List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Boohemian]

* A bid for West Coast Next Generation Academy small forward Tylah Williams is now widely anticipated to come on the first night of the AFL Draft. Williams was consistent in an indifferent campaign for the Black Swans and blitzed the National Combine, and is viewed among the top three small forwards in the crop, alongside Lachy Dovaston and Latrelle Pickett.

Buggggggggggger

 

[Shueygod]

Is it it not that if we didnt do the above trade we are then front runners to upgrade to pick 9?

Pick 17 + 24 for pick 9 gives Carlton maybe 200 more draft points as between 13 and 24 is also a crapload of picks lost in bidding (4 picks and potentially 5 get lost)

There’s at best 60 points difference between 13 and 34 and 17 + 24, the trade did not cost us pick 9.

Essendon are reportedly offering 21, 27 and 30 which is 200 more points, not accounting for the gain from picks coming in.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Hearing Clarke what I think he is saying is:
-we intend to take pick 1 and 2 and value them highly
-but we would consider a trade involving pick 13 if someone wants to try and get pick 1 or 2

We traded up to get 13, so it seems silly to trade back in isolation.

It's what clubs do all the time. Trade down a few spots to get a bonus pick, like when Port wanted Sinn and we were targeting Chesser.

 

[twce13]

Is it it not that if we didnt do the above trade we are then front runners to upgrade to pick 9?

Pick 17 + 24 for pick 9 gives Carlton maybe 200 more draft points as between 13 and 24 is also a crapload of picks lost in bidding (4 picks and potentially 5 get lost)

Going from 34 to 26 is gaining 201 points but if 17 went to 16 (before Gold Coast pick 15) and 24 went to 20 (2 x Gold Coast and 2 x Brisbane picks) we have pick 16 + pick 20 instead of pick 13 + 26..

I think we would be better off with 16 and 20

no because bombers offer is still worth 200 more points then 17 and 24 would have been.

And as it stands we never had pick 16 and 20. If we held it would have been 17 and 24. As opposed to 13 and likely 26.

Complain all you want but this looks like a good bit of business. Even if they do trade back, it’s likely gonna more than a two pick upgrade in round 2. So from where I’m sitting, things are ok.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

It does make sense to trade back from 13 if there is a large tier that is ranked similarly that start at around 13. We might have been thinking we would be picking the last of the previous tier with the starcevich trade then with the Catlton trade we aren't. Makes sense to move up or down from 13 in this case.

It depends on who's available at that point. We won't be trading until the latest moment. For example a player we want is already gone, or we think a player we're targeting will be available a few picks later.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

no because bombers offer is still worth 200 more points then 17 and 24 would have been.

And as it stands we never had pick 16 and 20. If we held it would have been 17 and 24. As opposed to 13 and likely 26.

Complain all you want but this looks like a good bit of business. Even if they do trade back, it’s likely gonna more than a two pick upgrade in round 2. So from where I’m sitting, things are ok.

TBH its not judgable fully til draft night so can cool our jets on both sides about it but I do think that pick 20 to pick 26 spot will be a big difference... but then it wont be if Tylah Williams gets a bid at around Fremantles pick. We could otherwise have a difference betwen picking up say Harley Barker and say Fred Rodriguez which to me is a huge difference

I think regardless we are taking risks when we didnt need too. Jamie Cripps a standout on that aspect.

 

[twce13]

TBH its not judgable fully til draft night so can cool our jets on both sides about it but I do think that pick 20 to pick 26 spot will be a big difference... but then it wont be if Tylah Williams gets a bid at around Fremantles pick. We could otherwise have a difference betwen picking up say Harley Barker and say Fred Rodriguez which to me is a huge difference

I think regardless we are taking risks when we didnt need too. Jamie Cripps a standout on that aspect.

Where are you getting pick 20? It was never ours (sure before you consider compo, but that’s not relevant)
Literally as the current draft order stands, we had 23 and 24. 23 was the staracevich component and 24 for the move up from 17 to 13.

If 24 to 26 is a big difference what is 13 to 17?

 

[Seadog]

Watch the usual suspects come in to tell us how moving up 4 spots to then beg clubs to trade with us so we can move down again was tactical brilliance...

The usual suspects will have to read the literary equivalent of you flinging your own shit at the wall regardless of what happens in the draft.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Updated Phantom Draft: Big top-15 calls, bid NOT matched as first 30 AFL picks predicted

Updated Phantom Draft: Big top-15 calls, bid NOT matched as first 30 AFL picks predicted

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Shueygod]

Where are you getting pick 20? It was never ours (sure before you consider compo, but that’s not relevant)
Literally as the current draft order stands, we had 23 and 24. 23 was the staracevich component and 24 for the move up from 17 to 13.

If 24 to 26 is a big difference what is 13 to 17?

He’s accounting for picks lost in bidding, it would actually go to 24 after the Dean bid.

However in this scenario and knowing Carlton wouldn’t trade us pick 9 regardless as Essendons offer was far better the actual equation taking into account bids and lost picks is:

17 and 26
For
20 and 24

 

[squashface]

Updated Phantom Draft: Big top-15 calls, bid NOT matched as first 30 AFL picks predicted

Updated Phantom Draft: Big top-15 calls, bid NOT matched as first 30 AFL picks predicted

www.foxsports.com.au

We should be throwing a bid down on Addinsall instead of picking Phillipou in this scenario IMO

 

[Keys]

From the Fox phantom posted above

Had us taking Phillipou with our third pick after bidding on Jai Murray

Also came with the acknowledgement that “clubs” (read reporters) have NFI what West Coast are doing with that pick

All the more reason why I’m happy Clarke was vague as **** in his gettable interview when asked our intentions - might trade up, might trade back, might just use the pick where it lands

In the mix/trade watch: Again, clubs are struggling to get a read on the Eagles at this selection. They’d love Dyson Sharp but would likely need to trade up for him — and that’d be tough to pull off. So if it’s a midfielder they’re after and it’s not Phillipou and can’t be Sharp, could they go ‘bid, bid’ and ask Gold Coast to match for Beau Addinsall after bidding on Murray? If they do, it’s almost certain the Suns wouldn’t match. Arguably the best WA midfield prospect is South Fremantle’s Fred Rodriguez, but it could be a bit early for him. Winger Harley Barker is another name to watch here, while small forwards Latrelle Pickett and Lachy Dovaston would be strongly considered if still on the board.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Updated Phantom Draft: Big top-15 calls, bid NOT matched as first 30 AFL picks predicted

Updated Phantom Draft: Big top-15 calls, bid NOT matched as first 30 AFL picks predicted

www.foxsports.com.au

So GC can match a bid on Murray but not Addinsall? Or is it they want to save points or a spot for Murray?
Greeves not even selected in the first round lol?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Updated Phantom Draft: Big top-15 calls, bid NOT matched as first 30 AFL picks predicted

Updated Phantom Draft: Big top-15 calls, bid NOT matched as first 30 AFL picks predicted

www.foxsports.com.au

That's a very convincing phantom draft.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Pick 1 Rookie Draft - Fred Rodriguez.

 

[ashstores]

It's what clubs do all the time. Trade down a few spots to get a bonus pick, like when Port wanted Sinn and we were targeting Chesser.

What did we use the pick for, that we got for trading back?

 

[Keys]

What did we use the pick for, that we got for trading back?

We drafted Coby Burgiel with that pick, which unfortunately didn’t work out despite it looking a reasonable choice at the time

Very little of note after that pick who we missed out on to be fair

 

[Shueygod]

We drafted Coby Burgiel with that pick, which unfortunately didn’t work out despite it looking a reasonable choice at the time

Regardless of the outcome, getting pick 29 for free is good work. Pick 46/Tom Gross for free is another bit of handy work in recent times.

 

[ashstores]

We drafted Coby Burgiel with that pick, which unfortunately didn’t work out despite it looking a reasonable choice at the time

Very little of note after that pick who we missed out on to be fair

Thanks.

 

[Shueygod]

If Grilj is at the Hawks pick I’d be looking trade up from our pick for him.

 

[TheBudgies]

Rosa sounds like he's prepared to make a serious offer for 2 including a combination of 5,6 and 9

 

[ashstores]

Rosa sounds like he's prepared to make a serious offer for 2 including a combination of 5,6 and 9

I have always said that Matt is a good man.

 

[ShereKhan]

You’ve named a bloke that managed four games his first year and then went back to 2007.

There’d be about 100 inside mids drafted top 10 since Selwood.

Reckon that says enough.

Inside mids don’t impact early.

Sorry to intrude....but there are many 'inside-mids' to impact early on ......since 2009 from the top-10 there's the likes of:

Martin: (debut season 21 games averaging 20 touches and 4.8 clearances)
Trengove (18 / 19 / 2.4)
Swallow (21 / 20 / 3.7)
Prestia (17 / 17 / 2.5)
Coniglio (12 / 21 / 2.8)
T. Greene (19 / 28 / 4.6)
Bont (16 / 16 / 2.2)
De Goey (16 / 14 / 3.0)
Oliver (13 / 19 / 4.2)
Taranto (14 / 15 / 2.0)
Walsh (22 / 25 / 3.4)
Anderson (17 / 17 / 2.3)
Serong (14 / 17 / 3.4)
JHF (17 / 17 / 3.4)
Ashcroft (18 / 22 / 3.6)
Reid (20 / 19 / 5.0)
L Ashcroft (27 / 19 / 2.4)
Langford (22 / 18 / 1.8)


Not all exclusive inside bulls, but certainly centre squared midfielders capable of contested clearance footy as shown by their clearance numbers in their debut season.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

People will only hear what they want to: The part they find the most negative.

Melts it is!

 

[random260]

From the Fox phantom posted above

Had us taking Phillipou with our third pick after bidding on Jai Murray

Also came with the acknowledgement that “clubs” (read reporters) have NFI what West Coast are doing with that pick

All the more reason why I’m happy Clarke was vague as **** in his gettable interview when asked our intentions - might trade up, might trade back, might just use the pick where it lands

Man look at this "they love dyson sharp"

Do the right ****ing thing wce. Your ass is on the line and Matt clark you going to get fire nico chant

Hearing Clarke what I think he is saying is:
-we intend to take pick 1 and 2 and value them highly
-but we would consider a trade involving pick 13 if someone wants to try and get pick 1 or 2

We traded up to get 13, so it seems silly to trade back in isolation.

Wait. Offering 13 on the table to deal with getting rid of 2.

Excellent we are serious then

My gawd Farrow might save us. We might be more inclined to trade pick 2 to ensure we get Farrow who might not be there at 13