List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Monocle]

I think North go for a tall - probably Thredgold

Carlton having lost Curnow and TDK and having picks to match an Ison bid probably go tall as well with either Emmett or Ludowyke maybe

Dogs are a threat though. They could bid on Ison or King or Williams

Now that would be wonderful if they pulled that off, as it would nullify the Carlton threat of them bidding on Williams, as payback to us for bidding on Dean.

 

[stallon]

I wonder if we would offer North or the Dogs something to move up a couple of spots, just to make sure we get a pick in before a potential Williams bid.

If we want to be sure of one of the top names NHH/Poo/whoever it might be worth it

Maybe offer 29+34 for 26+45 to North?

If we hear Carlton is potentially going to bid on Williams as revenge for Dean we could bid on Ison at 26 then haha

 

[eaglesfan84]

I'll say it now, we should have picked Robey at #2, why wouldn't you? You already got Duursma, a very reliable pick, why not add some X factor with Robey, the upside there is massive. Tytley isn't gonna impact for a long time, I don't see the point in it. Waste of a second pick. Better off trying to pick the most potentially damaging players with a free hit #2 pick. You don't use it on project players. Reminds me of when used a high draft pick for Brander instead of Starcevich I think it was.

 

[txbyhull]

I'll say it now, we should have picked Robey at #2, why wouldn't you? You already got Duursma, a very reliable pick, why not add some X factor with Robey, the upside there is massive. Tytley isn't gonna impact for a long time, I don't see the point in it. Waste of a second pick. Better off trying to pick the most potentially damaging players with a free hit #2 pick. You don't use it on project players. Reminds me of when used a high draft pick for Brander instead of Starcevich I think it was.

Duff Tytler is absolutely the X Factor massive upside pick? He’ll play year 1 and be a match up nightmare. Have you watched much of him?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Yeah, I'm all for not picking CDT...

But Robey played 1 good month of football and that's a risk I wouldn't be taking with a 10ft Chol.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

So who do we want at 29 and 34?

NHH
Philipou
Greeves
LeRay
Emmett
Swadling
Onley
Curtin

 

[Coasters7]

Some of those names left really have me questioning the Cripps decision.

Was always going to happen. This is why we needed to go in with maximum flexibility.

It’s the same attitude our recruiters have had for years. Tunnel vision for a specific strategy without planning for all outcomes and not bothering to go the extra step or make the tougher calls.

Likely we thought we’d top up with the NGAs from this point and lazily didn’t make extra room where it really would have made no difference.

 

[Evo47]

I’m taking NHH, Greeves or Philipou.

All better pick ups than our NGA’s tbh

 

[element]

Would love to know how hard we tried to trade up for Carlton’s pick 9 given that could have landed us Sharp and where we actually had Sharp in our internal rankings.

That and the logic behind burning the Saints F2 to move up one spot which I’m going to assume was to guarantee Lindsay if our bids failed

This is what gets me too.
Did the Blues turn down an offer of 13 + a F2 for their 9? Or their 11?
Were GWS or the Hawks not interested in 13+F2? Well Hawks clearly were.

People are saying the F2 had to be used to secure Lindsay as a backup if GC matched both bids, but that wouldn't have been necessary if a trade of 13+F2 was made with any of the teams with picks 9-12 beforehand; plus we would've had more players to choose from.

Totally puzzling and now it's the second draft in as many years where some strange trading away of picks has occurred.

 

[WCE777]

Well I wanted to target ground ball players and we have zero so far.

Consolidation prize is we targeted ball movement, predominantly with players who excel with the play in front of them.

I don't see any any immediate impact on team performance and we'll need to improve a lot from within.

What are your thoughts on Phillipou or NHH with a pick our next pick.

NM: Bid Ison take THREDGOLD/LUDOWYKE supposedly looking at a KP player.
WB: EMMETT/THREDGOLD supposedly looking at a Ruck or KPD.

Leaves supposedly pick 29 to take best available player for WC before a bid on Williams after this.

 

[mattyc75]

Exceedingly pleased with this first round. Was secretly hoping for no mids to be taken, just don't have the development space for them. Lindsey I wasn't expecting but his potential to immediately end the careers of Tom Cole, Harvey Johnston or evan Hamish Davis [or god forbid, the Baba Yaga himself] means he's got a genuine shot of cementing a spot in the 23 next year.

Very happy to let a midfield rotation of Reid, Hewett, Yeo, Allan, Hall, Gross cook for a year rather than throwing a draftee into the mix. Duursma and Lindsay can step into wing and half forward roles and actually be an upgrade in these kind of positions where our most offensive list cloggers have eked out a living in recent years.

Dufftler we can take our time with, hope he doesn't see a single ruck contest at AFL level in 2026 but about 8-10 games through the year covering for an injured Harry Edwards or Jake Waterman or Jobe Shannahan [its bound to happen], or holding down a genuine spot as our 3rd tall where matchups present themselves would be ample development for him. Then at the lower level build his ruck/forward craft.

Many players on the board I still like in the main draft but they are not for us as we've all noted. Banfield only academy kid I care about so if the expected happens and no bid comes for him and we match Williams I'll be pretty content. If we somehow **** it up and can't match an unexpected bid on him in the last half dozen picks them I am comfortable with the entire list management team facing the firing squad and folding the club for good measure.

I thought lindsey was a HBFer?

 

[WCE777]

I think North would be looking at one of either Louis Emmett and Archie Ludowyck, some one need to be added to their list as a KPF to help Larkey going forward.

Carlton may well decide to be vindictive after our Dean bid, so thats a real possibility.

Doggies might bid.

Saints could also trade into that part of the draft to chase Phillipou.

There are some good player still on the Board that would suit our list needs:

Treadgold
Phillipou
Hibbins-Hargreaves
Oudshoorn-Bennier

I be thrilled IF we can get one more pick away before we have to use our current pick #34 on Williams.

Sorry just read your post after I stated something similer.
Best available would probably be Phillipou/NHH in that order.
Then as you say use 34 on Williams.

 

[sharps24]

I thought lindsey was a HBFer?

Do we need another half back flanker, or is an 18 year old 0 game player who we want to be putting into our tightest 6 thats already pretty inexperienced playing together? I would think given his skills and given wing is the least locked down position in our side he might be able to roll through there. Ditto with half forward where his i50's you'd imagine will be silk and he's competing for a spot with the likes of prime delist fodder Owee's and Noah Long, or the once excellent but now aged Jamie Cripps.

At the end of the day is we moved McCarthy up to a wing and Maric loses his presence down back due to Starcevich then yeah could see him being useful down there. But playing defence in a team that regularly gets pumped by 50 plus isn't really where you want to be onboarding a new recruit imo. He's a quality footballer, move him closer to goal where mistakes are less costly and it's more on him to make the plays. Pretty low bar to replace the sub 10 possession 0-1 goal a game crowd we have there presently.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'd definitely be open to ignoring a bid on Williams entirely. Grab Greeves, Fred, Thredgold, whoever.

Collard performed so much better at WAFL league level, kicked a few bags late... And how's he going at the Saints again?

Williams couldn't manage that. He looks decent, but his his entire hype has been based off combine testing only. On output he's RD material.

Would hurt a lot more to miss out on Banfield TBH.

 

[stallon]

Do we need another half back flanker, or is an 18 year old 0 game player who we want to be putting into our tightest 6 thats already pretty inexperienced playing together? I would think given his skills and given wing is the least locked down position in our side he might be able to roll through there. Ditto with half forward where his i50's you'd imagine will be silk and he's competing for a spot with the likes of prime delist fodder Owee's and Noah Long, or the once excellent but now aged Jamie Cripps.

Imo with Ginbey and Hough past 50 games now, we are at the point we can bring in another teenager to our d50

Edwards and Young are over 25. Starcevich and Duggan are over 25 as mediums and experienced premiership players. Ginbey and Hough are young but past the point where they are inexperienced - they more than hold their own.
Lindsay as the addition to that, as a distributor can fit quite comfortably into that backline.

If he cant join that backline then at what point can he? Nobody there is still learning the basics

Id assume Duursma will sit on a wing, and Allan needs a spot too now that the d50 is full. Id guess these two are our wingers next year along with Maric and Dewar

 

[Mr Q]

The sheer level of melting over losing a F2 linked to a club that's clearly loaded up for a finals tilt next year (and thus is likely in the 30s) is quite amazing. You'd think we just decided to trade pick 2 for a FF4 or something or pass on a round 1 pick.

Clearly the Eagles had decided that there were three players they'd accept at that pick (remembering you have to be prepared to take anyone you bid on) - Murray, Addinsal and Lindsay. The first two were at best long shots - but spot Essendon didn't match at the end there, so it happens - and the third seems to have been the best of what remained - so we decided to jump to make sure we got one of those, not the first of the rest.

I'd like to see one of

• If we can trade 29 for a F2, then do it, but I reckon that will be really hard, maybe only clubs looking a high finishes next year might be interested.
• 29+34 for a potentially good F2 or a likely late F1 would be reasonable.
• We could try packaging 29+our F2 for a F1 - might appeal to a club looking at a top six finish next year. We move up a few spots in next year's first round, and have someone to really deathride.

If we don't pick up anyone else other than NGAs or Banfield, I reckon we've had a good draft.

 

[absolutemadness]

Duursma & CDT make sense and I think it was the right decision re our team balance and needs. But we should have had Sharp as well which would have been the perfect draft. How Essendon paid less for Sharp than we did for Lindsay is clear incompetence. There is literally no excuse for this and we should have had the upper hand in ever respect. It’s actually quite shameful and the club needs to get rid of people who can’t make the right decisions given they literally only have one thing to do each year. Like what the … it’s hard to believe and someone should be sacked!

 

[Dark Sharks]

The sheer level of melting over losing a F2 linked to a club that's clearly loaded up for a finals tilt next year (and thus is likely in the 30s) is quite amazing. You'd think we just decided to trade pick 2 for a FF4 or something or pass on a round 1 pick.

I think it's more over the fact we technically lost Liam Ryan for absolutely nothing me old mate. Elite list management.

It was amateur from the club, they were clearly shocked, no matter how much copium you sprinkle on top.

 

[fullbull]

So who do we want at 29 and 34?

NHH
Philipou
Greeves
LeRay
Emmett
Swadling
Onley
Curtin

NHH for me. Looks like a good mid/fwd hybrid with clutch goalkicking capability. Sign me up please

 

[WCEswift]

NHH for me. Looks like a good mid/fwd hybrid with clutch goalkicking capability. Sign me up please

We tend to like players that ****in dunk on WA in the states carnivals, he certainly did that

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I'd definitely be open to ignoring a bid on Williams entirely. Grab Greeves, Fred, Thredgold, whoever.

Collard performed so much better at WAFL league level, kicked a few bags late... And how's he going at the Saints again?

Williams couldn't manage that. He looks decent, but his his entire hype has been based off combine testing only. On output he's RD material.

Would hurt a lot more to miss out on Banfield TBH.

I'm a little concerned about how we'll be able to match any late bids on Banfield & Evans if they come.
With our last 2 picks in the first 8 picks of round 2 and considering our best available talent strategy, I don't see how we don't use both picks on other players if no bids come for our club-tied players.
Is it realistic for us to trade down for future picks in preparation for late bids? I think we might legitimately just be hoping that they last until the end of the draft.

 

[absolutemadness]

I really can’t believe it and it is literally not defensible. We could and should have had pick 9. Think Lindsay drifted cause he is a soft outside payer in a position we had filled. Then there is Sharp who can distribute to Reid, Duursma, Hewitt. McCarthy

 

[Keys]

Started trade/draft period with
2xR1 picks- 1,17
2xR2 picks- 24,38
1xR3 pick- 58
1xR1 priority pick- 23
(Based on position of picks after compensation picks added in)

Out: Allen (FA), Ryan and Chesser (traded), 2027 R3 pick

Turned that into

Duursma (pick 1)
Duff-Tytler (pick 4)
Lindsay (pick 20)
???? (pick 29)
???? (pick 34)
Starcevich and Young (trade)
2026 R4 pick (Bulldogs)

Correlated roughly as:

Pick 1 - Duursma
Allen - Duff-Tytler
Pick 17* - Lindsay
PP - Starcevich
Pick 24 - TBA (pick 29)
Pick 38 - TBA (pick 34)
Pick 58 - 2026 R4
Chesser - Young

* This also effectively cost us Ryan plus our 2027 R3 pick which is the glaring black mark of our overall trade/draft period so far.

It’s the culmination of a series of trades using what started as the Hawthorn R1 pick and ended with us using the Saints F2 we received for Ryan being used to move one spot up in the draft order

Remains to be seen what we do tomorrow but as it stands, all things being equal, we’ve essentially given Ryan away for nothing. Totally ok with how our other assets have been used but Clarke and co will need to pull a rabbit out of their hat to even the ledger up

 

[Mr Q]

I think it's more over the fact we technically lost Liam Ryan for absolutely nothing me old mate. Elite list management.

It was amateur from the club, they were clearly shocked, no matter how much copium you sprinkle on top.

Well no - we got in ahead of other clubs at that pick. There may well have been a line up of clubs trying to get that pick off the Hawks, and the cost to stay ahead of them was what we did. Honestly, I don't really give a **** about a future second round pick most of the time - they're more likely to get you a nothing burger than a long term player, so I can't see the value in melting to the ground over it. Particularly true if we have another NGA set next year.

Just don't see the point in the whole level of melting that was going on.

Given we've just picked up two draftees with elite ratings and one who was seen as a fair slider, I reckon it's time to actually be happy with what you've got rather than to cry over something way smaller that you think you lost.

 

[mattyc75]

Do we need another half back flanker, or is an 18 year old 0 game player who we want to be putting into our tightest 6 thats already pretty inexperienced playing together? I would think given his skills and given wing is the least locked down position in our side he might be able to roll through there. Ditto with half forward where his i50's you'd imagine will be silk and he's competing for a spot with the likes of prime delist fodder Owee's and Noah Long, or the once excellent but now aged Jamie Cripps.

At the end of the day is we moved McCarthy up to a wing and Maric loses his presence down back due to Starcevich then yeah could see him being useful down there. But playing defence in a team that regularly gets pumped by 50 plus isn't really where you want to be onboarding a new recruit imo. He's a quality footballer, move him closer to goal where mistakes are less costly and it's more on him to make the plays. Pretty low bar to replace the sub 10 possession 0-1 goal a game crowd we have there presently.

Yeah just thought I'd read that he seemed to have little positional versatility, perhaps the reason he slides a bit?