News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Miller1971]

thr AFL don't fund the northern academies, the clubs do.

both the Suns and Lions (and likely most of the QAFL clubs) would prefer that the Academy teams play a full season in the CTL, and the reason they don't is because the northern academies are not only responsible for flying their academy teams to Vic to play against CTL teams, they also pay the bill to get the CTL teams up here to take on the academies.

The budget to have them play a full season of CTL isn't feasible unless the AFL fund it, and they obviously don't want to.

 

[Elixuh]

thr AFL don't fund the northern academies, the clubs do.

both the Suns and Lions (and likely most of the QAFL clubs) would prefer that the Academy teams play a full season in the CTL, and the reason they don't is because the northern academies are not only responsible for flying their academy teams to Vic to play against CTL teams, they also pay the bill to get the CTL teams up here to take on the academies.

The budget to have them play a full season of CTL isn't feasible unless the AFL fund it, and they obviously don't want to.

Mat Mann Bunk Moreland

 

[hr_23]

First round of the draft needs to be a lockout,
If you have a FS, academy or NGA you need to stump up to get them with a slight discount if your kid is #1 rated you need to be able to match with a pick within 3 selections
18 picks only 19 when Tas comes in
no first round FA compo picks they start in the 2nd round
bid matching can start in the second round

 

[Mat Mann]

Mat Mann Bunk Moreland

Not sure why you're tagging me, but I'll give my 2c

It's as it should be

The U18 comp is a Vic League, same as the VFL. They've been bastardised to satisfy clubs outside of vic, They didn't want to join the SANFL or WAFL, they just expect the AFL to fund everything and screw football in Vic.

The AFL should not have as much control over footy in Vic, a legacy of the pre-AFL admin. Still, they have screwed footy's structure here in Vic, What was once a proud and strong league is a shadow of what it once was, and the northern clubs feel it's their right to destroy it further and expect someone else to pay for it. It is appalling that 100-year-old clubs are being booted to the wayside to make way.

"Oh but we have to pay" heck me, footy is a shambles here, country footy has never been so badly run, they just restricted the U18 kids' access to facilities and coaches.

btw, why is that the QLD clubs get $5m annually more than the rest of the comp?

 

[Elixuh]

Not sure why you're tagging me, but I'll give my 2c

It's as it should be

The U18 comp is a Vic League, same as the VFL. They've been bastardised to satisfy clubs outside of vic, They didn't want to join the SANFL or WAFL, they just expect the AFL to fund everything and screw football in Vic.

The AFL should not have as much control over footy in Vic, a legacy of the pre-AFL admin. Still, they have screwed footy's structure here in Vic, What was once a proud and strong league is a shadow of what it once was, and the northern clubs feel it's their right to destroy it further and expect someone else to pay for it. It is appalling that 100-year-old clubs are being booted to the wayside to make way.

"Oh but we have to pay" heck me, footy is a shambles here, country footy has never been so badly run, they just restricted the U18 kids' access to facilities and coaches.

btw, why is that the QLD clubs get $5m annually more than the rest of the comp?

We got $4m more than Norf and St Kilda. Included in that money are disbursements for travel and prize money.

Seeing as though we travel far more than the VFL clubs and far greater distances + the fact that we won the flag etc (prize money) + I’m not sure whether this is common knowledge but Gabba rental is astronomical…I don’t think we got much more than some VFL clubs?

 

[briztoon]

We got $4m more than Norf and St Kilda. Included in that money are disbursements for travel and prize money.

Seeing as though we travel far more than the VFL clubs and far greater distances + the fact that we won the flag etc (prize money) + I’m not sure whether this is common knowledge but Gabba rental is astronomical…I don’t think we got much more than some VFL clubs?

I know back in 2021, it was $1m per game rent to Stadiums QLD. It hasn't gone down since.

 

[Dogflogger]

Who would have thought this would become such a headache for everyone? We have only been complaining about father sons for 20+ years now and the academy since its inception, Who could have foreseen these problems?? I guess our children will be happy when its all sorted out by the 2050 season.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Not sure why you're tagging me, but I'll give my 2c

It's as it should be

The U18 comp is a Vic League, same as the VFL. They've been bastardised to satisfy clubs outside of vic, They didn't want to join the SANFL or WAFL, they just expect the AFL to fund everything and screw football in Vic.

A Vic crying poor is quite something.

What was once a proud and strong league is a shadow of what it once was, and the northern clubs feel it's their right to destroy it further and expect someone else to pay for it. It is appalling that 100-year-old clubs are being booted to the wayside to make way.

Pride doesn't pay the bills. The Bullants had been shithouse for a long time, they were poorly run and also expecting someone else to pay for it. No one did, so here we are.

"Oh but we have to pay" heck me, footy is a shambles here, country footy has never been so badly run, they just restricted the U18 kids' access to facilities and coaches.

btw, why is that the QLD clubs get $5m annually more than the rest of the comp?

Because we're growing the game in a market where rugby league is the dominant game. We can't all be like St Kilda, growing nothing, stagnating for decades and failing at every secondary market they take games to.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

Cal noted 3 things about future bid matching on gettable today:

• only matching with 2 picks (already well documented)
• will be able to go into deficit
• 10% discount to be removed.

 

[Mat Mann]

‘We’re gRowInG the gAMe”.

FMD. If only stkilda got 1/2 of the handouts others got

 

[marcmurphy3]

Cal noted 3 things about future bid matching on gettable today:

• only matching with 2 picks (already well documented)
• will be able to go into deficit
• 10% discount to be removed.

Also closing the loophole with regards to having more picks then list spots when draft opens. But nobody would old use that with a 2 pick limit anyway.

Although interesting what they do with 2027 draft both for bid matching and deficit. Everyone's natural selections will get pushed down a heap and be worth far less points which isn't really fair.

 

[Jirik13]

‘We’re gRowInG the gAMe”.

FMD. If only stkilda got 1/2 of the handouts others got

Only GWS, Suns, Lions, North got higher AFL distributions in 2024. So you did pretty well considering you are not expansion team or located in NRL/growth market.

If only teams like Freo would get St. Kilda's AFL distribution

 

[Elixuh]

‘We’re gRowInG the gAMe”.

FMD. If only stkilda got 1/2 of the handouts others got

Poor old Mat Mann. We rebuffed his FALSE FAKE NEWS distributions narrative with FACTS and now he’s resorted to this. It’s sad to see it really is.

 

[Elixuh]

Who would have thought this would become such a headache for everyone? We have only been complaining about father sons for 20+ years now and the academy since its inception, Who could have foreseen these problems?? I guess our children will be happy when its all sorted out by the 2050 season.

Hello Mr Dogflogger, good to hear from you.

 

[Jirik13]

Also closing the loophole with regards to having more picks then list spots when draft opens. But nobody would old use that with a 2 pick limit anyway.

Although interesting what they do with 2027 draft both for bid matching and deficit. Everyone's natural selections will get pushed down a heap and be worth far less points which isn't really fair.

I am most curious about deficit allowed. How will it work? Will there a deficit cap?

Let's say bid comes at pick 1 and the club has only pick 15 to match. All picks in the following 1-2 years can used to cover deficit (or only one pick)?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I am most curious about deficit allowed. How will it work? Will there a deficit cap?

Let's say bid comes at pick 1 and the club has only pick 15 to match. All picks in the following 1-2 years can used to cover deficit (or only one pick)?

I imagine it’s carries a large tax on a much lower deficit

 

[marcmurphy3]

I am most curious about deficit allowed. How will it work? Will there a deficit cap?

Let's say bid comes at pick 1 and the club has only pick 15 to match. All picks in the following 1-2 years can used to cover deficit (or only one pick)?

Before the most recent changes you were allowed a 1723 points deficit, which is the points for a full hand of picks. Was lowered to 1167 this year due to DVI changes. Imagine it stays at that or becomes 836. Points for pick 18, if they only want to allow one pick sliding.

But none of these deficit rules have really been tested before. Will be interesting.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I imagine it’s carries a large tax on a much lower deficit

I dont think they will tax it. What would that even mean?

They will just pick a points figure. Probably the equivalent of pick 18 (lowest possible 1st pick) or 18 & 36 (lowest possible 1st 2 picks).

 

[blueboy25]

‘We’re gRowInG the gAMe”.

FMD. If only stkilda got 1/2 of the handouts others got

Does St Kilda have access to a NGA academy?
Does St Kilda have access to Father sons?
Does St Kilda have access to free agents?

 

[Elixuh]

Does St Kilda have access to a NGA academy?
Does St Kilda have access to Father sons?
Does St Kilda have access to free agents?

Unfortunately my friend Mat Mann has gulped down the kool aid presented by his president Fred bassatt. As a result he doesn’t acknowledge any of these things.

 

[Miller1971]

Does St Kilda have access to a NGA academy?
Does St Kilda have access to Father sons?
Does St Kilda have access to free agents?

Yes, we do.

Our President is just a victim though.

 

[Elixuh]

Yes, we do.

Our President is just a victim though.

 

[Jirik13]

Before the most recent changes you were allowed a 1723 points deficit, which is the points for a full hand of picks. Was lowered to 1167 this year due to DVI changes. Imagine it stays at that or becomes 836. Points for pick 18, if they only want to allow one pick sliding.

But none of these deficit rules have really been tested before. Will be interesting.

I really did not understand 1167 this year as we basically wiped out all picks in 2026 except 1 2nd rounder before draft started and then we even trade it for Thomas's pick.

Just hoping they will announce changes in Dec as mentioned by Twomey. It's travesty the clubs don't know rules for next year yet.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I really did not understand 1167 this year as we basically wiped out all picks in 2026 except 1 2nd rounder before draft started and then we even trade it on Thomas's pick.

Yeah , I dont think much thought has been put into it, as its always been easy to match without deficit.

Logic would say that you should only be able to go into deficit, if you still hold the picks for the next draft.

So if you hold a 1st round pick for the next draft, you can go into deficit by the points equivalent of pick 18. If you only hold a 2nd then its pick 36. Or if its ok to make up deficit with 2 picks then add the 2.

Although you could still trade them away during the next trade period, before the draft, so the afl would have to think how to police that. Without it getting super complicated.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I dont think they will tax it. What would that even mean?

They will just pick a points figure. Probably the equivalent of pick 18 (lowest possible 1st pick) or 18 & 36 (lowest possible 1st 2 picks).

By tax I mean if you carry say a 200pt deficit than it becomes 400pts.
They need to make teams try and avoid going into deficit for the system to work it’s best.