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Predict the 2026 State of Origin teams
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Sam Marshall as well. Recruited to play school football at Melbourne Grammar as a 15 yo from the Sunshine Coast/Brisbane.
Not sure why they changed the traditional rule of where you lived in the majority of your high school years.
Laughable that you can be Brisbane academy eligible but play origin for Victoria.
Laughable that you can be Brisbane academy eligible but play origin for Victoria.
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Ryley Sanders is another. Given how common it is for kids to relocate for their draft year, especially to Vic private school, this is a ridiculous rule. Gives Victoria a leg up they absolutely don't need.
Its a ridiculous rule, if it gets implemented that way. I guess it is plain no other states will ever be playing Origin, and it maximises the number of players eligible for one of the competing states. But that doesn't stop it being totally screwball.
The "formative years" thing, made sense. Yes, some vorderline cases, and there would be the potential for one Ashcrist to be Vic andf the other Qlf based on when they moved. But less completely vallsed up than where somone is drafted from (and if minor states did take part, Tas and NT would probably be picking players who never had been drafted - so how would that work).
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South Australian side, which should be paying Allies...
B: Michaelanny, Wilkie, Cox
HB: Rozee, Ballard, Milera
C: Wanganeen-Milera, Dawson, Hewett
HF: Hayward, Thilthorpe, Pickett
F: Rankine, Fogarty, Lukosius
R: Grundy, Neale, Horne-Francis
I: Noble, Phillipou, Burgoyne, Neal-Bullen, Petty
E: Aleer, Close, Laird
Who have i forgotten?
B: Michaelanny, Wilkie, Cox
HB: Rozee, Ballard, Milera
C: Wanganeen-Milera, Dawson, Hewett
HF: Hayward, Thilthorpe, Pickett
F: Rankine, Fogarty, Lukosius
R: Grundy, Neale, Horne-Francis
I: Noble, Phillipou, Burgoyne, Neal-Bullen, Petty
E: Aleer, Close, Laird
Who have i forgotten?
Good to see Kozzie Pickett chose to play for W.A, they needed the extra talent to go through the midfield. Jackson, Cripps, Warner and Pickett is a decent starting midfield, Curtin on one wing, it's a shame Martin is injured would have been good on the other.
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This fills me with some optimism that common sense will prevail in situations like this where a player has junior ties to more than one state. Kozzy playing for WA is good for the game and reflects the area that he considers home (Quairading) as well as his Indigenous roots to the Noongar mob.
Perhaps we'll see similar common sense/forward thinking occur by not picking Will Ashcroft in the Victorian line up because he will be doing a far better service to the game by representing his state of birth/state he grew up in (Queensland) as opposed to the state he lived in when completing the last few years of secondary schooling (Victoria). The Big V don't need him to be highly competitive, whereas a hypothetical Queensland state team would receive a huge boost with Ashcroft in the line up.
The AFL need to get this right from the beginning if they want state football to be something people care about. Ridiculously flip flopping on eligibility criteria is a recipe for disaster. Be sensible and do it right from the start.
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Not even thinking about this in the process of formulating state of origin again just shows how incompetent Dillon and his team are. It's common sense to do everything in your power to strengthen the states outside of Victoria as much as possible, yet the criteria he originally suggested does the opposite. All the kids that go to Victoria to board for 3 years in a hope of getting drafted would be eligible for Victoria under this criteria
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Yeah and just solely having that as your criteria for State of Origin selection is obviously a bad idea. Imagine if the Victorian selectors named Dan and/or Maurice Rioli just because they finished boarding school in Victoria. They're clearly not Victorian and are very proud Territorians that would choose to represnt the NT over Victoria 100% of the time.Not even thinking about this in the process of formulating state of origin again just shows how incompetent Dillon and his team are. It's common sense to do everything in your power to strengthen the states outside of Victoria as much as possible, yet the criteria he originally suggested does the opposite. All the kids that go to Victoria to board for 3 years in a hope of getting drafted would be eligible for Victoria under this criteria
Common sense tells you Will Ashcroft's 'origin' is Queensland and having him play for the Maroons also serves the purpose of strengthening a weaker state if you're trying to do this properly. I'd like to think the AFL has learned from the past and won't allow players like Jason Dunstall (lived the first 19 years of his life in Queensland) or Jim Stynes (clearly an Irishman) to strengthen the already strong Victorian team.
If the AFL does this properly then it has potential to be both competitive and popular, but if they just repeat the same mistakes of the past by allowing every man and his dog that has the slightest connection to Victoria to play for the Big V then this isn't going to work.
Giving a bit of a nudge to superstars like Will Ashcroft to declare a desire to play for weaker state like Queensland wouldn't hurt, either. Ideally, each of the five major state would have several star midfielders that they can select and I reckon we're pretty close to that already:
- Victoria obviously has N.Daicos, M.Rowell, M.Bontempelli, B.Smith etc.
- Western Australia has P.Cripps, C.Warner, K.Pickett, S.Bolton
- South Australia has L.Neale, J.Dawson, N.Wanganeen-Milera, I.Rankine
- New South Wales has E.Gulden, I.Heeney, C.Mills, T.Green
- Queensland has W.Ashcroft + a bunch of younger players that could become stars like L.Ashcroft, J.Fletcher, Z.Uwland, D.Patterson, D.Annable etc
Back when State of Origin was great. Wayne Carey playing for SA
Yeh. Dont remember the rules but must have been something about junior footy as Carey played at North Adelaide as a 17 year old. Spent the ages of 12-18 in Adelaide. Before going to North Melbourne
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The rules at the time were pretty silly and reflected a non-national game / pro-Victoria mentality. So if you were considered good enough to play for one of the big 3 states of Victoria, South Australia or Western Australia, which Dunstall clearly was in the late 1980s, then your eligibility was dependent on where you played your first 'top level league match' i.e. VFL, SANFL or WAFL. This rule clearly favoured the Vics as the VFL was bigger/wealthier and could attract plenty of high level players from the other eastern states.
So this meant that a 20 year old Jason Dunstall, who had lived his whole life in Brisbane and had already played senior QAFL football for Coorparoo for several years, played his first 'top level league match' for Hawthorn in 1985 and was therefore eligible to represent Victoria in State of Origin. Ridiculous, right? Well, it didn't stop there.
Another example of this stupid rule being applied was Terry Daniher, who was born and raised in the Riverina region of NSW and had won several B&F awards in southern NSW before being signed by South Melbourne and playing his first 'top level league match' for the South Melbourne in 1975. This made him eligible to represent Victoria in State of Origin. So you had the likes of New South Welshman Terry Daniher and Queenslander Jason Dunstall starring for the Big V in the 1980s in a STATE OF ORIGIN competition. Just think about that for a second.
Oh, but it didn't stop there. Tasmanian Darrin Pritchard also lined up for the Big V alongside Daniher and Dunstall in that 1989 Victorian state team. Pritchard was born + raised in Hobart and played senior football for Sandy Bay in the TFL in 1985-86 before getting drafted to the Hawks and played his first 'top level league match' for Hawthorn in 1987. Pritchard was therefore eligible to represent Victoria in State of Origin. And let's just add in the most ridiculous one of them all... Irishman Jim Stynes (who bizarrely played for Australia against Ireland - try to figure that one out) also played for Victoria for many years, including the 1989 team that featured Dunstall, Daniher and Pritched in the Big V jumper.
State of Origin back then was essentially the best players from the east coast of Australia + an exceptional Irishman, branded as Victoria, playing against South Australia and Western Australia. No wonder the Vics won so often!
The funny part is once the rules played against the Vics in the case of New South Welshman Wayne Carey, who had played 'top level league' SANFL footy for North Adelaide prior to being signed by the Kangaroos, was selected to represent SA in 1992 and they beat the Vics that year, which resulted in the rules being changed so the likes of Carey, Dunstall, Daniher and Pritchard could no longer play for one of the big 3 states. Shortly after, the Allies concept was brought to life and overall interest waned before the eventual death of the competition in 1999.
It's worth pointing out that South Australia did beat Victoria in 1994 under proper State of Origin rules when the best players in the league like Gary Ablett Sr, Steven Silvagni, Robert Harvey, Garry Hocking etc were still interested in playing. It's a real shame that a lot of the best players in the league stopped playing state football after they fixed the rules in the mid-to-late 1990s because that's when other states really started to pick up their game in terms of the players they were producing.
It would've been really interesting to see where state footy would've gone in the late 1990s/early 2000s if the best players had continued to play because we saw the Crows became the best team in the league, the introduction of two extra AFL teams in SA & WA as well as emergence of lots of stars from non-traditional footy states come to the fore like Voss (QLD) + Hird (ACT) winning the Brownlow in 1996, Shane Crawford (NSW) winning the Brownlow in 1999, Jason Akermanis (QLD) winning the Brownlow in 2001, Nathan Buckley (NT) winning the Brownlow in 2003.
The Allies would've been near unbeatable in the early 2000s if the best players were willing to play! Unfortunately, the sequence of historic events surrounding State of Origin really does lend itself to the theory that the Vics were only interested while they were able to dominate the competition with players that should've never been playing for them and once that backfired on them and the rules were changed, they were no longer interested. Seems mighty convenient for a state that firmly believed it was streets ahead of every other state, despite losing twice to SA in 1992 & 1994 when their best players were still willing to play.
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I’m just praying no Lions players get picked, imagine losing McLuggage or Dunkley for the season for this irrelevant crap.
They will both be playing a preseason game anyway won't they? And wouldn't there be a chance they get injured in that? Just have SoO as their preseason game and they dont play an alternate preseason game.
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Also players get injured at training, or the countless dead rubber games throughout the H&A season, also jamming their fingers a door or some shit
Injuries is the lamest excuse working against origin. Seriously look at how RL fans reacted to third Ashes Rugby League match, which was a dead rubber. No one was sooking about the potential that their favourite player MIGHT get injured.
I hope Melbourne have players picked for this, I doubt too many will though lol
Don't remember the details, but until the mid-90s the "Tier 1" states could lay claim to players from other states in some ways. So, Pritchard played for Victoria the same weekend that Tasmania were playing. Longmire among others played for NSW against Victoria, and for Victoria B against Tasmania in the same year (Vics lost both those games).
That said I think a few Vic Swans played for NSW because Vic hadn't selected them, so it wasn't only a Tier 1 thing to choose players, Tier 1 simply had over-riding rights or something.
After that the more sensible one state only rules came in. It was decided by most time in a state by primary residence during a players "formative years" in football terms - the age range may have shifted from time to time but something like ages 8-18.
After that Dunstall was only a Queenslander, Carey only from NSW, but the Allies started anyway and nobody wanted to play for - or watch - that mess of nothing.
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