 to us and we’re short a draft pick or two all of a sudden

As for North, 25 and their F2 is better than 34 and our F2

Who knows what was discussed/offered between us and Carlton but what they received is better than we could reasonably have offered. Sometimes you can put the work into a deal but someone else outbids you. It happens

As for us, if we had traded for 9 that would have drifted to 13 on draft night. As it stands, our picks will likely be 17,27,34. It’s not a bad byproduct from a trade we’re not involved in

For those who just want a tldr: Clarke's a ****.








Not really, just leaning into the fantasy of many on this board.

 

[ashstores]

We had been in talks with Carlton for pick 9 with 13 and 34 reportedly being offered. Maybe 41 was on the table as well, maybe not.

Fact is 21,27,30 is 48 points more than 13,34,41

Now consider that we are likely to bid on Uwland first- those picks then become 20,25,28 vs 14,32,39 after the Suns use picks 15,18,24 to match the Uwland bid. That 48 point difference becomes a 166 point difference

When you factor in the pick 25 they’re getting from North, if we bid on Dean at 3 - under the Essendon deal they will still be holding pick 30. Under ours it would be pick 39

The Essendon offer is better than ours

Before anyone says we could have agreed with Carlton not to bid on Dean - clubs need to be careful with that sort of thing. All it takes is Carlton to mention to the AFL that we threatened to bid on Dean if they didn’t trade pick 9 to us and we’re short a draft pick or two all of a sudden

As for North, 25 and their F2 is better than 34 and our F2

Who knows what was discussed/offered between us and Carlton but what they received is better than we could reasonably have offered. Sometimes you can put the work into a deal but someone else outbids you. It happens

As for us, if we had traded for 9 that would have drifted to 13 on draft night. As it stands, our picks will likely be 17,27,34. It’s not a bad byproduct from a trade we’re not involved in

So what are we going to do with picks 17, 27,and 34?

 

[txbyhull]

I’m really trying to come around to CDT at pick 2.

I realise he’s athletically gifted and a great accumulator around the ground, but I still can’t get over the following:

• he’s somewhat undersized for a ruck and doesn’t look likely to grow anymore
• his ruck craft looks dead average
• he doesn’t have an elite jump
• he’s more of a forward than ruck and we are relatively covered for that (Snake, Hand Jobe, Jilliams, Archer, Billiams, etc).

I’m still most definitely team Sharp, or even Robey for that matter, but it looks near certain to be CDT.

I assume he is simply the best available at that pick?

He is definitely the highest ceiling, with the second best exposed form behind Sharp. He's got a higher ceiling than Robey and about 85% the production of Sharp if not higher.

He is undersized for a main ruck at 201cm but he is also the elite of the elite athletically at that size, he's 2cm taller than Jackson. He is also got infinitely better forward craft than say a TDK, another comparison of the fourth mid around the ground ruck. He's pretty much 3 quarter the best of both worlds. He's an 7/10 u18 ruck, and a 7/10 u18 kpf, but he's also the most difficult match up imaginable in both positions, which is the attraction.

He'll never been a 40+ hit out ruck, but he could very well end up in the RoMar / Jackson mould of dominating their opposition of the back of their skill and athleticism rather than pure size. The ruck craft no long concerns me tbh, as it can't be much worse than what we already have.

He does have an elite jump. He was top 15 in both.

We do have a lot of forwards, but CDT would come in and immediately be more impactful forward than everyone bar Snake and Jobe. He also has the mobility and skills at ground level to allow us to probably play an extra tall.

 

[txbyhull]

He will likely provide us with a mismatch around the ground tho which is a big positive.

For ruck craft we really just need him to be competitive in there, ensuring opposition don’t get easy clearances. One of my big grievances with Flynn this last year was after the initial hitout, which generally he was ok at, he was legit useless and any semi good ruckman made us pay. CDT should at the very least be extremely competitive at ground level for a guy his size.

This is very much an important facet. Anyone that has watched CDT knows he's a dog, and never wants to let his opponent get one over on him as soon as the ball breaks loose. He'll offer more in terms of stopping the ball getting out than any of our current rucks

 

[TerryFilk]

With the ESS/NM/CARL debacle our pick 13 suddenly seems difficult to choose.

1-Willem Duursma (WCE)
2-Cooper Duff-Tytler (WCE)
3-Sullivan Robey (RICH)
4-Xavier Taylor (RICH)
5-Dyson Sharp (ESS)
6-Sam Cumming (ESS)
7-Sam Grlj (MELB)
8-Aidan Schubert (MELB)
9-Lachy Dovaston (ESS)
10-Josh Lindsay (HAW)
11-Mitchell Marsh (NM)
12-Jacob Farrow (GWS)
13-??? (WCE)

Upside picks would be Barker or Phillipou. Greeves and O Taylor may be in the mix for polar opposite reasons. We may be offered a F1 from a bottom 10 side. I’d take the Saints one if it were offered.

I don’t think that’s how it plays out at all

I think if Grlj doesn’t go to Richmond, he’ll slide - Hawthorn the most likely spot, if they pass it’ll be between GWS and us.

Schubert I think gets to North

Farrow and Nairn to Melbourne

Think Lindsay will be available at our pick

If it did play out like that though, Pickett, Barker, NHH, O.Taylor would probably be the main guys we’d be looking at.

 

[Keys]

So what are we going to do with picks 17, 27,and 34?

Pick 17 - Draft best available which will be 4 selections after we might have had if we’d traded with Carlton. Not ideal when you consider that at least one of Sharp, Farrow, Dovaston or Grlj would’ve been at that pick but will in all likelihood be out of reach for us now

Pick 27 - can match a bid on Williams from pick 22 onwards. Or if there hasn’t been a bid, the likes of Hibbins-Hargreaves, Thredgold, Phillipou, Emmett, LeRay or Pickett might still be available. Alternatively, we could bid on Addinsall or Sweid or Murray with the distinct possibility those bids won’t/can’t be matched

Pick 34 - would be able to match a Williams bid if it comes after 27. Or if 27 was used to match a Williams bid we could use 34 to draft someone like Rodriguez, BOB, Curtin, Dalton, Onley or Swadling

If we use both picks, we’d then need Banfield and Evans to get through the draft without a bid which is possible

Alternatively, we could trade one of those picks into next year - Gold Coast for example might want to trade a future pick to get points to match a Addinsall or Murray bid. Or maybe Adelaide see Phillipou still on the board and want to trade for him

Having those two picks in conjunction with 17 is better than having 13 on it’s own

 

[SAweagle]

I don't think that really happened when Hough played mid and he was pretty handy.

Correct, and its because the club refuses to draft or develop proper inside mids barring Reid

Willing to play defenders utilities and half forward flankers in there and then wonder why the midfield is in the state it's in

Still have the goofys calling for McCarthy and Hough to go in the midfield next year along with a stringbean utility in Duursma like they are going to be the difference

How remiss of me i forgot the GOAT D.Rob and pies delist fodder Craig Mcrae are en route to fix the midfield

 

[bzparkes]

Correct, and its because the club refuses to draft or develop proper inside mids barring Reid

Willing to play defenders utilities and half forward flankers in there and then wonder why the midfield is in the state it's in

Still have the goofys calling for McCarthy and Hough to go in the midfield next year along with a stringbean utility in Duursma like they are going to be the difference

How remiss of me i forgot the GOAT D.Rob and pies delist fodder Craig Mcrae are en route to fix the midfield

Sharp ain't 'fixing' the midfield in the next 12 months. He doesn't even play there FT in SANFL.

It's also not a 12 month strategy, it's a 4 year one.

 

[SAweagle]

Sharp ain't 'fixing' the midfield in the next 12 months. He doesn't even play there FT in SANFL.

It's also not a 12 month strategy, it's a 4 year one.

Nobody has suggested Sharp will magically fix all midfield issues immediately inside 12 months

 

[eaglespremiers]

the second best exposed form behind Sharp

Are you referring to another draftee? Becaused CDT was poor at the academy games, average at the Champs and virtually didn't play at Talent League.
I can understand why he might go up the top of the order due to what he is perceived to offer, but his 2025 form has not been great and I could think of at least 25-30 draftee hopefuls off the top off my head who have emphatically outperformed him this year (some of whom will go undrafted).

 

[txbyhull]

Correct, and its because the club refuses to draft or develop proper inside mids barring Reid

Willing to play defenders utilities and half forward flankers in there and then wonder why the midfield is in the state it's in

Still have the goofys calling for McCarthy and Hough to go in the midfield next year along with a stringbean utility in Duursma like they are going to be the difference

How remiss of me i forgot the GOAT D.Rob and pies delist fodder Craig Mcrae are en route to fix the midfield

I really hate to be that guy but you haven't listed a single person who Sharp would contribute more than

edit: or any other "proper inside mid" draftee

 

[bzparkes]

Nobody has suggested Sharp will magically fix all midfield issues immediately inside 12 months

Umm, yes they have.

 

[txbyhull]

Are you referring to another draftee? Becaused CDT was poor at the academy games, average at the Champs and virtually didn't play at Talent League.
I can understand why he might go up the top of the order due to what he is perceived to offer, but his 2025 form has not been great and I could think of at least 25-30 draftee hopefuls off the top off my head who have emphatically outperformed him this year (some of whom will go undrafted).

I wouldn't exactly agree with you on that. Though I will say, CDT's upside is definitely more eye-test than it is statistical. Maybe exposed form is the wrong phrasing.

 

[SAweagle]

Umm, yes they have.

Well i'll let you in on a little secret..he won't, however as you've mentioned in terms of the long term vision he would be a major piece of the puzzle, far more appropriate and able to impact quicker than CDT as good as he is.

 

[SAweagle]

I really hate to be that guy but you haven't listed a single person who Sharp would contribute more than

edit: or any other "proper inside mid" draftee

Not sure what you mean?

 

[TerryFilk]

Nobody has suggested Sharp will magically fix all midfield issues immediately inside 12 months

Lol, come on… 90% of this board thinks we should pick him purely because we need a bull, as if he’s going to come in, play 100% of midfield time and instantly fix those issues.

 

[txbyhull]

Well i'll let you in on a little secret..he won't, however as you've mentioned in terms of the long term vision he would be a major piece of the puzzle, far more appropriate and able to impact quicker than CDT as good as he is.

People thinking CDT wouldnt be able to impact year 1 I think just don't really understand him as a player

 

[SAweagle]

Lol, come on… 90% of this board thinks we should pick him purely because we need a bull, as if he’s going to come in, play 100% of midfield time and instantly fix those issues.

I would take Sharp at #2 and personally i would asses his projected impact in 2026 as a midfield/HF rotation, no player can make the jump from juniors to seniors and play 100% time in their preferred position, least of at AFL level in the midfield, a brutally taxing position both physically and in terms of nous. It's not ludacris to suggest he could spend a 50/50 split mid/fHF in his first year. He will be right in the mix for the rising star no matter where he goes.

 

[TerryFilk]

I would take Sharp at #2 and personally i would asses his projected impact in 2026 as a midfield/HF rotation, no player can make the jump from juniors to seniors and play 100% time in their preferred position, least of at AFL level in the midfield, a brutally taxing position both physically and in terms of nous. It's not ludacris to suggest he could spend a 50/50 split mid/fHF in his first year. He will be right in the mix for the rising star no matter where he goes.

Why would you take Sharp at 2 when he’s going to be there several picks later?

If we wanted Sharp, we’d trade down. Let’s see if there’s any traction on Essendon moving up now that they unofficially have pick 9.

 

[SAweagle]

People thinking CDT wouldnt be able to impact year 1 I think just don't really understand him as a player

They both will impact early doors. In terms of WC immediate needs taking into account we've got 3 years to show Mr Reid we're a serious contender Sharps ability to play a real midfield defensive role while being a distribution expert ranks him higher. I also see his drive competitiveness and attitude as perfect for our team and Reid in particular. The Cotchin to his Dusty if you will.

 

[maverick001]

We had been in talks with Carlton for pick 9 with 13 and 34 reportedly being offered. Maybe 41 was on the table as well, maybe not.

Fact is 21,27,30 is 48 points more than 13,34,41

Now consider that we are likely to bid on Uwland first- those picks then become 20,25,28 vs 14,32,39 after the Suns use picks 15,18,24 to match the Uwland bid. That 48 point difference becomes a 166 point difference

When you factor in the pick 25 they’re getting from North, if we bid on Dean at 3 - under the Essendon deal they will still be holding pick 30. Under ours it would be pick 39

The Essendon offer is better than ours

Before anyone says we could have agreed with Carlton not to bid on Dean - clubs need to be careful with that sort of thing. All it takes is Carlton to mention to the AFL that we threatened to bid on Dean if they didn’t trade pick 9 to us and we’re short a draft pick or two all of a sudden

As for North, 25 and their F2 is better than 34 and our F2

Who knows what was discussed/offered between us and Carlton but what they received is better than we could reasonably have offered. Sometimes you can put the work into a deal but someone else outbids you. It happens

As for us, if we had traded for 9 that would have drifted to 13 on draft night. As it stands, our picks will likely be 17,27,34. It’s not a bad byproduct from a trade we’re not involved in

Cheers for doing the legwork to lay this all out