List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[pantskyle]

Thanks.

Do you know if we received any formal offers for pick 1 or 2?

Was the club interested in Sharp?

Who was the attempt to get pick 9 targeting?

I don't believe any formal offers came for 1 and 2, clubs knew the price was high.
Sharp was never an option for us.
Pick 9 was not thought that much about after we knew we weren't a chance at getting it.

 

[CountryLad]

Baffled by the trade up using the Saints f2. It was a sour note on what was otherwise a great draft hand.

 

[bzparkes]

I'm really annoyed that we didn't wait until after the drafts before signing Macrae & Schoenberg. Would've liked the flexibility to sign all the NGA/FS that slipped through the draft. Now we can't draft an extra player without losing access to one of them.

We haven't signed them yet, can't do that until next week.

However we'd have to have made an early commitment to them to get them to actually move to WA, so the club realistically couldn't put them on hold to wait and see.

 

[Astro7]

We sat on our hands when we didnt bid on Paterson. We just gave up a F2nd so they wouldnt go completely numb...

It's done, get over it, that's the nature of trades/draft, win some-lose some, no guarantees. There's 18 clubs, do you think they all cleaned up and only WC are the losers? Is there anything you liked about our picks?
Duursma, CDT and Lindsey so far is a great haul to help build our future on.

Regarding the midfied being exactly the same as last year, check the entirety of our new list, you might be pleasantly surprised? (although given your preference for negativity, I seriously doubt you are pleasantly surprised by anything)

 

[Mead]

For what its worth the espn analysis of the Lindsay pick suggests things went down as most of us suspected with the hawthorn trade.

West coast failed to pay attention to gold coast's draft night trades to get more points so we thought Addinsall was sewn up if we traded the second rounder. And given Hawthorn actually wanted Nairn we put a second round pick in the shredder for absolutely no reason.

If it is a simple as that Clarke should lose his job. At this point noone knows who out of these kids will be worth the picks, but torching a second round pick because you're bad at maths is amateur hour stuff.

 

[jatz14]

It's a garbage form of argument. Its the appeal to authority fallacy.

Then neither he nor you understand. My entire argument is that the experts can be wrong, you can say they are wrong, you can argue they are wrong, but at the end of the day, they are just less likely to be wrong than you are.

This is not arguing to authority. This is arguing to expertise, which is a valid form of argument.

For future reference, the distinction is, in an argument to expertise, you can have countering expert viewpoints, this expert says this, but that expert disagrees. Their opinions can be and are, challenged.

An argument to authority is uchallangable. God told me.
The Orange one, the best and greatest paedo ever, thinks this, so no other opinion counts.

Most times the phrase, Argument to authority is used, it's by some nuffy trying to argue the earth is flat. Vaccines are a hoax etc, and they are trying to diminish expertise.

Expert does not mean Authority.

Sorry, but this is one of my pet hates. Don't do it.

 

[CountryLad]

Sometimes it is more about who you get.

Whilst I was more bullish on Lindsay half way through the carnival, his ineffective midfield time come middle of the year was disappointing. He slid out of my top 8 but was high in the next grouping. Then about a month ago upon further reflection, I saw him as what he is and not what I wanted him to become. He is a great ball distributor and the ball comes out of defence with accuracy and speed. Just what Mini is wanting.

Prior to the Cal insights into the order, I would have been more than happy to add our F3 or the Saints F2 to 13 to grab him. I believe the Doggies also had an offer to the Hawks and hence we had to pay a F2. I also do not know who our fallback would have been at that pick if we stayed put.

I was never as big on Lindsay as some were in here early in the year. End of the day he ended up where his type generally do as a late first early second selection.

He will add something we don’t have a lot of to the squad and that’s as we all know an elite kick. Think it’s a solid pick that complements our defensive setup.
Hopefully the club gets it right tonight and we don’t go handing picks away for no return.

 

[eaglevision]

Worth noting that as Lindsay went top 20, he will also be given a 3 year deal along with CDT and Duursma. Pretty important for retention in my view and keep the Cats away.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Foxtel replayed the draft as soon as it finished so I had it on on the background as I caught up on all things draft

Wanted to pay attention to the footage around the time we made the trade, lodged our bids and ultimately selected Lindsay

Your comments are spot on. The Foxtel “Experts” had no idea if the Suns had enough points to match. All it needed would have been for someone to look at the live draft order and add up the points for the picks still held by Gold Coast

Very amateur. What’s more, during the coverage, at no point did I see what picks teams gave up when matching bids - no attempt to keep viewers informed whatsoever

I'm fairly certain i could talk to one of our excel guys at work and they could pump out a spreadsheet in an hour or two that could automatically track points/bids etc., when imputing trades and picks taken. How hard is to for Foxtel not to have similar.

 

[Astro7]

We're bringing in Robertson, Macrae and Shoenberg. Of those 3, I expect Dev to get a starting centre square role as the inside mid.

Kelly won't play FT mid, that boat sailed last year. Will start HFF and rotate with Hewett. If he doesn't pull his finger out, he probably gets dropped to WAFL like Gaff did.

IMO, something along the lines of:
C: Maric/Duursma, Dev/Graham, Allan/Davis
R: Reid/Flynn, Reid, McCarthy/Hewett

That's 3 new additions to the starting midfield from this year, 4 if Yeo gets over his injury issues.

Add Yeo in either Dev or Harley's spot(with Harley moving to C if Yeo's on ball).

I don't think any kid we bring in this year would have much of a meaningful impact to our midfield setup, as that's what the 3 rookies are being brought in to achieve. I don't think any of the 3 will be starters, or on the list, when we make finals again(maybe Dev) but they don't need to be. They just need to come in and out while the more talented kids develop and take over those roles.

Clearly there's still a ways to go to bring in talent but a lot of what we have on our list we haven't properly seen what they're capable of either. This year, we basically had no mids, next year we at least have some options for various.

Edit: Forgot to mention Clay Hall also in the midfield.

Don't forget Starcevich and Hough can roll through the mid.

 

[bzparkes]

Worth noting that as Lindsay went top 20, he will also be given a 3 year deal along with CDT and Duursma. Pretty important for retention in my view and keep the Cats away.

Co-captain with Duursma for Vic country this year also(along with Dean).

 

[Keys]

I'm really annoyed that we didn't wait until after the drafts before signing Macrae & Schoenberg. Would've liked the flexibility to sign all the NGA/FS that slipped through the draft. Now we can't draft an extra player without losing access to one of them.

We wanted to add some mature aged depth to our list which Macrae and Schoenberg provide.

Having identified them as our preferred targets we needed to ensure we could get them to the club on the rookie list

To do that, we needed to commit to taking them so they didn’t nominate for the draft

We’ve prioritised 3 players in their mid 20’s with some level of upside still over drafting three 18 year olds. That’s in the back end of the draft or rookie draft when our draft already will result in at least 6, probably 7, draftees joining what is already a very young list

You might not agree with the strategy but that’s what the club are attempting to do

Tonight is all about bringing in the best 4 players possible with the picks we have and/or trading to improve our 2026 draft hand

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Nobody said it'll compete for a flag but as we saw even just this year, those young blokes on the list can take it up to better midfields but they ran out of gas towards the end of games

Realistically, presuming #1 pick Duursma fulfils his potential(highly likely) and we pick up Warner at the end of '27(seems somewhat likely at this stage), that's a starting centre combo of Reid, Duursma and Warner. Even without Warner, we just need someone to step up and be a B-grade defensive mid. Could be Dev, Hall, etc. We're not planning for 2026, we're planning for 2028 and beyond.



If we were going to be relying on Ryan and Chesser to be mainstays for the future, then we would be in trouble.

Don't get me wrong, I liked what I saw from Chesser at the end of the season and my preference was to keep him but if it's a choice between say him and McCarthy, I know who I prefer.



You have precisely zero idea what the plan is. We've just taken 2 future mainstays for our midfield at picks 1 & 2 and an elite distributor off HB who allows McCarthy to move into the midfield rotations.

Just as the glass isn't always half full, it isn't always half empty either.

I have zero idea what the plan is because they havnt outlined the plan

Did you really think in July we would have drafted 1 midfielder, 1 Utlity, 1 half back at the same time as trading in a half back all the while losing Liam Ryan and Campbell Chesser?

I guarantee if I go back most thought we would take 3 mids atleast and then not lose Liam Ryan and Campbell Chesser for a combined pick 40 in reality...

 

[bzparkes]

I'm fairly certain i could talk to one of our excel guys at work and they could pump out a spreadsheet in an hour or two that could automatically track points/bids etc., when imputing trades and picks taken. How hard is to for Foxtel not to have similar.

Adds to the drama.

 

[FootyOutlier]

I'm hoping CDT can teach Archer how to kick as a 201cm unit...

Good skills for a big man and can bang them in on the run from 50m

Didnt CDT kick 2.5 on one of his last games, and you want him to teach Archer?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It's done, get over it, that's the nature of trades/draft, win some-lose some, no guarantees. There's 18 clubs, do you think they all cleaned up and only WC are the losers? Is there anything you liked about our picks?
Duursma, CDT and Lindsey so far is a great haul to help build our future on.

Regarding the midfied being exactly the same as last year, check the entirety of our new list, you might be pleasantly surprised? (although given your preference for negativity, I seriously doubt you are pleasantly surprised by anything)

Get over what?

We traded Liam Ryan so our recruitment staff could make a mistake and get away with it

I think we should kinda not get over failure that easy

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Would is the word I had.

I am surprised as well with the Suns prioritising Addinsall and hence matching. No doubt the could have always use Future 2027 picks if they needed to as I expect they will still lose players in 2026 & 2027 hence easily able to replace the picks.

With Flanders unable to get midfield time along with Miller spending more time on a flank, it is going to be a lot of VFL football for Beau.

Oh well, not the first time I have struggled to comprehend the Sun’s drafting strategy

 

[Byron_Clanger]

 

[Coasters7]

Not seeing any melts over the players we actually brought in so that’s nice.

Just melts about everything else…

Trading strategy has been poor the last 2 years but we seem to have lucked out with who we’ve ended up with both years

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

You can bet that if I'm West Coast or Freo I'm making a stink about how the back-to-back premiers and another of last year's preliminary finals qualifiers have essentially unchallenged access to the top talent in their state, and in each of the last two years that state has produced more first round picks than WA, including 3 picks in the top 6 this year and 2 in the top 10 last year before a WA player was selected. So in addition to the worst travel schedule and the geographic disadvantage of attracting top free agents and staff we're also up against in when it comes to the draft.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Keys - if this rear vision bitching continues, can we set up 2 threads? One for the moaning and complaining and one for the forward outlook of day 2

 

[bzparkes]

I have zero idea what the plan is because they havnt outlined the plan

Well of course they won't, otherwise other clubs may get wind that we're interested in their club-tied prospects and accumulate points to match, like you and others have been complaining about since last night.

Did you really think in July we would have drafted 1 midfielder, 1 Utlity, 1 half back at the same time as trading in a half back all the while losing Liam Ryan and Campbell Chesser?

Back in July, I thought we'd pick the 2 best prospects, because that's what you should be doing at the top of the draft.

Liam Ryan isn't a midfielder, he's a part-timer. Shame to lose him, as he was our 2nd highest goal-kicker, but it's not like losing him as a main midfield rotation is going to make a whit of difference considering we only won 1 game this year with him playing a role in there.

Chesser played 3 good games in 4 years. As I said, preference would've been to keep but that could just be sunk-cost fallacy in action. Either way, he did nothing in the 4 years he was on our list(with the caveat he struggled with injury and shithouse development) so at this stage, I don't see him as a major loss.

I guarantee if I go back most thought we would take 3 mids atleast and then not lose Liam Ryan and Campbell Chesser for a combined pick 40 in reality...

Yep and most of those same people wanted to trade out of the top of the draft to do so, all whilst complaining it was a 'weak' draft.

So, imagine passing on the clear 2 best talents in the open pool to pick 3 mids who project as B+ instead, because we shit ourselves and panicked, just to fill a perceived hole that can be done in any number of ways over the next 2 years, as well as discounting players we have just drafted?

It's a purely reactionary thought-process to the most recent of events and would just create an even bigger mess long term.

 

[EagleEgo]

I don't believe any formal offers came for 1 and 2, clubs knew the price was high.
Sharp was never an option for us.
Pick 9 was not thought that much about after we knew we weren't a chance at getting it.

The fact that we have bidded for H Dean so early implies the WCE have made an offer for Carlton's pick 9 (but failed)

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

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Uh oh we drafted a jorts kid #1.

D minus.

 

[Jootube]

One more for the "2nd rounders are worthless and we waste them anyway" crowd.