List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Vader]

I agree that it looks like we are obliged to take 3 picks at the draft, but I assume Hamish/Reid know the rules so I am trying to think of ways that we could fit into one of those five categories of forfeited selections.

- For rookie upgrade - has the window close to do this? Could we do it after the draft? If so it would make sense to keep our options open at this stage. Plan to take 2 and upgrade a rookie later, but if someone we like slides, we can take 3.

- For rookie upgrade - could we have done it but not publicised it? Seems unlikely.

- International Scholarship List - could that be Indy Cotton? Could we be putting him on our primary list instead of our Cat B rookie list? Seems unlikely and would leave us with no room on our rookie list one we re-draft Welsh, which is inconsistent with what Hamish said about leaving open the opportunity for SSP.

Yes, the rookie upgrade window closed with the last List Lodgement before the ND. From memory, this was on 31st October. Several other clubs announced rookie upgrades on this date - Adelaide did not.

No, Indy Cotton is going on our Cat B rookie list, not the primary (senior) list.

The only way we have space for an SSP selection is if:

• We don't re-draft Welsh in the RD (choosing to pay out his contract instead), or
• We suffer a season ending injury between now and when the SSP window closes.

Given that the club has committed to re-drafting Welsh, I don't believe that option actually is on the table.

 

[crows dude]

Twomey just released his phantom 30. Has us getting marsh

 

[Cromulant]

Yeh. I mean, I get how the maths works.

But we haven't upgraded a rookie. At least not that has been announced. So what I'm wondering is...

Have we done it but not announced it yet?

Or have we not done it yet and if we haven't, how late can we do it? If we haven't done it, are we allowed to do it after the draft? If that's an option, then we would have the flexibility to take 3 picks if someone we like is still there later on.

Ultimately - are we going into the draft knowing that it is two picks and two picks only? Or are we going into the draft planning to take two picks, with the option to change that plan if we want to and use a third pick.

We arent doing it

 

[Cromulant]

Twomey just released his phantom 30. Has us getting marsh

The one that matters is tomorrow, gets his late mail

 

[crows dude]

Yes, the rookie upgrade window closed with the last List Lodgement before the ND. From memory, this was on 31st October. Several other clubs announced rookie upgrades on this date - Adelaide did not.

No, Indy Cotton is going on our Cat B rookie list, not the primary (senior) list.

The only way we have space for an SSP selection is if:

• We don't re-draft Welsh in the RD (choosing to pay out his contract instead), or
• We suffer a season ending injury between now and when the SSP window closes.

Given that the club has committed to re-drafting Welsh, I don't believe that option actually is on the table.

So how do we only make two selections as mentioned by Ogilvie

 

[1970crow]

So how do we only make two selections as mentioned by Ogilvie

It’s not sounding possible. If we can’t upgrade a rookie, surely we have to take 3 at the draft.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It’s not sounding possible. If we can’t upgrade a rookie, surely we have to take 3 at the draft.

Twomey mentioned it's possible as did Hamish, so would think it's doable then.

I always thought you could run with a smaller list if you wanted. Have to make 3 spots available for the national draft, but don't need to use all 3.

Time will tell...

 

[Hodgy]

No, the PSD doesn't count. Section 6 of the AFL Rules document specifies the rules for the National Draft. The rules governing the Pre-Season Draft are specified in Section 7.

The rule states that "each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections", which means 3 players need to be selected in the ND.

Clause (ii) of that rule basically means that while our senior list currently has 4 vacancies, we're only allowed to make a maximum of 3 selections in the ND as we need to leave space for selecting Ah Chee in the PSD.

You’re probably right but I’ve read it several times and I don’t see where it says the selections have to be in the national draft, only in the draft selection meeting, which includes the PSD.

(i) At a National Draft Selection Meeting:
(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections (including selections forfeited under Rules 8.6, 10.11(a), 13.4(b), 14.4(d) and 15.8(b));

 

[Hodgy]

Theres a likelihood we'll take an SA kid with our first pick, as for getting higher up..... well other clubs have better hands to play.

That’s simply not true. No other club is offering a F1 so we could move up if we wanted. We have both ‘26 and ‘27 F1’s, as well as F2 next year at our disposal. I would have thought that 2018 would have taught us that you hit a strong SA draft hard.

This is also actually a perfect storm for us as 1, Port have no collateral and 2, it’s considered a weak draft so no one else wants to trade in.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Of those exiting the list... Brodie Smith

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is suiting up for Seaton Ramblers this season

 

[Vader]

So how do we only make two selections as mentioned by Ogilvie

That's what I'd like to know.

 

[Vader]

Twomey mentioned it's possible as did Hamish, so would think it's doable then.

I always thought you could run with a smaller list if you wanted. Have to make 3 spots available for the national draft, but don't need to use all 3.

Time will tell...

We're already running the minimum list size on the senior list. We do have the option of running with fewer players on the rookie list, but we can't go below 36 on the senior list.

Someone suggested that they could upgrade a rookie between the ND and PSD. IF this is possible, then the rookie upgrade would count as the 3rd ND selection.

 

[Vader]

You’re probably right but I’ve read it several times and I don’t see where it says the selections have to be in the national draft, only in the draft selection meeting, which includes the PSD.

(i) At a National Draft Selection Meeting:
(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections (including selections forfeited under Rules 8.6, 10.11(a), 13.4(b), 14.4(d) and 15.8(b));

No... the PSD is a separate draft selection meeting.

When it says "in the draft selection meeting" it's talking about the National Draft - not the PSD or RD, which are governed by rules in other sections of the AFL Rules document.

Section 7.14 states that "Clubs shall select Players at the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting in reverse order in which Clubs finished on the Final Premiership Ladder in the previous Football Year." You'll notice that the wording is very similar, with the PSD spelled out as the draft in question. Similarly, the wording you quoted specifically names the National Draft Selection Meeting. The National Draft Selection Meeting and Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting are two completely separate things.

 

[Vader]

There is definitely a List Lodgement between the ND and PSD. It may be possible to upgrade a rookie at that time, which would count towards the mandatory 3x ND selections. Maybe.

Drafting Ah Chee in the PSD will definitely NOT count towards the mandatory 3x ND selections.

We do NOT have the option of making 2x ND selections, plus Ah Chee in the PSD, leaving a position open for the SSP. As things currently stand, there is NO scope for Adelaide signing a player during the SSP this time around. The only way that changes is if one of our existing players is placed on the Inactive List between now and when the SSP closes.

 

[GreyCrow]

Are we really telling clubs we are only going to take 2 players?

Are we really that du...... oh

 

[adelaidecrows]

There is definitely a List Lodgement between the ND and PSD. It may be possible to upgrade a rookie at that time, which would count towards the mandatory 3x ND selections. Maybe.

Drafting Ah Chee in the PSD will definitely NOT count towards the mandatory 3x ND selections.

We do NOT have the option of making 2x ND selections, plus Ah Chee in the PSD, leaving a position open for the SSP. As things currently stand, there is NO scope for Adelaide signing a player during the SSP this time around. The only way that changes is if one of our existing players is placed on the Inactive List between now and when the SSP closes.

If the Crows are committed to taking a player in the PSD at the time of the AFL draft, the club can 'pass' on one of its selections and that is the loophole. Because of the commitment to Ah Chee, the AFL has in its rules that Ah Chee is reflected on our list space at the time of the national draft which then allows us just 2 selections.

2021 Gold Coast Selected 2 players and a PSD selection
2024 Hawthorn selected 2 players and a PSD selection

So its in the rules.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Are we really telling clubs we are only going to take 2 players?

Are we really that du...... oh

its in the rules. 2 players plus a committed psd selection. As we know the PSD isnt a real draft.

 

[Cromulant]

That’s simply not true. No other club is offering a F1 so we could move up if we wanted. We have both ‘26 and ‘27 F1’s, as well as F2 next year at our disposal. I would have thought that 2018 would have taught us that you hit a strong SA draft hard.

This is also actually a perfect storm for us as 1, Port have no collateral and 2, it’s considered a weak draft so no one else wants to trade in.

You've got to have clubs actually want to do the deal with you.

You live in a playstation world.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

That's what I'd like to know.

One job Vader, One job, and a whole year to do it !

 

[Hodgy]

You've got to have clubs actually want to do the deal with you.

You live in a playstation world.

Clubs are desperate for a 1st next year. Cal has repeatably said that we want to move up but it’s not happening because we don’t want to use our F1. Look it’s fine to have the opinion that this draft is not strong enough to pay such a high price, but it is simply not true to say we don’t have the collateral.

 

[Vader]

Are we really telling clubs we are only going to take 2 players?

Are we really that du...... oh

Every team is trying to minimise their exposure to this year's draft, which is seen as one of the weakest in a long time (probably since the horrible 2020 draft class).

 

[Vader]

If the Crows are committed to taking a player in the PSD at the time of the AFL draft, the club can 'pass' on one of its selections and that is the loophole. Because of the commitment to Ah Chee, the AFL has in its rules that Ah Chee is reflected on our list space at the time of the national draft which then allows us just 2 selections.

Passing is not making a selection. The last clause of the ND selection rules says that we need to leave a space open for Ah Chee, given that we have committed to taking him in the PSD. It doesn't make him eligible for counting as one of our PSD selections.

2021 Gold Coast Selected 2 players and a PSD selection
2024 Hawthorn selected 2 players and a PSD selection

So its in the rules.

I'd have to check, but I'd be 99% sure that they upgraded a rookie as their 3rd ND selection (as we have on multiple occasions in the recent past). PSD picks do NOT count towards the mandatory 3x ND selections.

 

[Vader]

its in the rules. 2 players plus a committed psd selection. As we know the PSD isnt a real draft.

No - that's explicitly NOT what the rules say!

 

[Crow-eater]

Cal Twomey has literally tweeted that more rookie elevations can happen after the draft. That's how it's going to happen. We take two, upgrade a rookie, take Welsh in the rookie draft and have an extra rookie spot either for SSP or mid-season draft. Ah Chee joins in the PSD. Everyone is happy.

 

[crows dude]

Cal Twomey has literally tweeted that more rookie elevations can happen after the draft. That's how it's going to happen. We take two, upgrade a rookie, take Welsh in the rookie draft and have an extra rookie spot either for SSP or mid-season draft. Ah Chee joins in the PSD. Everyone is happy.

Which Rookie?
Murray Borlase or McAndrew.

Not sure any of them should be upgraded. Maybe McAndrew as ruck depth but he can still be that as a rookie.