Analysis 2025 Draft watch

[Aphrodite]

 

[DZ4]

Ah yes we should have waited longer before making trades and yet somehow still have it done prior to Pick 3 when the bid came.

And no pick swaps were allowed from a couple of weeks before so when exactly where you expecting these trades to be done? It's only become clear that Harry was going to be bid on this early recently. During the trade period a lot on here were still hoping he may fall closer to 9.

I think Harry Dean shot to pick 3 because of our awkward draft hand, not necessarily because he was rated there. Don’t think they call his name out in an open draft.

 

[carlton_99]

I think Harry Dean shot to pick 3 because of our awkward draft hand, not necessarily because he was rated there. Don’t think they call his name out in an open draft.

Maybe but we brought in 9 and 11 in the trade period but I don't remember many saying Dean will be take in the top few then. Even Cal said it was unlikely at the time from memory. I think our refusal to do a deal with Eagles for 9 annoyed them.

 

[Pixelshooter]

Speaking of Twomey and his sidekick...

No idea who thought Twomey was good TV talent. Obviously knows his stuff but has the charisma of a cardboard box.

As far as clubs bidding on FS and Academy players they know they won't get...it's the situation where you hate it when it affects us, but agree when it affects clubs higher on the ladder. I don't think anyone wants to see another situation where a club like Brisbane pays peanuts to get super talent when they're at the top of the ladder.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Austin isn’t very good at math either and did worse than that by taking two picks in the teens into draft night giving us no bargaining power and forcing us to take the shit deals offered from Essendon and North Melbourne. The north deal in particular terrible.

It's not really. Their future 2nd will be invaluable to us in a strong draft in 12 months time.

But please don't let facts get in the way if your continual moaning.

 

[BRADLESTICKS]

Ah yes we should have waited longer before making trades and yet somehow still have it done prior to Pick 3 when the bid came.

And no pick swaps were allowed from a couple of weeks before so when exactly where you expecting these trades to be done? It's only become clear that Harry was going to be bid on this early recently. During the trade period a lot on here were still hoping he may fall closer to 9.

No, the picks should have been traded out during the trade period, we are the first club ever with a father son / academy player rated in the top 5/6 to take two teens pick to the draft to match.

The suns just had a trade period where the picked up Petracca with two first rounders and then matched bids on four top 18 picks including picks 2 and 4 all while using picks lower than ours in the teens.

Some might ask what else Austin could have done the answer is almost anything else.

 

[carlton_99]

No, the picks should have been traded out during the trade period, we are the first club ever with a father son / academy player rated in the top 5/6 to take two teens pick to the draft to match.

It was not expected during trade period Dean was going to go this early. Like I said Cal said it was unlikely Eagles would bid not long ago.

A bid closer to 9 would have absorbed 9 and slid 11 back into early teens. Would have turned 9, 11 and later picks into Dean, a top-15 prospect and Ison. Think most would have seen that as a win.

 

[RPCB]

No idea who thought Twomey was good TV talent. Obviously knows his stuff but has the charisma of a cardboard box.

I wonder how much of that has to do with being told where players will be selected on draft night days in advance.

 

[carlton_99]

The suns just had a trade period where the picked up Petracca with two first rounders and then matched bids on four top 18 picks including picks 2 and 4 all while using picks lower than ours in the teens.

Gold Coast traded a bunch of futures into this draft to help get points. Not sure how that would have helped us considering we have Walker to consider.

 

[KnobHead]

Some of the melts in here about pick 3 for Dean. Kid was highly rated across the board, think it’s great we were able to get him using F/S. “West Coast did this” “West Coast did that” “Club shouldn’t have traded picks 9 and 11” blah blah blah - who gives a s@&t. Think we should be rapt we got Dean.

And with the North trade we also got a F2 coming back, which is very likely going to be close to a first round pick in a much stronger draft. Think. Should also help if we need trade currency if we need to get a higher first round pick for Walker.

 

[Numero 31]

I think they legitimately did it just to get us back for Chesser. Otherwise it makes no sense because it actually hurt their draft hand.

... and the Matt Owies trade

 

[Soapy V]

So in Summary we have

Dean, Ison another pick (Ludowyke/Greeves?) and a F2

if we stayed with 9 & 11 we would have had Sharp & Dovaston (based on who was picked at those)

I see it as a big win especially around needs and our List

 

[BringFevBack2021]

I think Harry Dean shot to pick 3 because of our awkward draft hand, not necessarily because he was rated there. Don’t think they call his name out in an open draft.

Disagree, he could’ve gone as high as 1

As could’ve Anables

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Once again they had a throw at the stumps with a couplevl of academy kids but rated Lindsay and thought that the Hawks would take him. They paid for that privilege but Lindsay is a good player.

So you think their plan was to get in ahead of the Hawks on Lindsay - after first trying for 2 other players. The Hawks who were so desperate for Lindsay that they traded backwards twice?

Thats some 4D chess right there.

 

[slashin_velvet]

No, the picks should have been traded out during the trade period, we are the first club ever with a father son / academy player rated in the top 5/6 to take two teens pick to the draft to match.

The suns just had a trade period where the picked up Petracca with two first rounders and then matched bids on four top 18 picks including picks 2 and 4 all while using picks lower than ours in the teens.

Some might ask what else Austin could have done the answer is almost anything else.

Isn't the issue that we don't have enough list spots open? As part of the points changes many years ago, the AFL set a rule that each club can only take as many picks into the draft as they have in available list spots.

Use Gold coast as the comparison - they had 37 spots taken, leaving 7 available (for a total of 44). Carlton on the other hand have 40 players contracted, and therefore only 4 spots available.
Gold coast started with: 15, 18, 24, 28, 29, 36, 52
Carlton started with: 9, 11, 43, 54

Therefore, with the AFL changes, we had to go into the draft with higher value picks with a view to swap for more points after the draft started.

 

[carlton_99]

Isn't the issue that we don't have enough list spots open? As part of the points changes many years ago, the AFL set a rule that each club can only take as many picks into the draft as they have in available list spots.

Use Gold coast as the comparison - they had 37 spots taken, leaving 7 available (for a total of 44). Carlton on the other hand have 40 players contracted, and therefore only 4 spots available.
Gold coast started with: 15, 18, 24, 28, 29, 36, 52
Carlton started with: 9, 11, 43, 54

Therefore, with the AFL changes, we had to go into the draft with higher value picks with a view to swap for more points after the draft started.

Yep another good point. We were only able to take four into the draft. Only way to get more picks in is on draft night and it had to happen prior to pick 3. Small window

 

[Crippa#9]

My idea is that we trade away players we don’t need for extra first round picks.

Lol. Who are these unwanted players you would trade out that have first round currency?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Would not mind those names, Thredgold and Dean could lock up our defensive unit for years.

Don't love the idea of doubling down on KPDs in the one draft. Sure, they could lock up our defensive unit for years, but Weiters has 5 left in him and it might not be feasible for both Dean and Thredgold to get games together early in their careers. Every chance only Dean plays, while Thredgold "develops" and then "seeks opportunity elsewhere".

Even if both did come good and become long-term staples, you then end up with a situation where both KPDs are approaching retirement at the same time, which can cause challenges around prepping replacements. Better to stagger our KPP stocks a little.

(Edit: also need to factor in HOF)

 

[BRADLESTICKS]

It's not really. Their future 2nd will be invaluable to us in a strong draft in 12 months time.

But please don't let facts get in the way if your continual moaning.

The future 2nd just like this years will be a pick in the late 20s early 30s that’s not invaluable

 

[tarczonandjane]

I think divergence of views is important on this site. So I appreciate the first time I’m told how much Austin, Agresta and co stuffed up the draft. When I’m up to the 500th time of the same stuff I’m probably becoming a bit bored by the argument.

 

[manang magoos]

If it’s me I’m 100% drafting Phillipou if Ison doesn’t get vid.

No brainer. The kid is a talent

Yer just ask him gives me figjam vibes

 

[Opium]

Would not mind those names, Thredgold and Dean could lock up our defensive unit for years.

Not sure we need 4 KPD on our list. Other priorities for our list.

 

[Soapy V]

Yer just ask him gives me figjam vibes

Lot of ability but the interviews would tell us a lot. I reckon he would turn a lot of clubs off.

 

[BRADLESTICKS]

Isn't the issue that we don't have enough list spots open? As part of the points changes many years ago, the AFL set a rule that each club can only take as many picks into the draft as they have in available list spots.

Use Gold coast as the comparison - they had 37 spots taken, leaving 7 available (for a total of 44). Carlton on the other hand have 40 players contracted, and therefore only 4 spots available.
Gold coast started with: 15, 18, 24, 28, 29, 36, 52
Carlton started with: 9, 11, 43, 54

Therefore, with the AFL changes, we had to go into the draft with higher value picks with a view to swap for more points after the draft started.

This is a good point but could have been managed by creating list spots in other ways such as not signing McGovern or delisting or paying out players we no longer require such as Boyd or Fogarty.

 

[smashbox gill]

i actually love the confidence Phillipou has in his ability.
Belief in himself and his ability. You need those sort of players in your team

 

[marcmurphy3]

They had to trade in 2 first round picks and used their own this year to do so

The clubs have no idea what the changes would be and we’ve just been through a trade and draft process where picks have flown all over the joint from next years draft.

The changes had to be made prior to this years trade period for it to affect next years draft.

I’m willing to lay a hefty bet nothing changes next year and nothing would have changed even before 2 clubs didn’t match bids. Clubs clearly convinced the AFL to let the changes they only made last year to be tested and see the outcome first.

I would love for you to be right but almost certainl you will be wrong. Your points make sense but unfortunately its the AFL