List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[HoneyBadger35]

Without going through and removing any stray oppo votes, this is how our Pick 2 poll ended.

Sharp well ahead a few weeks ago (voted Sharp at this time as you can see) but over recent weeks CDT surged home.

 

[squashface]

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Without going through and removing any stray oppo votes, this is how our Pick 2 poll ended.

Sharp well ahead a few weeks ago (voted Sharp at this time as you can see) but over recent weeks CDT surged home.

Ultimately CDT is the type of player you just can't pass up at that point in the draft, regardless of list need.

Best available all the way.

 

[Bacchus]

The presumed assumption is that they were getting points to match Coulson and not go into deficit.

Clearly that wasn't the case.

We were completely outsmarted and outflanked again.

Can we recruit some GC recruiters.

They’re sharp.

 

[stallon]

I think it's fairly clear that the club didn't rate the midfielders available where we could pick overly highly. I think that's probably fair.

As i've said multiple times it all comes down to adding a gun mid in next years draft and Warner the next, and hoping that some of those we do have on the list become solid AFL mids who can support Reid, Duursma, 2026 draftee, and Warner, and hopefully at least one of Hewett, McCarthy, etc., makes the jump into the top tier.

I know im just repeating what ive said many times, but if we get Reid, Duursma, a 2026 top draftee, Warner AND one of Hewett/McCarthy/etc to be top tier mids we would have the best midfield the game has ever seen

Just Reid, Duursma, one of Hewett/McCarthy and one of Warner/2026 draftee doing what we expect already has us up there with Brisbane/Bulldogs of the last few years, probably ahead of them

 

[Mulldogg]

10 Victorians, seven South Australians, five Queenslanders, two New South Welshmen and a solitary West Australian taken last night.

Relative to being an Australian Rules heartland state (compared to more populous but rugby dominated states in QLD/NSW) and population (compared to South Australia which has about 1.1 million people less than WA) the parlous state of the WA talent program is laid pretty bare in that first round.

Is the AFL actually going to put their hand in their pocket to support WA grassroots footy? Or will WA Football need to continue to support the whole system in a climate of declining royalties from West Coast and Fremantle?

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Everyone knew they were going to match.

Their late trading actions indicated that apart from the common perceptions of the industry.

Does our professional trading team live in a cave?

The ineptitude just goes on and on.

Everyone knew that they wanted to match but not if they'd be able to. They matched the Murray bid very quickly but then the Addinsall bid was pending for ages, so it clearly wasn't straightforward whether the Suns would be able to match it. It probably was a close call and the extremely opaque handling on how GCS were able to match it is quite frustrating.

That being said, Twomey said very early on in the evening that it would be a close call on whether they'd be able to match, so the Eagles clearly screwed up by not forcing the Suns to use more points to match Uwland and Patterson (in addition to apparently letting everyone and their dog know that they intended to put the points squeeze on the Suns in order to get Addinsall, which resulted in them making last-minute trades to stockpile more points).

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Now with less picks to match bids.

We can always trade our 2027 picks.

 

[Bacchus]

What about a WA mid like Banfield?

That’s too easy and obvious.

Too much overthinking and outsmarting oneself.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

All the people complaining about paying the future second rounder have a short memory.
We have benifited a few times by clubs trading with us the same way.

Just last year they contacted port as, freo and port both wanted the same player.
Port gave us the best offer.

In my opinion, without knowing we rated Lindsay after the 2 GC players and we offered a better deal then the other clubs trying to get the pick from the Hawks.

Some of you have to take a hard look at your priorities in life if you are getting this upset at future second for phuk sake!

 

[bzparkes]

We were completely outsmarted and outflanked again.

Can we recruit some GC recruiters.

They’re sharp.

Well, we tried to get Caruso from GWS before Clarke, so if he got the job we really would be throwing around 2nd rounders like confetti.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Please accept my info as truth. We didn't expect them to match.

Should’ve been obvious after they made the trades they did

 

[bzparkes]

I know im just repeating what ive said many times, but if we get Reid, Duursma, a 2026 top draftee, Warner AND one of Hewett/McCarthy/etc to be top tier mids we would have the best midfield the game has ever seen

Just Reid, Duursma, one of Hewett/McCarthy and one of Warner/2026 draftee doing what we expect already has us up there with Brisbane/Bulldogs of the last few years, probably ahead of them

You forgot this guy:

 

[bzparkes]

We can always trade our 2027 picks.

Even our 2028 ones.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

10 Victorians, seven South Australians, five Queenslanders, two New South Welshmen and a solitary West Australian taken last night.

Relative to being an Australian rules heartland state (compared to more populous but rugby dominated states in QLD/NSW) and population (compared to South Australia which has about 1.1 million people less than WA) the parlous state of the WA talent program is laid pretty bare in that first round.

Is the AFL actually going to put their hand in their pocket to support WA grassroots footy? Or will WA Football need to continue to support the whole system in a climate of declining royalties from West Coast and Fremantle?

Yup.

I also don't buy the idea of capping the number of first round bids at two as a real fix of the problem. That's great, even in a world where this rule exists, the defending champs still get a top 5 level talent in Annable, and a preliminary final team still gets two top 5 picks. Or go back to last year, Brisbane still get Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall and the Suns still get Leo Lombard. Or the year before that, the Suns still get two top 10 picks (Walter and Read). Or the year before that, Brisbane still get Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher.

The fact of the matter is that there's at least as much high-level talent coming out of Queensland as there is from WA, and all of that talent is being given at a discount to two clubs.

 

[VinegarStrokes]

Should’ve been obvious after they made the trades they did

Exactly GC already had enough points for one of Murray or Addinsall so it's pretty obvious the 3/4 other trades they made were for the other one. That should put to bed any notion we thought GC may choose not to match. We may have thought they couldn't match and stuffed up the maths.

Did we make the trade knowing we would get Lindsay if not Addinsall. Maybe however they showed Clarke on the phone multiple times after the Addinsall match and before the Lindsay bid - can't think of any reason except trying to trade the pick back out.

Hard to read it any other way except incompetence, luckily for us there was still a good player in Lindsay on the board.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I don't understand how one club (i.e. Gold Coast), who finished in the top 6, can have enough "points" to match 4 bids in the top 17 of a draft? How does this ridiculous points system work? Is pick 50 and 52 equal to pick 5 or something and they just went around hoovering up a bunch of late picks the other clubs didn't want and that then translated into enough "points" for 4 top 17 players?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Yup.

I also don't buy the idea of capping the number of first round bids at two as a real fix of the problem. That's great, even in a world where this rule exists, the defending champs still get a top 5 level talent in Annable, and a preliminary final team still gets two top 5 picks. Or go back to last year, Brisbane still get Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall and the Suns still get Leo Lombard. Or the year before that, the Suns still get two top 10 picks (Walter and Read). Or the year before that, Brisbane still get Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher.

The fact of the matter is that there's at least as much high-level talent coming out of Queensland as there is from WA, and all of that talent is being given at a discount to two clubs.

But people in WA are going to go to the footy and watch on tv almost regardless of how successful we are.

QLD'ers interest waxes and wanes much more dramatically with how their teams perform.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

I don't think we were allowed to bid on Patterson.

Two clubs could've made 3 consecutive bids but didn't. Not one phantom draft predicted any club would, and no one ever suggested it would be done either.

The optics of us placing 3 or 4 consecutive bids would've been very poor for the AFL.

It made so much sense for us to do it that there's only one logical reason why we didn't.

It sounds like a conspiracy theory but also it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was a hidden rule. Three times last night there was back to back bids, we've seen back to back bids before this year as well, but looking back through the draft history, I can't find a single example of back to back to back - happy to be corrected if I've missed one of course. Would be just like the afl to put a bullshit restriction on to help the optics rather than fixing the core ****ing problem.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

All the people complaining about paying the future second rounder have a short memory.
We have benifited a few times by clubs trading with us the same way.

Just last year they contacted port as, freo and port both wanted the same player.
Port gave us the best offer.

In my opinion, without knowing we rated Lindsay after the 2 GC players and we offered a better deal then the other clubs trying to get the pick from the Hawks.

Some of you have to take a hard look at your priorities in life if you are getting this upset at future second for phuk sake!

I care a lot less about the second round pick than I do about the incoherent process that resulted in them not getting the player they intended to get.

 

[Bacchus]

Everyone knew that they wanted to match but not if they'd be able to. They matched the Murray bid very quickly but then the Addinsall bid was pending for ages, so it clearly wasn't straightforward whether the Suns would be able to match it. It probably was a close call and the extremely opaque handling on how GCS were able to match it is quite frustrating.

That being said, Twomey said very early on in the evening that it would be a close call on whether they'd be able to match, so the Eagles clearly screwed up by not forcing the Suns to use more points to match Uwland and Patterson (in addition to apparently letting everyone and their dog know that they intended to put the points squeeze on the Suns in order to get Addinsall, which resulted in them making last-minute trades to stockpile more points).

Doesn’t seem to matter whether you have the points or not. You can just go into deficit.

The system is a joke but the smart clubs are able to play it to their advantage whereas the dumb ones just fumble around and get out manoeuvred every time, and as a consequence, remain at or near the bottom of the table.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I don't understand how one club (i.e. Gold Coast), who finished in the top 6, can have enough "points" to match 4 bids in the top 17 of a draft? How does this ridiculous points system work? Is pick 50 and 52 equal to pick 5 or something and they just went around hoovering up a bunch of late picks the other clubs didn't want and that then translated into enough "points" for 4 top 17 players?

GC did also start with having Ports first, Pies first (from Houston, Lukosius, Richards, Atkins and Noble trades), and traded out Flanders for a first, and their own. So that's four firsts, which they gave two to Melbourne. They also got back two picks in the 20's from Melbourne.

Also traded out Ainsworth, Budarick, Rosas, Fiorini for picks.

Not saying the system works, but they loaded up on points for this draft.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

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This is the best i could come up with on how Gold Coast matched the bids.

How do they still have picks 48 & 49?

 

[Coasters7]

For what its worth the espn analysis of the Lindsay pick suggests things went down as most of us suspected with the hawthorn trade.

West coast failed to pay attention to gold coast's draft night trades to get more points so we thought Addinsall was sewn up if we traded the second rounder. And given Hawthorn actually wanted Nairn we put a second round pick in the shredder for absolutely no reason.

If it is a simple as that Clarke should lose his job. At this point noone knows who out of these kids will be worth the picks, but torching a second round pick because you're bad at maths is amateur hour stuff.

Nah I reckon Hawks f*cked it too. Seemed consensus that we’d get Addinsall and they’d have taken Lindsay next.

Given there were other offers for that pick I think we hedged our bets so we had a contingency if GC matched.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

I don't think we were allowed to bid on Patterson.

Two clubs could've made 3 consecutive bids but didn't. Not one phantom draft predicted any club would, and no one ever suggested it would be done either.

The optics of us placing 3 or 4 consecutive bids would've been very poor for the AFL.

It made so much sense for us to do it that there's only one logical reason why we didn't.

What about the optics of the back to back premiers and a rising preliminary finalist hoarding a bunch of elite prospects in the top half of the first round? Or the second-worst team from last year ending up with their first pick at #7?

I can't imagine that having one club lodge three bids in a row is any worse than the draft going bid, bid, pick, bid, bid.

 

[Jootube]

Isn't it absolutely insane that Gold Coast have the reigning Brownlow medalist and just played in a semi final, traded in Petracca, drafted 2 x top 5 players, and 2 more 1st rounders.

Surely they gutted their list or sold the farm to achieve this right?

Nope, Sam Flanders and 2026 1st.