List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[stallon]

Can Addinsall play hbf?

Yeah, hes probably not very good at it though

 

[jesterwester]

Look at all you plebs arguing between the plodder Sharp, the man that gravity remembered CDT, or this midget Addinsall.

Real big coast energy fans know we should just pass on our picks. Revisit this post in five years and you’ll know I was right.

Heaven help the mods of this board if you turn out to be correct

 

[chaddy22]

Happy to bid on as many academy players with our second pick so long as we are happy to take them if a counter bid is not placed.
Some are worried that other clubs may bid on our players in spite.
Let them.With our good picks we need to get the best talent available and not because they are Nga's or father and son.
Sure if a late bid comes for one of our players and it is the player we want match but otherwise best available.

 

[quackish]

Once drafted, would like to see Willem take on number 40 so that he can be called WD40, I think that would be cool.

 

[maverick001]

Mate, it was last year...

Eh?
People have been rolling this line out for years

 

[maverick001]

After 10 pages of Addinsall love-in I’m looking forward to us (most likely) drafting someone else

 

[Keys]

Sorry, missed those trades so didn’t factor them in. With where those picks might drift into they’d have an extra 850 points thereabouts

Which is all the more reason for us to bid on Patterson - they’d probably be able to cover Murray but would be well short of matching Addinsall - do they want to take a 500+ point deficit into 2026 just so they can add a midfielder they have no room for

So I’ve gone through Twomey’s phantom and properly calculated the impact of the proposed trades and what picks get chewed up in the process

As it stands, if we were to bid on Addinsall with pick 19, Gold Coast would be just over 100 points short after burning picks 42,43,46 and 54 in the process. So matching would land them their 4 main academy players and they’d have a 5th spot open to match a bid on Coulson who likely doesn’t get bid on until after pick 37.

Based on that, I suspect they’d match and take the deficit

What it does show is the importance of bidding on Patterson as well, directly after Uwland. Doing so uses up an extra 345 points and pushes the deficit from manageable to significant (~450 points)

As for Williams, if the Wanchors bid with their pick we can match with what would be picks 28,33 but get 35 back. So it’s a relatively easy match

Consider though that if we don’t match, there would only be 3 live picks before we pick with 28 - per Twomey’s phantom:

25. Hawthorn - Hetherton
26. North - Barker
27. Bulldogs - Emmett

The selections he had for Fremantle following the Williams bid were Sweid (matched - even though Essendon have nothing to match with unless they get something back from Carlton) and Schubert. Those players being available might change the other picks - particularly Schubert

Still on the board also would be Hibbins-Hargreaves, Ludowyke, Phillipou, Kickett, Curtin, Rodriguez, Byrne, BOB, LeRay and Dalton - that’s 10 draftable players we could consider instead of Williams. NHH in particular has his admirers here

Are Fremantle really going to pass on them by risking us not matching a Williams bid - because I’m not sure we would or should match

The other conundrum for us is what to do with our 5th pick. At the point Twomey’s phantom ends there’s just five live picks before ours - Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood, Geelong and Collingwood again.

At least five of those players I listed earlier would still be available- six if someone bids on McCarthy who’s a Collingwood NGA

Do we use that fifth pick and risk St Kilda taking Banfield (who they’ve done work on per Twomey) late in the draft or trade it out - there’d be suitors, especially St Kilda if Phillipou is still there (take their 2026 R3 and 2027 R2). Adelaide, who’s next pick at that point isn’t until 49 might also be interested along with GWS if there’s someone they like worth trading back in for

All up, Twomey mentions at least 35 players in his post phantom links to clubs that will fill what he expects to be 25 further selections by the time the draft winds up at around pick 55

Banfield cracks a mention only with St Kilda whilst Evans and Walley don’t crack one at all. St Kilda are only expected to take 2 selections - matching a bid for Fincher at some point would be one, whilst then trading in to get Phillipou with us or someone else would be ideal as it’d fill their second spot

If we passed on Williams and took say NHH (or perhaps Schubert/Barker if we got lucky) instead, then traded out our 5th pick to ensure we can match a Banfield bid that looks a decent result

Alternatively, is a Rodriguez, BOB, LeRay, Curtin, Dalton or maybe even Phillipou with our final pick a better option than Banfield - who might still get through without a bid anyway

And who do we take if Gold Coast match our Addinsall bid - Lindsay, Marsh and Thredgold might still be there. Maybe Nairn if Melbourne go another way with their two picks

 

[TerryFilk]

So I’ve gone through Twomey’s phantom and properly calculated the impact of the proposed trades and what picks get chewed up in the process

As it stands, if we were to bid on Addinsall with pick 19, Gold Coast would be just over 100 points short after burning picks 42,43,46 and 54 in the process. So matching would land them their 4 main academy players and they’d have a 5th spot open to match a bid on Coulson who likely doesn’t get bid on until after pick 37.

Based on that, I suspect they’d match and take the deficit

What it does show is the importance of bidding on Patterson as well, directly after Uwland. Doing so uses up an extra 345 points and pushes the deficit from manageable to significant (~450 points)

As for Williams, if the Wanchors bid with their pick we can match with what would be picks 28,33 but get 35 back. So it’s a relatively easy match

Consider though that if we don’t match, there would only be 3 live picks before we pick with 28 - per Twomey’s phantom:

25. Hawthorn - Hetherton
26. North - Barker
27. Bulldogs - Emmett

The selections he had for Fremantle following the Williams bid were Sweid (matched - even though Essendon have nothing to match with unless they get something back from Carlton) and Schubert. Those players being available might change the other picks - particularly Schubert

Still on the board also would be Hibbins-Hargreaves, Ludowyke, Phillipou, Kickett, Curtin, Rodriguez, Byrne, BOB, LeRay and Dalton - that’s 10 draftable players we could consider instead of Williams. NHH in particular has his admirers here

Are Fremantle really going to pass on them by risking us not matching a Williams bid - because I’m not sure we would or should match

The other conundrum for us is what to do with our 5th pick. At the point Twomey’s phantom ends there’s just five live picks before ours - Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood, Geelong and Collingwood again.

At least five of those players I listed earlier would still be available- six if someone bids on McCarthy who’s a Collingwood NGA

Do we use that fifth pick and risk St Kilda taking Banfield (who they’ve done work on per Twomey) late in the draft or trade it out - there’d be suitors, especially St Kilda if Phillipou is still there (take their 2026 R3 and 2027 R2). Adelaide, who’s next pick at that point isn’t until 49 might also be interested along with GWS if there’s someone they like worth trading back in for

All up, Twomey mentions at least 35 players in his post phantom links to clubs that will fill what he expects to be 25 further selections by the time the draft winds up at around pick 55

Banfield cracks a mention only with St Kilda whilst Evans and Walley don’t crack one at all. St Kilda are only expected to take 2 selections - matching a bid for Fincher at some point would be one, whilst then trading in to get Phillipou with us or someone else would be ideal as it’d fill their second spot

If we passed on Williams and took say NHH (or perhaps Schubert/Barker if we got lucky) instead, then traded out our 5th pick to ensure we can match a Banfield bid that looks a decent result

Alternatively, is a Rodriguez, BOB, LeRay, Curtin, Dalton or maybe even Phillipou with our final pick a better option than Banfield - who might still get through without a bid anyway

And who do we take if Gold Coast match our Addinsall bid - Lindsay, Marsh and Thredgold might still be there. Maybe Nairn if Melbourne go another way with their two picks

I think if they match on Murray and Addinsall and we can not get a F1 for 13 (we definitely won’t be able to) then you take BPA which is Lindsay or maybe trade down a few picks and take Barker.

It gets pretty bleak if we can’t squeeze out Addinsall and no one slides to that pick.

I wonder if Hawthorn would move down, 10 for 13 and a F2, puts us in Grlj, Dovaston or Farrow range, maybe Sharp’s too. Hawks slide back 3 spots, get Lindsay who they’ve been linked with + net a decent pick in their chase for Butters or Merrett next year.

 

[Keys]

I think if they match on Murray and Addinsall and we can not get a F1 for 13 (we definitely won’t be able to) then you take BPA which is Lindsay or maybe trade down a few picks and take Barker.

It gets pretty bleak if we can’t squeeze out Addinsall and no one slides to that pick.

I wonder if Hawthorn would move down, 10 for 13 and a F2, puts us in Grlj, Dovaston or Farrow range, maybe Sharp’s too. Hawks slide back 3 spots, get Lindsay who they’ve been linked with + net a decent pick in their chase for Butters or Merrett next year.

There’s definitely a lot more variables this year it seems so not sure if Twomey’s phantom is going to be as reliable as it usually is - fair play to him though if he gets it right

I think you’ve also illustrated why Clarke was so ambiguous this morning in relation to our (currently) pick 13. All three options are in play - trade up, trade down or stay put

 

[uptheWC]

I would implore you to find a single person that has outright said they think he’s a late first player

Once again, people were - legitimately - expressing doubts that Dyson Sharp was worth our second pick (initially pick 2, then maybe down to 4 depending on bids). In Twomey's final phantom draft, he's nowhere near that high.

I didn't read a single poster that - legitimately, and not trolling or baiting - thinks if Sharp somehow gets to our third pick that we shouldn't take him anyway. Every phantom draft - including Twomey - Sharp does not last past the mid first round. So the narrative that 'others didn't want him in the top 10' is just blatant gaslighting.

Time to take a break from this thread until the draft methinks.

Who?

I didnt see anybody say that Sharp is crap and shouldnt be taken by us if we split pick 2 for 5+6 or whatever

Various people have compared Sharp to busts like Hobbs, Phillips etc. which is essentially advocating for avoiding him altogether, while the same people among others have argued that his pure contested game style has no place in the modern game.

I think it’s fair to equivocate these opinions to not rating him in the top half of the first round, at the very least.

 

[Mr Q]

There’s definitely a lot more variables this year it seems so not sure if Twomey’s phantom is going to be as reliable as it usually is - fair play to him though if he gets it right

I think you’ve also illustrated why Clarke was so ambiguous this morning in relation to our (currently) pick 13. All three options are in play - trade up, trade down or stay put

I think the biggest difficulty for Twomey is all the pairs of picks. They're just screaming out for someone to trade one out for a couple of other picks (the only reason it might not be chaos is that no one seems interested in trading in F1s). And even one change there will just throw everything out. But if no one moves, then he might get the first 12 right off the bat including the bids.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Once drafted, would like to see Willem take on number 40 so that he can be called WD40, I think that would be cool

 

[stallon]

Various people have compared Sharp to busts like Hobbs, Phillips etc. which is essentially advocating for avoiding him altogether, while the same people among others have argued that his pure contested game style has no place in the modern game.

I think it’s fair to equivocate these opinions to not rating him in the top half of the first round, at the very least.

People have brought up extreme negative examples because people like yourself have made similar claims about CDT being useless.

Thats got nothing to do with what we asked, who in this thread was saying Sharp wasnt worth picking at pick 3 or 4, or if we traded 2 for 5+6 we shouldnt take Sharp?

 

[txbyhull]

Various people have compared Sharp to busts like Hobbs, Phillips etc. which is essentially advocating for avoiding him altogether, while the same people among others have argued that his pure contested game style has no place in the modern game.

I think it’s fair to equivocate these opinions to not rating him in the top half of the first round, at the very least.

It’s not but ok

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So I’ve gone through Twomey’s phantom and properly calculated the impact of the proposed trades and what picks get chewed up in the process

As it stands, if we were to bid on Addinsall with pick 19, Gold Coast would be just over 100 points short after burning picks 42,43,46 and 54 in the process. So matching would land them their 4 main academy players and they’d have a 5th spot open to match a bid on Coulson who likely doesn’t get bid on until after pick 37.

Based on that, I suspect they’d match and take the deficit

What it does show is the importance of bidding on Patterson as well, directly after Uwland. Doing so uses up an extra 345 points and pushes the deficit from manageable to significant (~450 points)

As for Williams, if the Wanchors bid with their pick we can match with what would be picks 28,33 but get 35 back. So it’s a relatively easy match

Consider though that if we don’t match, there would only be 3 live picks before we pick with 28 - per Twomey’s phantom:

25. Hawthorn - Hetherton
26. North - Barker
27. Bulldogs - Emmett

The selections he had for Fremantle following the Williams bid were Sweid (matched - even though Essendon have nothing to match with unless they get something back from Carlton) and Schubert. Those players being available might change the other picks - particularly Schubert

Still on the board also would be Hibbins-Hargreaves, Ludowyke, Phillipou, Kickett, Curtin, Rodriguez, Byrne, BOB, LeRay and Dalton - that’s 10 draftable players we could consider instead of Williams. NHH in particular has his admirers here

Are Fremantle really going to pass on them by risking us not matching a Williams bid - because I’m not sure we would or should match

The other conundrum for us is what to do with our 5th pick. At the point Twomey’s phantom ends there’s just five live picks before ours - Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood, Geelong and Collingwood again.

At least five of those players I listed earlier would still be available- six if someone bids on McCarthy who’s a Collingwood NGA

Do we use that fifth pick and risk St Kilda taking Banfield (who they’ve done work on per Twomey) late in the draft or trade it out - there’d be suitors, especially St Kilda if Phillipou is still there (take their 2026 R3 and 2027 R2). Adelaide, who’s next pick at that point isn’t until 49 might also be interested along with GWS if there’s someone they like worth trading back in for

All up, Twomey mentions at least 35 players in his post phantom links to clubs that will fill what he expects to be 25 further selections by the time the draft winds up at around pick 55

Banfield cracks a mention only with St Kilda whilst Evans and Walley don’t crack one at all. St Kilda are only expected to take 2 selections - matching a bid for Fincher at some point would be one, whilst then trading in to get Phillipou with us or someone else would be ideal as it’d fill their second spot

If we passed on Williams and took say NHH (or perhaps Schubert/Barker if we got lucky) instead, then traded out our 5th pick to ensure we can match a Banfield bid that looks a decent result

Alternatively, is a Rodriguez, BOB, LeRay, Curtin, Dalton or maybe even Phillipou with our final pick a better option than Banfield - who might still get through without a bid anyway

And who do we take if Gold Coast match our Addinsall bid - Lindsay, Marsh and Thredgold might still be there. Maybe Nairn if Melbourne go another way with their two picks

All the more reason to bid on Uwland at 1 meaning the Suns fork up 2,700 points.

Assume it is matched then take Duursma at 2 (welcome to selfless football Willem).

Bid on Patterson at 3 meaning the Suns fork up 1,960 points

Bid on Dean at 4 gives a similar result slight order change costing them 1,766. If they do not trade out 9 and 11, pick 9 is fully consumed (which is now pick 11) and pick 11 goes in (which is now pick 13) while they get back pick 27. So they are trading out meaning more picks in the 20's wiped out.

We then pick CDT at 5.

The Suns currently have 3,772 with an additional 102 points suggested with the Crows deal. That is therefore a deficit after the first 2 bids matched of 786. (the maths is not 100% right as some of the picks will come by 2 after the Uwland bid is matched).

We then bid on Murray at 18 costing the Suns another 752 meaning the total deficit is now 1,538.

Assume matched and happy to take him if not.

We then bid on Addinsall at 19 costing another 712 points bringing the total deficit to 2,250. This is startig to get serious now.

And the Suns have not yet got Coulson! They have sold their F1. Yes they will likely lose players next year and get picks but they do not have points now.

And do not get sucked into thinking there will be a premium on 15 and 18. Assuming the 2 Carlton deals go ahead, we will be the only club with multiple R2 picks that are not with club tied early prospects (and some might argue ours will be with Williams). There are not premiums to be paid. And Lions are also looking for pick premiums with 17. It will not happen in a buyer's market.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Assuming that all of Twomey's mail is correct, here is the 2026 Age by Position

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So I’ve gone through Twomey’s phantom and properly calculated the impact of the proposed trades and what picks get chewed up in the process

As it stands, if we were to bid on Addinsall with pick 19, Gold Coast would be just over 100 points short after burning picks 42,43,46 and 54 in the process. So matching would land them their 4 main academy players and they’d have a 5th spot open to match a bid on Coulson who likely doesn’t get bid on until after pick 37.

Based on that, I suspect they’d match and take the deficit

What it does show is the importance of bidding on Patterson as well, directly after Uwland. Doing so uses up an extra 345 points and pushes the deficit from manageable to significant (~450 points)

As for Williams, if the Wanchors bid with their pick we can match with what would be picks 28,33 but get 35 back. So it’s a relatively easy match

Consider though that if we don’t match, there would only be 3 live picks before we pick with 28 - per Twomey’s phantom:

25. Hawthorn - Hetherton
26. North - Barker
27. Bulldogs - Emmett

The selections he had for Fremantle following the Williams bid were Sweid (matched - even though Essendon have nothing to match with unless they get something back from Carlton) and Schubert. Those players being available might change the other picks - particularly Schubert

Still on the board also would be Hibbins-Hargreaves, Ludowyke, Phillipou, Kickett, Curtin, Rodriguez, Byrne, BOB, LeRay and Dalton - that’s 10 draftable players we could consider instead of Williams. NHH in particular has his admirers here

Are Fremantle really going to pass on them by risking us not matching a Williams bid - because I’m not sure we would or should match

The other conundrum for us is what to do with our 5th pick. At the point Twomey’s phantom ends there’s just five live picks before ours - Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood, Geelong and Collingwood again.

At least five of those players I listed earlier would still be available- six if someone bids on McCarthy who’s a Collingwood NGA

Do we use that fifth pick and risk St Kilda taking Banfield (who they’ve done work on per Twomey) late in the draft or trade it out - there’d be suitors, especially St Kilda if Phillipou is still there (take their 2026 R3 and 2027 R2). Adelaide, who’s next pick at that point isn’t until 49 might also be interested along with GWS if there’s someone they like worth trading back in for

All up, Twomey mentions at least 35 players in his post phantom links to clubs that will fill what he expects to be 25 further selections by the time the draft winds up at around pick 55

Banfield cracks a mention only with St Kilda whilst Evans and Walley don’t crack one at all. St Kilda are only expected to take 2 selections - matching a bid for Fincher at some point would be one, whilst then trading in to get Phillipou with us or someone else would be ideal as it’d fill their second spot

If we passed on Williams and took say NHH (or perhaps Schubert/Barker if we got lucky) instead, then traded out our 5th pick to ensure we can match a Banfield bid that looks a decent result

Alternatively, is a Rodriguez, BOB, LeRay, Curtin, Dalton or maybe even Phillipou with our final pick a better option than Banfield - who might still get through without a bid anyway

And who do we take if Gold Coast match our Addinsall bid - Lindsay, Marsh and Thredgold might still be there. Maybe Nairn if Melbourne go another way with their two picks

Is that including Murray being bid on at pick 19 and Addinsall being bid on at pick 20 ? It should be

2232 pts for Uwland
1615 pts for Paterson
717 pts for Murray

Which is 4544 points . After pick 48 deal they have 3875 points .

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Haven't watched the whole thing, but Tylah starts off by saying that his connection to the Eagles "is not really much".

And everyone keeps telling me we don’t need a team in the Colts competition….

 

[Elite Pete]

How many more half backs can we have ?

Ones that can kick like him with the right decision making, one more.

 

[Elite Pete]

HS pumping up CDT connection to Essendon more than Williams is his to the Eagles

 

[Barrybran]

I am no expert just watching academy kids in VFL. Murray was injured this year but most people value Murray very highly, more than Addinsall. Murray could be another Will Graham.

There will be very limited opportunities in Suns midfield for next 3 years. Good for Addinsall career to go somewhere else.

Personally, I am bit surprised that Addinsall will go in the first round. I guess it's a weak draft.

There is also a strong home factor attached to this year academy kids except Patterson. Those kids grew up supporting Suns, went together through academy and dreamed of playing together for Suns. Be aware in 3 years, haha. If he makes it.

Good luck.

Can we have Dylan please?

 

[Jirik13]

Can we have Dylan please?

Yeah, the X factor, everybody loves Dylan, haha. He still needs to work on his defensive skills.

 

[Barrybran]

I think 99 percent of people want Sharp just not at pick 2….

This is the most sensible take I've read in the past few pages

 

[Jirik13]

Is that including Murray being bid on at pick 19 and Addinsall being bid on at pick 20 ? It should be

2232 pts for Uwland
1615 pts for Paterson
717 pts for Murray

Which is 4544 points . After pick 48 deal they have 3875 points .

Suns have a draft simulator. Not sure how reliable this info is but apparently, loading Twomey phantom draft order and bidding and Suns matching both Murray and Addinsall, Suns would be only 12 points in deficit. All those picks shifting up during matching bids much generate more points than I thought.

So who knows, Suns may still match Addinsall.

 

[Barrybran]

I think if they match on Murray and Addinsall and we can not get a F1 for 13 (we definitely won’t be able to) then you take BPA which is Lindsay or maybe trade down a few picks and take Barker.

It gets pretty bleak if we can’t squeeze out Addinsall and no one slides to that pick.

I wonder if Hawthorn would move down, 10 for 13 and a F2, puts us in Grlj, Dovaston or Farrow range, maybe Sharp’s too. Hawks slide back 3 spots, get Lindsay who they’ve been linked with + net a decent pick in their chase for Butters or Merrett next year.

I saw an interesting trade in a mock draft yesterday that had us swapping 13 + F3 with Adelaide for 16 + F2. That would put Adelaide into the Barker range themselves with some handy players still on the board for us. There's been a bit of talk here about Thredgold, who could be a decent pick up there ahead of North's second pick, unless North take him with their first pick at Carlton's 11, which would make more sense for them than taking Schubert or Dovaston there as they will have other options to flll those roles later.