List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Bleedblueandgold]

I hope Coulson gets bid on early on day 2.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It's still a pick that probably holds not much, if any, meaningful difference to our overall list strategy.

Not great to throw it away but like I said in an earlier post, we've burned 2nd rounders on shit picks for the better part of a decade now, at least we tried to do something meaningful with it this time.

We have officially reached the "we could have stuffed this up even worse" as a form of praise

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Lets ignore reality and just believe what we want to believe doesnt feel like the path to success.

We make mistakes. We acknowledge them and learn from them... Well we should

Looking forward to your annual day of protest with placards pitchforks and torches at pre season training down at Lathlain Oval

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I do like people have just decided “they got the maths wrong” is the gospel truth.

It’s an overpay to move up one spot, clearly.

But the far more logical ‘they wanted Addinsall or Lindsay and knew they’d end up with neither from 18’ is clearly going to be the case.

Time will tell if the tier drop off was the correct assessment, but I like that some of you have convinced yourself it’s as simple as our team can’t work a calculator and had to scramble to come up with literally anyone else to pick once accidentally on the clock.

 

[Jootube]

I said it was a mistake.

I'm just saying I don't really give a shit that it happened because of all the mistakes the club's made recently, this isn't a particularly massive one.

It's a pick in the 30s next year, where we're likely to get more picks as some players start requesting trades, or explore FA.

Not worth melting over, because the biggest melters over this tend to be the same ones who melted that we didn't 3-peat after '18.

I just struggle with this logic.

"We've wasted most of our recent 2nd rounders so we should do it again!"
"We've made lots of mistakes lately so we shouldnt be upset by another one!"

I want our club to be professional again, not reliant on handouts that we piss against the wall.

garlic munchers said it best, we can't be playing these silly games when we're one of the worst teams in history

 

[bzparkes]

We have officially reached the "we could have stuffed this up even worse" as a form of praise

It's not praise, it's just boring seeing the serial whiners piss and moan in every thread about a relatively minor stuff up in the scheme of things.

Or maybe GC just hid their intentions well, considering is was all but accepted publicly that they wouldn't match?

 

[pantskyle]

I do like people have just decided “they got the maths wrong” is the gospel truth.

It’s an overpay to move up one spot, clearly.

But the far more logical ‘they wanted Addinsall or Lindsay and knew they’d end up with neither from 18’ is clearly going to be the case.

Time will tell if the tier drop off was the correct assessment, but I like that some of you have convinced yourself it’s as simple as our team can’t work a calculator and had to scramble to come up with literally anyone else to pick once accidentally on the clock.

Please accept my info as truth. We didn't expect them to match.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I do like people have just decided “they got the maths wrong” is the gospel truth.

It’s an overpay to move up one spot, clearly.

But the far more logical ‘they wanted Addinsall or Lindsay and knew they’d end up with neither from 18’ is clearly going to be the case.

Time will tell if the tier drop off was the correct assessment, but I like that some of you have convinced yourself it’s as simple as our team can’t work a calculator and had to scramble to come up with literally anyone else to pick once accidentally on the clock.

Its literally what happened though? Assumuing we didnt want Murray and Addinsall is the innuendo here. THe factual elements of it is we wanted both and we didnt get them

 

[bzparkes]

I just struggle with this logic.

"We've wasted most of our recent 2nd rounders so we should do it again!"
"We've made lots of mistakes lately so we shouldnt be upset by another one!"

I want our club to be professional again, not reliant on handouts that we piss against the wall.

garlic munchers said it best, we can't be playing these silly games when we're one of the worst teams in history

Because your understanding of my 'logic' is wrong.

 

[Keys]

If Josh Lindsay rips it up - and all reports are he's a great pick and the best player available - the loss of a Saints F2 would long be forgotten.

Time will tell obviously.

Long forgotten?

On this board?

That’s highly optimistic

My favourite thing is that despite all the money floating around the AFL and the media who cover the AFL, no one can actually track things like points and ability to match in real time and present to the public. IF there was a similar system in the NBA/NFL there would be multitudes of options that would be doing so.

Foxtel replayed the draft as soon as it finished so I had it on on the background as I caught up on all things draft

Wanted to pay attention to the footage around the time we made the trade, lodged our bids and ultimately selected Lindsay

Your comments are spot on. The Foxtel “Experts” had no idea if the Suns had enough points to match. All it needed would have been for someone to look at the live draft order and add up the points for the picks still held by Gold Coast

Very amateur. What’s more, during the coverage, at no point did I see what picks teams gave up when matching bids - no attempt to keep viewers informed whatsoever

 

[garlic munchers]

........................
But Eagles did pretty well with our picks , could have been better , still pretty good with only one list spot left possibly .

F###!

Being a WC supporter for the last few years feels like being the parent who every year gets his kids report card and the teachers keeps rolling out the same old line...... 'solid effort by little Joey, but could do better and is easily distracted by others. I look forward to seeing improvements next year where I will make Matty and Joey sit apart'.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

It’s literally what happened though? Assumuing we didnt want Murray and Addinsall is the innuendo here. THe factual elements of it is we wanted both and we didnt get them

No I think we wanted Addinsall and needed to get up to squeeze GC for points (in which case bid on Patterson earlier) hoping they wouldn’t match, but also decided to get in front as our consolation prize would also be gone if we sat on our hands.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Please accept my info as truth. We didn't expect them to match.

I expect as much. Not saying they did it to not get Addinsall as 1A target.

Saying if they waited they knew they’d end up with neither target.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No I think we wanted Addinsall and needed to get up to squeeze GC for points (in which case bid on Patterson earlier) hoping they wouldn’t match, but also decided to get in front as our consolation prize would also be gone if we sat on our hands.

We sat on our hands when we didnt bid on Paterson. We just gave up a F2nd so they wouldnt go completely numb...

 

[Patron]

If you move Hewett back into the middle where he likely plays long term, Greeves and Poo probably arent as high on the list.

Puts NHH much higher up the list

I also think Allan will be green on this by the second half of the year. Gross will depend on how fit he gets and ho wmuch opportunity he gets

Not against Poo (not keen on Greeves), just things id consider

Yep, think your right there and was unscertain myself. I kinda feel like Allan should be a light green given where he was taken in the draft and how he looked pre, but given Reids performance the pick after i'm a little bitter. I'll up him a category if he looks good in pre-season, he's a step above most of the yellows.

 

[Bradis]

Like others really happy with the selections and if you had of told me three months ago, we would land Duursma, CDT and Lindsay I would have asked what black market deal we did to land that!

I am struggling a touch though to not be frustrated as it just feels like other clubs are better at executing their strategies.

If drafting Beau Addinsall was the key strategy, why did we not bid on Patterson at 3? There is a 345-point difference between 3 and 5 compared to a 75-point difference at 18 and 19. What was the point of bidding on Dean at 3 once Carlton traded out its picks if we were not interested in some form of deal with Essendon?

Also how did Twomey know that this is what we would do? Why did the draft team not lay a false trail that we were targeting someone else at this pick (a last-minute flight and catch up with Harley Barker or Blake Thredgold). Gold Coast knew what was coming and had the time to plan and execute their own strategy to match.

We burned a F2 on a strategy that was poorly executed and failed. As before I really like Lindsay as a pick but nothing about the body language in our draft room says we were not disappointed about failing to land Addinsall.

Some things are hard to predict but it just seems sloppy?


Anyways going to move on and if we can land Evans, Banfield and Williams that is a great balance of players.

If the bid for Williams doesn't land before 29, revisiting some players available, before the draft would have said stay clear of Greeves and Phillipou as I think our game style is driven on pressure and quick turnover. However both have upside in the right system, and we do have a large chunk of defensive pressure players is it worth a stab on some offensive flair? Greeves has great disposal for an inside mid and Phillipou has the agility that we are missing around stoppage.

I still think NHH could be a gem too and him and Evans as attacking HF would a be a nightmare paring plus linking him up with Duursma and Lindsay as Vic Country team mates could be a good fit.

 

[TY24]

We sat on our hands when we didnt bid on Paterson. We just gave up a F2nd so they wouldnt go completely numb...

I don't think we were allowed to bid on Patterson.

Two clubs could've made 3 consecutive bids but didn't. Not one phantom draft predicted any club would, and no one ever suggested it would be done either.

The optics of us placing 3 or 4 consecutive bids would've been very poor for the AFL.

It made so much sense for us to do it that there's only one logical reason why we didn't.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Its fair to say that after both draft and trade period and everything in between we still have a statting midfield that is exactly the same as we had in 2024.......

Thats a giant ass issue

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

The team made an informed choice, and it was their call to make.

Not sure they were informed of Gold Coast's picks trades which ensured they could match bids (unless we bid on their top two talents with Pick 1).

 

[bzparkes]

Its fair to say that after both draft and trade period and everything in between we still have a statting midfield that is exactly the same as we had in 2024.......

Thats a giant ass issue

What's the starting midfield?

 

[squashface]

No I think we wanted Addinsall and needed to get up to squeeze GC for points (in which case bid on Patterson earlier) hoping they wouldn’t match, but also decided to get in front as our consolation prize would also be gone if we sat on our hands.

I don't think Lindsay was even a consideration when we did the trade. Hawks weren't after him they wanted Nairn the whole time.

We paid the premium to stretch GC for points because we didn't think they would match, when they did we had to scramble for another option.

Lindsay is a fantastic pick and I'm glad we got him - but the scenario in which we got him is an egg on face one.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Please accept my info as truth. We didn't expect them to match.

While I’ve got you, because your intel has been good as per usual.

Didn’t think GC would match or didn’t think GC could match?

Huge distinction, interested if that level of detail has been shared.

 

[Keys]

Please accept my info as truth. We didn't expect them to match.

There’s a difference between thinking they wouldn’t match and not knowing they could

No chance we didn’t know they had enough points to match

We might have thought they wouldn’t, but I highly doubt we thought they couldn’t

There did seem to be genuine disappointment when the bid was matched which is understandable as clearly we wanted Addinsall

Using our F2 to move up one spot only makes sense if another club (Bulldogs or Geelong) were also trying to trade with Hawthorn to get ahead of us for Lindsay. If that’s the case, and I suspect it is, then I still don’t particularly like the trade but I can at least understand it

 

[Coasters7]

FWIW Hawks weren't the only club we tried to trade with to move up. Quite a few clubs did not expect GC to match on Addinsall, which includes us. Going to be a hard task for him to make it into that midfield.

Hawks as well? Looks like they got shafted with Lindsay. Expected us to get Addinsall and were willing to bank a F2 to take the player they were going to take anyway

 

[TY24]

Its fair to say that after both draft and trade period and everything in between we still have a statting midfield that is exactly the same as we had in 2024.......

Thats a giant ass issue

Our starting midfield in Round 1 2024 was

Gaff, Yeo, Hunt
B. Williams, Kelly, Reid.

I'll pay to permaban your account if that's how we line up in 2026.