List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[Shueygod]

Sorry to intrude....but there are many 'inside-mids' to impact early on ......since 2009 from the top-10 there's the likes of:

Martin: (debut season 21 games averaging 20 touches and 4.8 clearances)
Trengove (18 / 19 / 2.4)
Swallow (21 / 20 / 3.7)
Prestia (17 / 17 / 2.5)
Coniglio (12 / 21 / 2.8)
T. Greene (19 / 28 / 4.6)
Bont (16 / 16 / 2.2)
De Goey (16 / 14 / 3.0)
Oliver (13 / 19 / 4.2)
Taranto (14 / 15 / 2.0)
Walsh (22 / 25 / 3.4)
Anderson (17 / 17 / 2.3)
Serong (14 / 17 / 3.4)
JHF (17 / 17 / 3.4)
Ashcroft (18 / 22 / 3.6)
Reid (20 / 19 / 5.0)
L Ashcroft (27 / 19 / 2.4)
Langford (22 / 18 / 1.8)


Not all exclusive inside bulls, but certainly centre squared midfielders capable of contested clearance footy as shown by their clearance numbers in their debut season.

We have different definitions of impact and inside mids then.

Given the statement was Sharp would improve our midfield next year his output would need to be better than the best of Hall/Macrae/Robertson.

Hall averaged 16.2 and 2.9 clearances as our 5th option last year, let’s say he improves a pessimistic but realistic amount to 20 and 3.5 given his lower than typical TOG/CBA’s this year and natural development.

That leaves:
Will Ashcroft - clear #1 draft pick
Clayton Oliver - Wasn’t across full season
Sam Walsh - Clear #1 draft pick
Caleb Serong
Toby Greene
David Swallow - Clear #1 draft pick
Dustin Martin
Harley Reid - Clear #1 draft pick

As comparable/better rookie seasons than what Hall likely produces next year. From the last 16 years and probably 100+ midfielders to go in the top 10, 1 of the 8 didn’t do it across a full season, another 4 of the 8 were the obvious best player in their class and rated far higher than Sharp.

I’m not saying it’s impossible for Sharp to be as good an inside mid as Clay Hall next year, I’m saying there’s a 95% chance he isn’t.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

 

[random260]

We have different definitions of impact and inside mids then.

Given the statement was Sharp would improve our midfield next year his stats would need to be better than Hall/Macrae/Robertson.

Hall averaged 16.2 and 2.9 clearances last year, let’s say he improves a pessimistic but realistic amount to 20 and 3.5 given his lower than typical TOG/CBA’s this year and natural development.

That leaves:
Will Ashcroft - clear #1 draft pick
Clayton Oliver - Wasn’t across full season
Sam Walsh - Clear #1 draft pick
Caleb Serong
Toby Greene
David Swallow - Clear #1 draft pick
Dustin Martin
Harley Reid - Clear #1 draft pick

As comparable/better rookie seasons than what Hall likely produces next year. From the last 16 years and probably 100+ midfielders to go in the top 10, 1 of the 8 didn’t do it across a full season, another 4 of the 8 were the obvious best player in their class and rated far higher than Sharp.

I’m not saying it’s impossible for Sharp to be as good as an inside mids as Clay Hall next year, I’m saying there’s a 95% chance he isn’t.

Let me pose a serious of reasonable occurances.

Clay hall next year falls out of favour due to his lack of defensive intent and him chasing tail. Then what huh?????

Additonally Tom gross next year falls out of favour because of his height and size. He needs to be the second coming of Lach N with his height. Then what Huhh??

Finn Mcrea well he's might spud it up and turn out to be not useful? Now who's up huh??

Dev well he's a star no issues with that. Hes a lock.

Bo Allen does not demonstrate mid attributes Then what huh???

Smart guy who's next on our depth radar are we all fine and dandy??? What happens if all the occurs. GO on reassure me

Edit-

What happens if Yeo who is 30 has a downwards in form then what huh?

 

[Mr Q]

Odd. Its ****ing absurd

I dont even think this dimwit plans what he is having for dinner before 5:30pm at this rate, never mind the draft hand itself

The interview was a absolute train wreck. The guy doesnt know what to do is the summary we got

Or perhaps, just perhaps, he doesn't want everyone to know his entire plan, so he's not laying it out in detail for consumption on the public airwaves.

You might have to say a thought out loud for it to happen, but that doesn't mean everyone has that problem.

 

[WCE777]

This is exactly the type we should be trying to rookie.

He is raw and has some disposals to fix but you could see him being an elite CHB with his athletisicm and intercept marking.

 

[Shueygod]

Let me pose a serious of reasonable occurances.

Clay hall next year falls out of favour due to his lack of defensive intent and him chasing tail. Then what huh?????

Additonally Tom gross next year falls out of favour because of his height and size. Then what Huhh??

Finn Mcrea well he's might spud it up and turn out to be not useful? Now who's up huh??

Dev well he's a star no issues with that. Hes a lock.

Bo Allen does not demonstrate mid attributes Then what huh???

Smart guy who's next on our depth radar are we all fine and dandy??? What happens if all the occurs. GO on reassure me

You seem to be under the impression we have unlimited midfield time to give away.

A side will typically have 4 primary midfielders with others occasionally running through.

Throw in Elliot Yeo not staying fit. Brady Hough not taking a step up as a midfielder after a full preseason doing so. Tim Kelly and Jack Graham (despite myself not being keen on the idea) will be in contention for midfield time. Brandon Starcevich has apparently expressed interest to play midfield. Liam Baker has shown the capability to do so to a respectable level in the past.

I would have Hewett and Reid as locks to be 2 of the 4, that leaves 2 spots.

Between us we have named 11 players who can potentially fill those two spots, in your absolute worst case scenario we still have players who will play to a comparable/higher level than Sharp as an inside midfielder next season.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

And what happens if a plane crashes into Lathlain and the whole team is crushed? What then huh?

You guys really need to be considering these things or you can't call yourselves fans, smh my head.

 

[Wce17]

Hall & his defensive running is being overblown.

The issue isn't that he's slow and won't chase it's that he just didn't have the tank for a full game like most kids. He'd be fine & then blow up towards the last quarter and a half of games like most of the team. He was asked to do a lot of heavy lifting with no real help around him & clearly was gassed before the game was finished.

Needs to get fitter & by all reports he's gone away at at the end of each season so far and worked on his weaknesses so I expect we will see an improvement in that area.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

Hall & his defensive running is being overblown.

The issue isn't that he's slow and won't chase it's that he just didn't have the tank for a full game like most kids. He'd be fine & then blowup towards the last quarter and a half of games like most of the team. He was asked to do a lot of heavy lifting with no real help around him.

Needs to get fitter which by all reports he's gone away at at the end of each season so far and worked on his weaknesses.

And yet despite that was generally in the top 3 for kms run. Work ethic isn't a problem.

 

[We_The_West]

The club must obviously rate Robertson and McRae to some extent to offer them contracts already.

Ideally Robertson is our Dunkley/Redden defensive big bodied mid.

What's McRae's ideal position? Outside mid? Wing/HFF?

If we take WD and CDT with our first 2 picks, I feel like sliding our 3rd pick back to take Fred and match a bid on Tylah would make sense.

Fred is the best WA balanced mid and Tylah may be the best small forward of the crop in reflection in a few yrs time and has more upside than Malakai Champion due to his better skills.

Hewett will eventually build a tank to spend more time as a full time mid and can rotate through the forward line.

Harley we know can be a dangerous forward and Willem has said himself that he thinks his best position is mid/forward.

So in 3 yrs time we have Robertson, Gross and Hall (possibly Grego and Rodriguez) as our full time mids with blokes like Hewett, Harley, Duursma and maybe Warner rotating between mid and forward.

 

[random260]

And yet despite that was generally in the top 3 for kms run. Work ethic isn't a problem.

That's the ****ing issue. He can have a good 3km but he chases ****ing tail. It very apparent and everyone will visibly see this as a ****ing issue soon enough.

If he clocks in good 3km and still chases tail then its unfixable and a bigger liability then ainsworth kicking

 

[bzparkes]

Let me pose a serious of reasonable occurances.

Clay hall next year falls out of favour due to his lack of defensive intent and him chasing tail. Then what huh?????

Additonally Tom gross next year falls out of favour because of his height and size. He needs to be the second coming of Lach N with his height. Then what Huhh??

Finn Mcrea well he's might spud it up and turn out to be not useful? Now who's up huh??

Dev well he's a star no issues with that. Hes a lock.

Bo Allen does not demonstrate mid attributes Then what huh???

Smart guy who's next on our depth radar are we all fine and dandy??? What happens if all the occurs. GO on reassure me

Edit-

What happens if Yeo who is 30 has a downwards in form then what huh?

And Sharp has to play HFF, like he does in SANFL, because he's too slow on the spread from stoppage.

Then what, huh?

 

[Boohemian]

The club must obviously rate Robertson and McRae to some extent to offer them contracts already.

Ideally Robertson is our Dunkley/Redden defensive big bodied mid.

What's McRae's ideal position? Outside mid? Wing/HFF?

If we take WD and CDT with our first 2 picks, I feel like sliding our 3rd pick back to take Fred and match a bid on Tylah would make sense.

Fred is the best WA balanced mid and Tylah may be the best small forward of the crop in reflection in a few yrs time and has more upside than Malakai Champion due to his better skills.

Hewett will eventually build a tank to spend more time as a full time mid and can rotate through the forward line.

Harley we know can be a dangerous forward and Willem has said himself that he thinks his best position is mid/forward.

So in 3 yrs time we have Robertson, Gross and Hall (possibly Grego and Rodriguez) as our full time mids with blokes like Hewett, Harley, Duursma and maybe Warner rotating between mid and forward.

We've going after each off season since 2023. Of course we must rate him

 

[bzparkes]

That's the ****ing issue. He can have a good 3km but he chases ****ing tail. It very apparent and everyone will visibly see this as a ****ing issue soon enough.

If he clocks in good 3km and still chases tail then its unfixable and a bigger liability then ainsworth kicking

Are you expecting a brand new draftee in Sharp to be more conditioned than a bloke entering his 3rd AFL season?

Is Sharp even any faster than Hall, either top speed or off the mark?

I daresay positioning is the most important thing, which Sharp is indeed very good at but it's also highly dependent on stoppage setups.

 

[FKASC]

And yet despite that was generally in the top 3 for kms run. Work ethic isn't a problem.

Yeah I don’t buy fitness as the issue for Hall. He’s just a bit too much of a ball watcher for an inside mid at this stage imo. Hopefully can become a bit more proactive and get his hands dirty more. Still very inexperienced. Would be keen for him to become a tagger like Hough was doing and move Hough back again

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Watch the usual suspects come in to tell us how moving up 4 spots to then beg clubs to trade with us so we can move down again was tactical brilliance...

We should draft someone we don't rate. The pick might land for once.

 

[WCEConnor23]

The club must obviously rate Robertson and McRae to some extent to offer them contracts already.

Ideally Robertson is our Dunkley/Redden defensive big bodied mid.

What's McRae's ideal position? Outside mid? Wing/HFF?

If we take WD and CDT with our first 2 picks, I feel like sliding our 3rd pick back to take Fred and match a bid on Tylah would make sense.

Fred is the best WA balanced mid and Tylah may be the best small forward of the crop in reflection in a few yrs time and has more upside than Malakai Champion due to his better skills.

Hewett will eventually build a tank to spend more time as a full time mid and can rotate through the forward line.

Harley we know can be a dangerous forward and Willem has said himself that he thinks his best position is mid/forward.

So in 3 yrs time we have Robertson, Gross and Hall (possibly Grego and Rodriguez) as our full time mids with blokes like Hewett, Harley, Duursma and maybe Warner rotating between mid and forward.

Both players are worth a punt, being 22-23 with just under 50 games played. One of them could go on to becoming an important role player ala Hutchings or Graham. Assuming we take Duursma, Evans and Banfield, that's 3 mids added to the books, potentially 4 if we draft a mid like Phillipou at 13.

 

[Tugga27]

That’s not true, there was a poll and 85% wanted the Hawks picks.

Even given your weird take on the Hawks, it was a poor decision.

What's done is done though.

 

[txbyhull]

Jfc the last 6 pages have been a tough tough read this morning

 

[Shueygod]

Additonally Tom gross next year falls out of favour because of his height and size. He needs to be the second coming of Lach N with his height. Then what Huhh??

How tall do you think Tom Gross is? He’s closer to Dyson Sharp than Lachie Neale in height

“What if Tom Gross suddenly shrunk 6cms, what then huh”

 

[gravy_86]

Was Matt Clarke’s interview audio only or included video? I don’t want to read too much into anything until the board body language experts are able to tell us what the real plan is.

 

[Lia]

That’s not true, there was a poll and 85% wanted the Hawks picks.

I think most of us underestimated how bad Carlton were going to be, maybe sucked into the Vic narrative about their decline being injury related. I would include myself here.

Hawthorn finished more or less how most would have expected, maybe lasted a week longer in the finals.

 

[Tugga27]

And what happens if a plane crashes into Lathlain and the whole team is crushed? What then huh?

You guys really need to be considering these things or you can't call yourselves fans, smh my head.

If we pick Sharp, he would survive it.

 

[Citizen Erazed]

Previous Larke Medal winners and their draft position. Notice the biggest sliders there are all on our list (or have been/will be). Dev, Allen and Graham. So it might be fate that Sharp will slide to 13 anyway and we can have him AND CDT.

Erections loading.

 

[bzparkes]

I we pick Sharp, he would survive it.