Test The Ashes First Test November 21-25 1300hrs @ Perth Stadium

[Topkent]

Another crap decision is picking Lyon over Webster. Spin bowling gonna be irrelevant in this match and an extra 40-50 runs could be the difference. England selection was braver than ours again.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Whoever we bring in it's all just shuffling deck chairs

No one in the domestic scene can save this batting

Renshaw for Ussie would be the only change and even he's not some brilliant batsman

He's at least got an ability to dig in which is what we need. Think the most accomplished of the openers outside the test team. Sure not a star but we need a transitional opener to carry this team through till we get the next round of batters that are there for the long term.

 

[SC_Power]

When does Travis start coming under some pressure

Pressure?

Last 12 months, hardly our most pressing issue

 

[Pistol Night]

Lets wait and see what they dish up in their second dig before we declare the Ashes lost

 

[Borisdog]

Lets wait and see what they dish up in their second dig before we declare the Ashes lost

For sure, but Jeez there's some improvement needed. And it really isn't a surprise.

 

[western royboy]

Moved past him for who though?

Focus on "Talent Pathways"???

Talent pathways have been around for years and years and years and years....its called Premier cricket in each state/territory, followed by the national underage championships, then 2nd XI state cricket followed by First-Class cricket.

The problem I think is T20 cricket. Play enough of it (T20) and it becomes muscle memory - see ball....hit ball. Lots of batters don't want to put a price on their wicket.

In terms of preperation: I remember in the golden era of Australian cricket (1990s/early to mid 2000s)....visiting teams to Australia would play a state team. It was a tour natch but still a First-Class match. It provided a few positives:

1. Visiting team played against a quality state team.

2. State team playing against an international team.

3. Good warm up for visiting team.....red ball cricket.

These types of games don't happen anymore and its a shame. A terrible shame. Same with Australia when playing overseas - they would play against a state/county team....a tour match (First-Class match), red ball cricket.

You’re closer to it than you think

The players entering Premier Cricket now are all talented athletes but they are all the same type. Every Dowling Shield side only has one type of batsman. Ones that can score quickly…that’s it.

Premier Cricket has been gutted with all of the hard heads out playing for $$ in other competitions, it’s virtually a glorified Under 25 comp. There is no hard edge to it.

Firs a class virtually the same. Yep they’ve got talent but only one type of batsman and soft as butter.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

So channel that form then and look to score.

I stead he went into survival mode again which is what he looked like up until his domestic form this year. Played with a much more offensive mindset too scored his hundreds at a good clip. Channel that mindset into these bowlers. Attack when they go short and unload on anything over pitched.

 

[StillAtLarge]

Lets wait and see what they dish up in their second dig before we declare the Ashes lost

Ashes isn't lost but this test certainly is

 

[Borisdog]

No rush but runs were hard to come by due to the life of the pitch and the Pommie bowlers putting us under pressure with their relentless pace ambush in those first 25 overs. The ECB did their homework by picking an all pace attack. I reckon only Alex Carey and Travis Head, he a touch unlucky, gave away their wickets. Carey tho had a brain fog as had he forgotten that the deep third man had been placed specifically for the uppercut. And he had been batting beautifully before that. Fair to say a crafty Stokes played him like a fiddle.

Yeah, well we'll have to disagree on who threw their wickets away. I'll say Head, Green, Carey and Starc. But it's not Starc's primary job to make runs.

The all pace attack has never been a secret. It's the QUALITY that makes the difference. The Poms bowled beautifully, we got a lesson on how to bowl. We were erratic with the ball, even before they started slogging.

 

[JimmyBC]

Pressure?

Last 12 months, hardly our most pressing issue

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He's not under pressure because what else is there? you have to admit he's all duck no dinner though there's very little nuance to his game, in stronger batting eras he would come under scrutiny.

 

[Gough]

He's not under pressure because what else is there? you have to admit he's all duck no dinner though there's very little nuance to his game, in stronger batting eras he would come under scrutiny.

That could sum up most of our batsmen, all fur coat, no knickers.

 

[Jamurp]

Thought it was a pretty bloody entertaining first day of a series despite the absolute shambles from both sides.

Not ‘good’ test cricket, but England are fun to watch bat, and some seriously quality pace bowling from both sides, especially Starc and Archer.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Bingo.

You get one bowler going at 145k + & everyone loses their marbles.

This England side has 4.

Aussies copped some serious heat today, & they weren’t ready for it.

2 were consistently at 145 plus. Carse and Atkinson are your regular pace bowlers with the odd bowl sent down at 140 odd. Carse has bounce though because of his height which makes him difficult to handle. Atkinson I thought was equally as good as the others. Monotonous line every over.

 

[BarryMorgan]

Just pick young blokes and stick with them for a while.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Should have opened with Mitch Marsh, even 6 beers deep he probably would've batted better than the rest of the Aussie line up.

Mark Wood said he is the Aussie batsman he most fears bowling to.

Think having a suspect technique has worked for Bazball so maybe we fight fire with fire and have an attacking brute just take it to them from the start. Pump anything not good line or length. Keep Weathereld and have Marsh with him. Have Green at number 3, Smith 4 and Head, Webster next. It's a short term solution because of respective ages of the top 6 but it will keep us competitive until we find a permanent solution.

 

[revo333]

I liked the Weatherald selection but that dismissal looked like he’d never faced someone that quick in his life. They will charge in at him like there’s no tomorrow all series

Not many people run in like they bowl 135 and end up being around 145.

According to 'Wrist Snap' or whatever that new measurement is Archer has the highest of any bowler in test cricket so facing him for the first time would take more than a few deliveries to get used to.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

There needs to be a proper inquisition to this rabble of an Aust side..

Absolutely 0 planning and forethought on preparing an Ashes team, we've just picked tired blokes on reputation, who's best mates with who and who thinks they are still good enough.

Where have been the batsmen 2-3 years out putting proper claims in to get a spot.

Where are the young tear-away quicks coming through so we dont have to rely on plodders like a 35yo Boland and Dogget?

Why did we play Nafan Lyon? the guy is totally past it and offers nothing.

Just a total shit show, Aust cricket team on the pathway to being the Wallabies, total laughing stock.

 

[sr36]

Lets wait and see what they dish up in their second dig before we declare the Ashes lost

So far, it's a replica of the start to the India series.

 

[JimmyBC]

Just pick young blokes and stick with them for a while.

No one has patience or seems to like blooding at national level in this country, so we'll be debuting 30 plus year olds forever.

 

[cats_09]

Khawaja played 18 holes day before Day 1? Is that true ?

Played and won a golf tournament

 

[Cataholic]

There needs to be a proper inquisition to this rabble of an Aust side..

Absolutely 0 planning and forethought on preparing an Ashes team, we've just picked tired blokes on reputation, who's best mates with who and who thinks they are still good enough.

Where have been the batsmen 2-3 years out putting proper claims in to get a spot.

Where are the young tear-away quicks coming through so we dont have to rely on plodders like a 35yo Boland and Dogget?

Why did we play Nafan Lyon? the guy is totally past it and offers nothing.

Just a total shit show, Aust cricket team on the pathway to being the Wallabies, total laughing stock.

Our young, tearaway quicks are all injured.

 

[Cataholic]

Played and won a golf tournament

One hell of a coincidence with an ageing body then.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Head hasn't been able to buy a run in a year. Green had Carey with him and a half hour to get through to stumps. Knowing we were into a soft tail he had a huge swing at one.

The runs did not matter at that stage.

Carey played a dumb shot but he was down to Lyon and friends. A calculated risk to try and add a quick 20-30 and get back to touching distance. He stuffed up but it was in context at least.

The problem for me with letting Carey off the hook with "a calculated risk" is that we have constantly relied on Lyon, Cummins and Starc to make valuable runs at the end of our innings, or at least dig in for an extended period and form a partnership with a more recognised batting partner. Lyon is a noted nightwatchman. The play with about three overs to go was surely to just survive the day.

 

[Borisdog]

We've got to really fight hard in our second dig, to at least try to put some miles into Archer and Wood.

If they're only gunna bowl a handful of overs each innings then they're only gunna need to play 3 tests.

That'll be the first 3.

 

[BarryMorgan]

We've got to really fight hard in our second dig, to at least try to put some miles into Archer and Wood.

If they're only gunna bowl a handful of overs each innings then they're only gunna need to play 3 tests.

That'll be the first 3.

Based on yesterday, doesn’t seem like anyone’s up to fighting hard.