List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Mulldogg]

Schoenberg to join West Coast

 

[Wooshaaaa]

We have a lot of explosive players and players who excel at metres gained as it is.

I dont think its necessarily a turn off.
As long hes not a liability in transition or in defence(which I dont believe he is) he would be fine.

No we don't.... **** me you come out with some bullshit sometimes.

Baker Maric Duggan reid are the only ones in the top 121 players

Duggan at 35 our best, but dump kicking to a turnover isn't metres gained.

Until we got Tmac in the msd we were the last placed metres gained team in the comp.

No-one has cemented a wing role yet, a metres gained position. And those that have shown glimpses of said stat are far too inconsistent. Maric Davis long brochman all need huge preseasons to cement the wing roles.

Now, starc off half back helps.
Dev should help Harley rocket up the charts in that stat.

But to say we have a lot of players that excell at that is just false. But then again, you think inside mids arent needed in the modern game any more so it doesn't suprise me your hot takes came out of a microwave.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Schoenberg to join West Coast

Whats the list math on this? Too early to have my own brain do it

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No we don't.... **** me you come out with some bullshit sometimes.

Baker Maric Duggan reid are the only ones in the top 121 players

Duggan at 35 our best, but dump kicking to a turnover isn't metres gained.

Until we got Tmac in the msd we were the last placed metres gained team in the comp.

No-one has cemented a wing role yet, a metres gained position. And those that have shown glimpses of said stat are far too inconsistent. Maric Davis long brochman all need huge preseasons to cement the wing roles.

Now, starc off half back helps.
Dev should help Harley rocket up the charts in that stat.

But to say we have a lot of players that excell at that is just false. But then again, you think inside mids arent needed in the modern game any more so it doesn't suprise me your hot takes came out of a microwave.

Why would our stats for metres gained look good? We barely touch the football

Probably need to look more at playing style for us then stats in that regard

 

[Barrybran]

The last few pages were a bit of a mess. Addinsall looks like a solid player but if we're comparing him to Neale, that's a concern for me, particularly at 13. Watching his video, nothing really jumped off the page for me. He can take a hit, he can spread pretty well, he looked reasonably clean with the ball. Someone mentioned his vision and I can see that. He'll be a handy player but but I'm not sold on him being an AFL-level inside mid. Someone mentioned half back flank, which I assume was a joke, but I think Addinsall would be quite decent on a flank. Can he make it as a mid? Sure. But to walk away from this draft with Addinsall as our main midfield target would carry a lot of risk when we need 1-2 elite mids from the next two drafts. Addinsall looks more polished than Gross but I see Gross playing a similar role in time and will be plenty capable.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Suns have a draft simulator. Not sure how reliable this info is but apparently, loading Twomey phantom draft order and bidding and Suns matching both Murray and Addinsall, Suns would be only 12 points in deficit. All those picks shifting up during matching bids much generate more points than I thought.

So who knows, Suns may still match Addinsall.

No idea how the emulator would work as post Uwland and Pattersom all you have left is pick 48 and 50 odd? Your picks cant slide down if you no longer have them after pick 2

 

[Obeanie1]

Addisall and bid hard on Suns kids.

Sets up a play for Walters next trade period.

Force the Suns into deficit and we also pick up a handy player that fits a need but could also assist landing Walters in the future.
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With the news on Schoenberg thats another rookie spot used on mature mids x 3. Looks like we wont be taking all of those NGA kids, which indicates we arent over rating them.

 

[EagleMutt]

Schoenberg to join West Coast

How did st kilda quietly delist somebody and add to rookie list when it had to be announced a few weeks back?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How did st kilda quietly delist somebody and add to rookie list when it had to be announced a few weeks back?

It happened a few weeks back and no one gave a shit so it never got reported is what he means

 

[Obeanie1]

Schoenberg to join West Coast

Happy with that.

So thats 3 x mids around 24 / 25 coming in to beef up our depth and support.

As a min the Beagles should be much more competitive. Expect a few more vets to play WAFL minutes as well.

 

[WCErevival]

We almost have too many midfielders now.

 

[Obeanie1]

why Lindsay and who would the slider be in your opinion

Phillipou.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The last few pages were a bit of a mess. Addinsall looks like a solid player but if we're comparing him to Neale, that's a concern for me, particularly at 13. Watching his video, nothing really jumped off the page for me. He can take a hit, he can spread pretty well, he looked reasonably clean with the ball. Someone mentioned his vision and I can see that. He'll be a handy player but but I'm not sold on him being an AFL-level inside mid. Someone mentioned half back flank, which I assume was a joke, but I think Addinsall would be quite decent on a flank. Can he make it as a mid? Sure. But to walk away from this draft with Addinsall as our main midfield target would carry a lot of risk when we need 1-2 elite mids from the next two drafts. Addinsall looks more polished than Gross but I see Gross playing a similar role in time and will be plenty capable.

Similar role seems a bit of a strange approach. We need multiple Tom Gross not just 1.

The weird obsession with height when it comes to midfielders is well weird. Brisbane won a flag with

L.Ashcroft - 181cm
W.Ashcroft - 182cm
Neale - 177cm
Bailey - 181cm
Dunkley - 191cm
McCluggage - 187cm
Ah Chee - 182cm

I think we can afford to carry 2 guys at around 182cm or less yeah?

 

[eaglevision]

Schoenberg will mean we lose pick 1 in the rookie draft assuming we take all our NGAs and Charlie. Poor use of a list spot. Even a project tall would have been better. We’re so fixated on plugging the age gap after years of shit drafting only to fill it up with more list cloggers.

 

[eaglevision]

1-Uwland
2-Patterson

Only if we’re pulling all the levers and not ourselves of course.

 

[bzparkes]

Schoenberg will mean we lose pick 1 in the rookie draft assuming we take all our NGAs and Charlie. Poor use of a list spot. Even a project tall would have been better. We’re so fixated on plugging the age gap after years of shit drafting only to fill it up with more list cloggers.

I imagine it's to improve the WAFL side more than anything else, since the only way we we can really bring in decent players is to have them on our rookie list.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

1-Uwland
2-Patterson

Only if we’re pulling all the levers and not ourselves of course.

So a extra 800 odd points which to me is them matching Murray only

 

[Coasters7]

1-Uwland
2-Patterson

Only if we’re pulling all the levers and not ourselves of course.

GC making these trades before our bids isn’t smart business. I know it’s unlikely at this stage but we still have the ability to wipe more points off their board if we’re really set on Addinsall.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

1-Uwland
2-Patterson

Only if we’re pulling all the levers and not ourselves of course.

Atleast Paterson at 3

That is 300+ points extra then at pick 5 so lets do it

 

[Jirik13]

No idea how the emulator would work as post Uwland and Pattersom all you have left is pick 48 and 50 odd? Your picks cant slide down if you no longer have them after pick 2

Just for fun, I have just did simulation only for Uwland with bid coming at pick 2.

My understanding is that, every time the pick is used for match all remaining picks move up by 1. Leftover from last pick used to match generates a new pick based on points leftover. Completely used picks move to the end of draft (not sure about that).

I include picks 48 and 49 (trades prepared for draft night). I did not include pick 35 trade with GWS, just saw it.

I may be completely wrong, haha. Here we go. I didn't double check numbers.

3 picks would be used to match Uwland - 15 18 24. Leftover from 22 (originally 24) will generate pick 37.

Remaining picks (generated from original ones) after Uwland match (not including added picks to the end of draft, most probably don't matter).
28 -> 25 590
29 -> 26 561
36 -> 33 382
37 297
48 -> 45 150
49 -> 46 134
52 -> 49 86

In general, picks would be moving 3 positions up. In total extra 463 points will be generated.

Starting with 3773 points (plus 48, 49), matching Uwland with 2232 points, Suns will be left with 2200 points before Patterson bid. Let's say Patterson bids comes at pick 5, to match it Suns needs 1615 points. Still 585 points left for next bid on Murray (extra points generated by matching Patterson bid not included).

Obviously, matching Patterson will generate again extra points. If Dean bid comes before Patterson, agains some picks move up generating extra points. Then there is an Annable bid, and a bid on Swans academy kid before Murray too in Twomey Phantom draft.

Considering we will now also probably get pick 35 from GWS I am now convinced that we will match all 5 (unless my calculations are completely wrong and based on wrong assumptions).

Only one day to find out.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Schoenberg to join West Coast

Do I expect any of Robertson, Shoenberg or MaCrae to be on our list in 4 years time? No...maybe Dev cos he's a local. But can they help fill the void for 2 years while the draftees, Hewett and Harley regain their footing? Sure.

I'm just not expecting them to work wonders.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Just for fun, I have just did simulation only for Uwland with bid coming at pick 2.

My understanding is that, every time the pick is used for match all remaining picks move up by 1. Leftover from last pick used to match generates a new pick based on points leftover. Completely used picks move to the end of draft (not sure about that).

I include picks 48 and 49 (trades prepared for draft night). I did not include pick 35 trade with GWS, just saw it.

I may be completely wrong, haha. Here we go. I didn't double check numbers.

3 picks would be used to match Uwland - 15 18 24. Leftover from 22 (originally 24) will generate pick 37.

Remaining picks (generated from original ones) after Uwland match (not including added picks to the end of draft, most probably don't matter).
28 -> 25 590
29 -> 26 561
36 -> 33 382
37 297
48 -> 45 150
49 -> 46 134
52 -> 49 86

In general, picks would be moving 3 positions up. In total extra 463 points will be generated.

Starting with 3773 points (plus 48, 49), matching Uwland with 2232 points, Suns will be left with 2200 points before Patterson bid. Let's say Patterson bids comes at pick 5, to match it Suns needs 1615 points. Still 585 points left for next bid on Murray (extra points generated by matching Patterson bid not included).

Obviously, matching Patterson will generate again extra points. If Dean bid comes before Patterson, agains some picks move up generating extra points. Then there is an Annable bid, and a bid on Swans academy kid before Murray too in Twomey Phantom draft.

Considering we will now also probably get pick 35 from GWS I am now convinced that we will match all 5 (unless my calculations are completely wrong and based on wrong assumptions).

Only one day to find out.

15,18 and 24 will be gone
25,26,33 go to Paterson

You then have 37,45,46 and 49 left. A bid on Murray at 19 is 720 points needed. You may have around 1000 points left still? That then leave 250-350 points behind. At that point its not enough to match Addinsall without going into deficit for 2027? I think it will end up with

37 becomes 27 = 533
48 becomes 38 = 277
49 becomes 39 = 257
52 becomes 42 = 202

That = 1,269

At picks 19 and 20 to get Addinsall and Murray you need 1400 points exactly

Its pushing it.

If we bid on PAterson at pick 3 that is all she wrote though.... so get some balls and do it ffs

 

[Jirik13]

How would 28 become 25 when it gets eaten up before the other bids? Alot of those picks are gone by the time Annable and co get bid on?

Only picks 15, 18, 24 will be used to match Uwland bid. As those picks will be gone, pick 28 moves up to 25. Did I miss something? Possible.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I saw an interesting trade in a mock draft yesterday that had us swapping 13 + F3 with Adelaide for 16 + F2. That would put Adelaide into the Barker range themselves with some handy players still on the board for us. There's been a bit of talk here about Thredgold, who could be a decent pick up there ahead of North's second pick, unless North take him with their first pick at Carlton's 11, which would make more sense for them than taking Schubert or Dovaston there as they will have other options to flll those roles later.

Adelaide F2 for our F3 would hardly be worth the bother if based on this year's position. Only a difference of 5 spots. Would need Adelaide to go down a few spots and for us to rise a couple of spots to make it worth it .

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Schoenberg to join West Coast

Any chance we haven't committed to Schoenberg & McRae and will make them go through their paces at training before making a final decision?
I thought that was the standard process...