Have Richmond passed North and west coast

[the big lebowski]

Just give it a few years baby we need some truffle sniffing time. Difference is we find them, and when we rise free agents will want to play with us.

In a few years time, we’ll be better, you’ll be worse

A lot of key players for the tigers won’t be running around in 3 years

 

[kanga kanga kanga]

We beat you by 50 points with our two leading goal kickers not playing.

Not to mention one of our players had 54 and there “more mature ran club” decided not to tag him

 

[the big lebowski]

Not to mention one of our players had 54 and there “more mature ran club” decided not to tag him

Plus Cooper 3 goals a game Trembath

 

[Chip Scab1]

That was 21 years ago. By your logic up until not long ago Kangaroos were winning flags

In my life (43 years) you being good is an exception.

I thankfully was o/s when it occurred so it didn't really happen.

 

[garlic munchers]

West Coast fans right now watching this thread with North and Richmond going at it.

Nothing like watching minnows fairy punch each other, whilst a proper big club quietly goes about re-building after its first decent bottoming out after 30 years.

 

[Chip Scab1]

This was a weaker draft than last year, Willem Duursma wouldn't have gone number 1 last year, Cal Twomey even said if "Harvey Langford" was in this draft he'd go number 1.

I'm aware.

I keep hearing about this Murphy. He'd have to be good to be better than FOS.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Gotta laugh at the North fans. Richmond is much more mature well run club that has outclassed them in their rebuild debatably. To even have a debate is laughable with the amount of bottom finishes.

Agree entirely. However your rebuild hasn't really started yet.

You have a few kids, much worse than the Premier. 5-7 years to go if you get it really right in compromised drafts.

I'm not against Richmond at all, they're good Football people, just not a good time to rebuild. Everyone not named Tasmania, willl struggle.

 

[Grin]

Agree entirely. However your rebuild hasn't really started yet.

You have a few kids, much worse than the Premier. 5-7 years to go if you get it really right in compromised drafts.

I'm not against Richmond at all, they're good Football people, just not a good time to rebuild. Everyone not named Tasmania, willl struggle.

Rebuild's almost done. Just need to wait for the development of all the young A graders on our list (fast tracked by the experienced premiership players we've retained) and a couple of strategic free agents over the next couple of years. We'll be well into our next dynasty by the end of the decade

I feel very sad for North because they're a great mob but they'll be lucky to survive the decade

 

[Chip Scab1]

Rebuild's almost done. Just need to wait for the development of all the young A graders on our list (fast tracked by the experienced premiership players we've retained) and a couple of strategic free agents over the next couple of years. We'll be well into our next dynasty by the end of the decade

I feel very sad for North because they're a great mob but they'll be lucky to survive the decade

One way of looking at it. Another would be to say Norf is the fastest growing team (in terms of membership) alllll whilst being the most unwatchable team in history. If we're ever good again, who knows, we might be able to get 25,000-30,0000 fans to a ground.

2012 we got ~27,000 to a Freo game at the dome, that's where we need to be to feel safe.

 

[hoffseason gains 01]

Rebuild's almost done. Just need to wait for the development of all the young A graders on our list (fast tracked by the experienced premiership players we've retained) and a couple of strategic free agents over the next couple of years. We'll be well into our next dynasty by the end of the decade

I feel very sad for North because they're a great mob but they'll be lucky to survive the decade

There is a big chance that is not the case. As of right now none of your draftees in the last 2 years have even played a season in the midfield. You really just don’t know if someone is an A grader until they are. In 3 years most of those draftees will be 21/22 and not near their prime, while most of the older players will have been gone and will need to be replaced in the team. Richmond’s 24-27 year old bracket would have to be one of the worst in the league currently. Then there is Tassie to come in which throws another spanner in the works. Quite literally everything would have to go right for Richmond to be properly competing for a flag within the next 5 years.

 

[Grin]

There is a big chance that is not the case. As of right now none of your draftees in the last 2 years have even played a season in the midfield. You really just don’t know if someone is an A grader until they are. In 3 years most of those draftees will be 21/22 and not near their prime, while most of the older players will have been gone and will need to be replaced in the team. Richmond’s 24-27 year old bracket would have to be one of the worst in the league currently. Then there is Tassie to come in which throws another spanner in the works. Quite literally everything would have to go right for Richmond to be properly competing for a flag within the next 5 years.

Reasonable points, but you're forgetting that Richmond has recruited about 10 high end draft picks in a little over a year. Never been done before by an established team. These recruits are supported by experienced premiership players (something that didn't happen with Gold Coast and GWS, and isn't happening at North). A couple of free agents and canny trades in the next couple of years should address any gaps. Although I do agree that it's unlikely that Richmond will take out the 2027 premiership, which is a pity because it would be the 60th anniversary of our 1967 Premiership, and the 10 year anniversary of our 2017 Premiership, and the 50th anniversary of our 1977 McClelland Trophy.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Reasonable points, but you're forgetting that Richmond has recruited about 10 high end draft picks in a little over a year. Never been done before by an established team. These recruits are supported by experienced premiership players (something that didn't happen with Gold Coast and GWS, and isn't happening at North). A couple of free agents and canny trades in the next couple of years should address any gaps. Although I do agree that it's unlikely that Richmond will take out the 2027 premiership, which is a pity because it would be the 60th anniversary of our 1967 Premiership, and the 10 year anniversary of our 2017 Premiership, and the 50th anniversary of our 1977 McClelland Trophy.

Not quite sure why 10 high draft picks in two years is any greater predictor of future success than 10 over five, especially given all your veterans will be long retired before you’re making finals again, but you do you champ.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Reasonable points, but you're forgetting that Richmond has recruited about 10 high end draft picks in a little over a year. Never been done before by an established team. These recruits are supported by experienced premiership players (something that didn't happen with Gold Coast and GWS, and isn't happening at North). A couple of free agents and canny trades in the next couple of years should address any gaps. Although I do agree that it's unlikely that Richmond will take out the 2027 premiership, which is a pity because it would be the 60th anniversary of our 1967 Premiership, and the 10 year anniversary of our 2017 Premiership, and the 50th anniversary of our 1977 McClelland Trophy.

lol McLelland Trophy is a wonderful inclusion in this thread. Gold star for you.

 

[Grin]

Not quite sure why 10 high draft picks in two years is any greater predictor of future success than 10 over five, especially given all your veterans will be long retired before you’re making finals again, but you do you champ.

Thanks for the emotional support son

 

[Grin]

lol McLelland Trophy is a wonderful inclusion in this thread. Gold star for you.

Thanks bro. The mighty Tigers famously won both reserves and under 19 premierships in 1977

If we were little Geelong we'd be lobbying for them to be included in our AFL tally. Serious topic that probably deserves its own thread.

 

[JZTIME!]

Reasonable points, but you're forgetting that Richmond has recruited about 10 high end draft picks in a little over a year. Never been done before by an established team. These recruits are supported by experienced premiership players (something that didn't happen with Gold Coast and GWS, and isn't happening at North). A couple of free agents and canny trades in the next couple of years should address any gaps. Although I do agree that it's unlikely that Richmond will take out the 2027 premiership, which is a pity because it would be the 60th anniversary of our 1967 Premiership, and the 10 year anniversary of our 2017 Premiership, and the 50th anniversary of our 1977 McClelland Trophy.

I believe Parker, Darling and Spargo are premiership players. Mcdonald played multiple prelims and finals series, Daniel the same.
I like the tigers recruiting, like us its the young talls we need to develop quicker to become competitive sooner rather than later.

 

[Obeanie1]

That was 21 years ago. By your logic up until not long ago Kangaroos were winning flags

BS 21 yrs ago.

It was the year before winning that 1st flag. Richmond were crap, players getting spat on by Tigers supporters and Hardwick almost sacked. Delidio was traded to GWS and there was a big shake up. Then it all clicked basically with everyone on their last chance.

 

[SnakeMan86]

BS 21 yrs ago.

It was the year before winning that 1st flag. Richmond were crap, players getting spat on by Tigers supporters and Hardwick almost sacked. Delidio was traded to GWS and there was a big shake up. Then it all clicked basically with everyone on their last chance.

No fans were spitting on players in 2016, that shit happened in 2005.
Your just making shit up.

 

[Obeanie1]

Not quite sure why 10 high draft picks in two years is any greater predictor of future success than 10 over five, especially given all your veterans will be long retired before you’re making finals again, but you do you champ.

Tigers fans will eventually get it.

10 decent picks in one draft helps but it isnt starting and ending a rebuild in one year. How many guns come out of one draft? You need to nail every single pick for that to work.

Smillie hasnt debuted, now in for surgery on his quad.

Lalor with recurrrng hamstring injuries.

Thats the top two picks from that dratt.

Looks like Shanahan was the better KP forward.

Gibcus and Hotton both coming off acls.

So no, it isnt going perfectly for them.......it rarely does for any team. One eyed Tigers fans will work it out eventually.

 

[garlic munchers]

No fans were spitting on players in 2016, that shit happened in 2005.
Your just making sphit up.

EFA

 

[Football Tragic]

Tigers fans will eventually get it.

10 decent picks in one draft helps but it isnt starting and ending a rebuild in one year. How many guns come out of one draft? You need to nail every single pick for that to work.

Smillie hasnt debuted, now in for surgery on his quad.

Lalor with recurrrng hamstring injuries.

Thats the top two picks from that dratt.

Looks like Shanahan was the better KP forward.

Gibcus and Hotton both coming off acls.

So no, it isnt going perfectly for them.......it rarely does for any team. One eyed Tigers fans will work it out eventually.

Your correct that not all draftees will make it but, statistically, first round draft picks have a much greater chance of performing over a long career than players taken later in the draft. Richmond haven't just relied upon one draft. We won't suddenly stop recruiting and trading. List can't be built in one year - even GWS/GC/Tas had to recruit/trade over multiple years.

Last year and this, Richmond propelled and fast tracked its rebuild by choosing 8 first round draft picks. Couple that will multiple early seconds and that is a massive shot in the arm of any regenerating side. The cupboards not bare either with younger existing players either and older quality mentors that will help protect, educate and guide the younger recruits. All of this means a far quicker rebuild than what would historically be expected.

Not all the players will come on but that is when we can trade or draft in replacements. We don't have all the ingredients yet but the cake is already cooking and rising well - we just need the icing.

 

[Obeanie1]

Your correct that not all draftees will make it but, statistically, first round draft picks have a much greater chance of performing over a long career than players taken later in the draft. Richmond haven't just relied upon one draft. We won't suddenly stop recruiting and trading. List can't be built in one year - even GWS/GC/Tas had to recruit/trade over multiple years.

Last year and this, Richmond propelled and fast tracked its rebuild by choosing 8 first round draft picks. Couple that will multiple early seconds and that is a massive shot in the arm of any regenerating side. The cupboards not bare either with younger existing players either and older quality mentors that will help protect, educate and guide the younger recruits. All of this means a far quicker rebuild than what would historically be expected.

Not all the players will come on but that is when we can trade or draft in replacements. We don't have all the ingredients yet but the cake is already cooking and rising well - we just need the icing.

If you just need icing then the rebuild is done.

It isn't. Lots of promising kids does not equal rebuild done and only need to 'ice the cake'.

If that is the case then the Tigers have bucked history and totally nailed it. Have achieved the perfect rebuild.

Hats off to them if that's the case.

 

[Makeshift Park]

We don't have all the ingredients yet but the cake is already cooking and rising well - we just need the icing.

It sounds to me like you've bought some fancy ingredients but its yet to be shown whether anyone at Punt Rd can actually bake.

 

[SleepingGiant]

Tigers fans will eventually get it.

10 decent picks in one draft helps but it isnt starting and ending a rebuild in one year. How many guns come out of one draft? You need to nail every single pick for that to work.

Smillie hasnt debuted, now in for surgery on his quad.

Lalor with recurrrng hamstring injuries.

Thats the top two picks from that dratt.

Looks like Shanahan was the better KP forward.

Gibcus and Hotton both coming off acls.

So no, it isnt going perfectly for them.......it rarely does for any team. One eyed Tigers fans will work it out eventually.

We also have our 2021 crop and a couple from the 24+ year olds that will still be hanging around. We also just drafted two potential A grade midfielders. The truth is in between the extremes, we are not 'just starting', we are not 'rebuild complete' either. We need the young guys to come on (who despite injury issues lets be honest, they have shown a lot in their first year), another 2 years of development into them, and then we will have all the cap space in the world to moneyball and attract free agents. I would say based on what I have seen we are very well placed to do that in 2028 and fire right back up the ladder from 2029 onwards. I also would say Tassie is not that much of an issue for us given free have front loaded our draft pick intake and have another draft this year to rip into. It's more of an issue for teams like Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, StKilda, etc in my opinion.

 

[Football Tragic]

It sounds to me like you've bought some fancy ingredients but its yet to be shown whether anyone at Punt Rd can actually bake.

Our kitchen's last efforts won us three best cake awards and this new chief could be making the best cake ever with even better ingredients. Proofs in the tasting of course