List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[ziad]

Happy aswell. Maybe there was a few more clubs after Lindsay if the bids fell through so we had to pay up.

Who would you target with the next few picks?

who would want a great decision maker who is aso the best kick in the draft

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Josh Lindsay sounds exactly like the type of player you want playing off a half back flank. Despite having a plethora of half backs, we have lacked elite kicking off their since Hurn/Jetta days. McCarthy looked promising, but he's probably earmarked for the midfield now.

I think we messed up the calc's on GC, but also believe Hawthorn did as well. Think they were expecting us to get Adinsall, then they could still take Lindsay.

Oh well. We move on.

 

[Coasters7]

They moved up the board for Addinsall or Lindsay, really not hard to understand.

Do people think eagles also miscalculated and assumed they were getting Uwland at 2?

Did GWS move up for Harry Kyle?

Eagles clearly had Addinsall and Lindsay in a tier above the next best and were happy to pay saints f2 for either of them.

The vision is a bit damning and maybe I’m giving them too much credit but I think it was a calculated risk.

Traded up for Addinsall thinking worse case we’d get a similar offer back for Lindsay (or take him ourselves) if we failed.

Surely no one can be incompetent enough to throw all their eggs in an outside shot at an academy player. Although not impossible given we telegraphed what we were doing.

 

[bzparkes]

I’m not sure who worked with him to develop his skills, lol.

 

[bombard]

The club rated Murray, Addinsall and Lindsay and didn't want to risk Hawthorn grabbing Lindsay and suspected Gold Coast would match for the first two.

I don't support the trade - think we should hoard one more crop of picks before Tasmania come in, even if Saints win the flag a pick 40ish could still be useful for NGAs or trading purposes etc etc - but I can understand the rationale.

At least it's not our F2, I suppose.

The trouble is, if we rated Adinsall so much, why not bang Gold Coast harder with #1 bids?

What you say may be entirely accurate but nature (and opinion) abhors a vacuum.

Just reading the melts about trading out the Saints F2.

In a night where we got great prospects in the first round, there are a bunch who are not happy Karens! Oh well, some are never pleased.

Let’s not focus on how happy the 3 prospects sounded in becoming Eagles. Let’s worry about what is likely to be a mid 30’s pick was used to get up the draft board in R1

Watching our malcontents melt is one of my favourite hobbies, but I dunno that calling them Karens is fair on this one.

To be clear, my gripe is with the information flow more than the decision. I'm not a draft watcher and I'll trust the club to make better choices than me.

However, and I think this isn't unreasonable, the club doesn't have the benefit of the doubt with supporters right now: on field performance is dreadful, and we've made some very questionable trade calls in recent years. If the club were a publicly listed company or, you know, an actual club, then management would be required to provide some sort of insight into how we got to the choice made last night on the trade. This isn't 1996 and the club has run out of "just trust us guys" credits for now.

If we were on the other side of this deal, and we took a second rounder from another club for a one pick downgrade - how would we feel about the club we just fleeced?

If it's just the usual fluff on the eagles website without any sort of additional depth on the decision making, the club has missed an opportunity to win back some much needed credibility. This isn't business as usual and hasn't been for some years.

 

[mattyc75]

Hope picking CDT doesn’t deter us from taking Benji van Rooyen or Axel Walsh as a genuine ruck project in the coming years.

I was hoping the prospect of getting one of them might deter us from taking CDT

 

[bzparkes]

GWS trade up 2 spot using a f2nd and launch failed bid on Kyle, then take a player who'd have likely been available anyway:
WCE board - "That's elite shithousery from GWS."

WCE do exactly the same thing with Addinsall(one less spot):
WCE board - "WTF?! Club better explain this! SACK DUMB PUKE!!!!!!!"

FMD some of you need to get a grip.

 

[WCE_Phill]

I would trade our 2 remaining picks for future picks.
We're going to need points next year for our NGA and Banfield who are tracking better than this year's mob

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The vision is a bit damning and maybe I’m giving them too much credit but I think it was a calculated risk.

Traded up for Addinsall thinking worse case we’d get a similar offer back for Lindsay (or take him ourselves) if we failed.

Surely no one can be incompetent enough to throw all their eggs in an outside shot at an academy player. Although not impossible given we telegraphed what we were doing.

My favourite thing is that despite all the money floating around the AFL and the media who cover the AFL, no one can actually track things like points and ability to match in real time and present to the public. IF there was a similar system in the NBA/NFL there would be multitudes of options that would be doing so.

 

[squashface]

Keen on NHH or BOB with our next but if they aren't available I'd just try move the pick into next year/later in the draft.

Not interested in Greeves or Phillpou

Edit: I'd take Thredgold too

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

GWS trade up 2 spot using a f2nd and launch failed bid on Kyle, then take a player who'd have likely been available anyway:
WCE board - "That's elite shithousery from GWS."

WCE do exactly the same thing with Addinsall(one less spot):
WCE board - "WTF?! Club better explain this! SACK DUMB PUKE!!!!!!!"

FMD some of you need to get a grip.

It's funny when other clubs do dumb things though.

GWS will probably be able to load up on Academy players next year too, so it matters far less to them. Like Gold Coast trading away two top 10 picks for Petracca and still being able to draft two top 5 picks, plus another two first rounders.

We can't afford to waste picks the way they can.

 

[Elite Pete]

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Not a great news breaker so not sure how real it is but not great reading. If it’s true and along with not finding that 6th list spot, Clarkes job has to be in question.

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Dissecting the Eagles-Hawks trade​

The only live trade involving a swap of first round selections came between West Coast and Hawthorn. The Hawks at pick 17 were all too eager to move back a singular spot when presented with pick 18 and a future second-rounder - tied to St Kilda via the Liam Ryan

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deal.

They were keen on Nairn after being overlooked by the Dees, and were confident the Eagles had other targets in mind. Not only did the shift down a spot not impact who they would land, but it gave Mark McKenzie's team another potential top 25 selection in a year where Sam Walsh

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and Zak Butters

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are out of contract and Zach Merrett will again assess his options.

It was significant draft capital for West Coast to dish out; North had paid a future second to move up from 25 to 11 pre-draft. But Duane Massey's team had a plan to stretch Gold Coast's points and land one of their star academy graduates.

A move up the board added to the points burden, and an initial bid on talented wingman Jai Murray set the Eagles up to double down on Beau Addinsall. A quality on-baller who finds the footy at will, Addinsall was considered gettable by rivals heading into the draft. But that was before the Suns orchestrated four separate trades to add to their draft hand at the start of the night.

It meant the Suns could scrounge the points to match the Murray and Addinsall bids in succession, leaving West Coast empty-handed on club-tied talent despite making four bids inside the first 20 picks on night one.

The best kick in the draft was a nice consolation prize, with Falcons captain Josh Lindsay heading west. Duursma, Duff-Tytler and Lindsay is a fantastic haul for the Eagles, but this trade may come back to haunt them in 12 months' time given it was unnecessary to land the classy defender.

As expected, Hawthorn found Nairn still on the board and snapped up the forward-half conduit, who was one of a record seven South Australians taken in the first round.

 

[Shueygod]

If we were on the other side of this deal, and we took a second rounder from another club for a one pick downgrade - how would we feel about the club we just fleeced?
business as usual and hasn't been for some years.

We’ve done this twice the last 5 years.

And fair chance the Hawks had a buyer for that pick for Lindsay, most likely the Cats.

Really is one for the club to explain and put their spin on it

The vision is a bit damning and maybe I’m giving them too much credit but I think it was a calculated risk.

Traded up for Addinsall thinking worse case we’d get a similar offer back for Lindsay (or take him ourselves) if we failed.

Surely no one can be incompetent enough to throw all their eggs in an outside shot at an academy player. Although not impossible given we telegraphed what we were doing.

WB reportedly offered Hawks their pick and a f2 as well, if we didn’t actually want Lindsay we would’ve just done that trade.

 

[Goomba1973]

I thought lindsey was a HBFer?

He is but he has a very high footy IQ , good tank, great vision , good desicion maker and a lethal left foot to go with that ability

 

[Cuzz09]

All I really want at the end of the night tonight is Banfield.

anything else is a bonus imo

 

[bzparkes]

It's funny when other clubs do dumb things though.

GWS will probably be able to load up on Academy players next year too, so it matters far less to them. Like Gold Coast trading away two top 10 picks for Petracca and still being able to draft two top 5 picks, plus another two first rounders.

We can't afford to waste picks the way they can.

Meh.

Not something worth losing sleep over as a fan, IMO. GWS also have never had many, if any, academy players coming through.

Perhaps it was a **** up but with the way we've burned through 2nd rounders on shit picks over the past decade, I'm not overly bothered.

 

[eaglevision]

So after sleeping on it:

26 NM-Thredgold (maybe Ludowyke)
27 WB-NHH
28 CARL-Emmett
29 WCE-Phillipou [or 29,F2 for 40, F1 (STK)]

I’d say Onley, Greeves and possibly Rodriguez and BOB would also be in the discussion too. We need a mid with an inside game.

After our first pick I suspect trading the next pick for a F2 will be the plan but if there still hasn’t been a bid for Williams I’d rather use it. In addition to the above names LeRay and Curtin would also form a group where at least two of them would be available at pick 34. If out kids are bid on after that so be it but still the height of stupidity to **** up the list spot numbers.

 

[swingdog]

Does anyone else prefer Lindsay to the other options, simply because he was captain of a strong footy team with a record of producing good players? Just me?

 

[squashface]

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Not a great news breaker so not sure how real it is but not great reading. If it’s true and along with not finding that 6th list spot, Clarkes job has to be in question.

​

Dissecting the Eagles-Hawks trade​

The only live trade involving a swap of first round selections came between West Coast and Hawthorn. The Hawks at pick 17 were all too eager to move back a singular spot when presented with pick 18 and a future second-rounder - tied to St Kilda via the Liam Ryan deal.

They were keen on Nairn after being overlooked by the Dees, and were confident the Eagles had other targets in mind. Not only did the shift down a spot not impact who they would land, but it gave Mark McKenzie's team another potential top 25 selection in a year where Sam Walsh and Zak Butters are out of contract and Zach Merrett will again assess his options.

It was significant draft capital for West Coast to dish out; North had paid a future second to move up from 25 to 11 pre-draft. But Duane Massey's team had a plan to stretch Gold Coast's points and land one of their star academy graduates.

A move up the board added to the points burden, and an initial bid on talented wingman Jai Murray set the Eagles up to double down on Beau Addinsall. A quality on-baller who finds the footy at will, Addinsall was considered gettable by rivals heading into the draft. But that was before the Suns orchestrated four separate trades to add to their draft hand at the start of the night.

It meant the Suns could scrounge the points to match the Murray and Addinsall bids in succession, leaving West Coast empty-handed on club-tied talent despite making four bids inside the first 20 picks on night one.

The best kick in the draft was a nice consolation prize, with Falcons captain Josh Lindsay heading west. Duursma, Duff-Tytler and Lindsay is a fantastic haul for the Eagles, but this trade may come back to haunt them in 12 months' time given it was unnecessary to land the classy defender.

As expected, Hawthorn found Nairn still on the board and snapped up the forward-half conduit, who was one of a record seven South Australians taken in the first round.

Definitely feels like they weren't aware that GC collected some more points so were able to match without going into deficit.

Hopefully we can finally see the end of the court jester, Matt Clarke.

 

[Snowball81]

NHH or BOB with one of those picks for me.

Who is BOB?
I have completely missed this in the 100s of pages of melts

 

[squashface]

Who is BOB?
I have completely missed this in the 100s of pages of melts

Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier Draft Profile

North Adelaide midfielder Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier is a classy operator with quick feet and penetrative kicking skills.

central.rookieme.com

 

[boondy]

So much for firing across Gold coasts bough .
When we finish bidding and Gold coast still have 2 picks left . They can bid on our NGA or F/S and we wont have a list spot to match bids

 

[eaglevision]

Does anyone else prefer Lindsay to the other options, simply because he was captain of a strong footy team with a record of producing good players? Just me?

Lindsay was the best available IMO. His kicking and vision are the best you’ll see at U18 level and I’ve rated him for a long time.

Question is would we have preferred Lindsay or any of Schubert, Nairn, Marsh, Barker PLUS the Saints F2?

 

[We_The_West]

Phillipou and Curtin with our next 2 picks and take Williams and Evans and Banfield as rookies

Wouldn't mind BOB

 

[Astro7]

It's all snakes and ladders, I'm very happy with what we got - not what could've been or should've been.
Super-Cooper is going to be a big solid unit when he fills out.