List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Vader]

Yet they drafted two players nominated as KPF's by Twomey and other media draft writers, Mitch Marsh and Archie Ludowyke. Hamish seemed to be very taken with nabbing Ludowyke in particular.

Yep, we were desperately short of KPFs. Now we have Maley as backup, with 2 more in development.

 

[1970crow]

Pretty simple really they pounced before he became a delisted free agent and every other team then had unfettered access to Maley.

You're the one that's confused not me, the club targeted him, that's not even up for debate. Adelaide offered him an initial 1 year contract and he accepted it, no different to Ben Keays, now the ball is in his court the same as it was with Ben Keays.
The club's recruiters obviously saw aspects in his game they liked (potential upside) for someone that has had very little exposure to higher level football.

The smart money would be on him receiving another rookie contract given this will be Tex's last year, also the fact the ruck rules have changed and Maley has a prodigious leap also hasn't been missed.

Maley with an injury free run will dominate the SANFL with his athleticism and size/height advantage over the smaller SANFL defenders and will be a depth option, at worse similar to Borlase who is currently 3rd in line as a KPD yet he keeps getting a contract

Everyone had the same access, clearly we were the only club talking to him. Him getting delisted doesn’t mean clubs can just grab him, he still needs to agree to join. He moved interstate for a 1 year contract, the interest just wasn’t there. And look at what Roos face him up for. It’s weird, in one breath you’re realising that a habitual bottom 3 club was going up delist him and the next we had to move quickly to get him.

 

[1970crow]

The disagreement is the 50/50 plainly.
Percentages say players we recruit on the rookie list last longer than 1 year, without doing the actual numbers my money would be on it being heavily tilted that way. Unless of course you can do the numbers and prove me wrong.

I think it’d be 50/50. For every Keays there’d be a Crocker. And he played a few games and was still delisted after 1 year.

 

[Scorpus]

I assumed Maley was brought in to play that second ruck/resting forward position they wanted Sam Draper for.

I doubt it, Draper would have been a best 23 player, Maley is likely depth similar to Burgess, Himmelberg or Luke Lowden

 

[Mutineer]

Everyone had the same access, clearly we were the only club talking to him. Him getting delisted doesn’t mean clubs can just grab him, he still needs to agree to join. He moved interstate for a 1 year contract, the interest just wasn’t there. And look at what Roos face him up for. It’s weird, in one breath you’re realising that a habitual bottom 3 club was going up delist him and the next we had to move quickly to get him.

Are you serious!

As if he wouldn't agree to a 1 year deal to join any AFL club to stay on an AFL list. The fact Adelaide went and traded for him would suggest they rated him at least enough enough to take him off the delisted free agent table and therefore accessible to any club that may have come calling at that point. Maley was clearly targeted as KPF/Ruck depth at the very least. Adelaide has a pretty decent record with players we've rookie listed.

 

[1970crow]

Vaders words “big doubts “thats my whole point

But I think unless we’re stupid, we’d have to hold big doubts. Roos thought him worthless as likely did 16 other clubs. Despite the doubt, there’s obviously something that makes him worth the list spot for a year.

 

[1970crow]

Are you serious!

As if he wouldn't agree to a 1 year deal to join any AFL club to stay on an AFL list. The fact Adelaide went and traded for him would suggest they rated him at least enough enough to take him off the delisted free agent table and therefore accessible to any club that may have come calling at that point. Maley was clearly targeted as KPF/Ruck depth at the very least.

Are you serious!

As if his agent hadn’t called every other club to gauge interest and get him the best deal possible. It was a standard nothing deal for a player with no interest or value in the market. That he moved states for a single year deal tells you all you need to know. Like Keays, we were his last resort. Let’s hope it turns out like that or even JJ. But odds are against it.

 

[Mutineer]

Are you serious!

As if his agent hadn’t called every other club to gauge interest and get him the best deal possible. It was a standard nothing deal for a player with no interest or value in the market. That he moved states for a single year deal tells you all you need to know. Like Keays, we were his last resort. Let’s hope it turns out like that or even JJ. But odds are against it.

He doesn't need to be an uber successful rookie selection like Charlie Cameron, Josh Jenkins, Rory Laird, Reilly O'Brien, Ben Keays, Ben Rutten, Nathan Bock, Marty Mattner, Michael Doughty, Ricky Henderson, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly, Alex Keath, Jordan Butts etc to be viable depth for more than the 1 year. i.e. Borlase, Himmelberg etc.

 

[1970crow]

He doesn't need to be an uber successful rookie selection like Charlie Cameron, Josh Jenkins, Rory Laird, Reilly O'Brien, Ben Keays, Ben Rutten, Nathan Bock, Marty Mattner, Michael Doughty, Ricky Henderson, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly, Alex Keath, Jordan Butts etc to be viable depth for more than the 1 year. i.e. Borlase, Himmelberg etc.

That’s a different topic, the discussion was one the likelihood of an extension. And for a 1 year delistee or nothing trade, I reckon it’s 50:50. I definitely agree either way the call, he’s not going to be worse than Burgo if called upon and there’s a chance he turns out better.

But you’ve polluted the discussion with that list of names. There’s a stark difference between taking a punt on a rookie that will be fresh into the system and picking up another club’s cast off. Most of the names you mentioned hadn’t been in the AFL system and effectively delisted by their club.

The correct list is Keays, Hinge, Crocker, JJ, Tyler Brown & McAndrew. These are players discarded or traded for peanuts by their original club. However, Hinge and JJ didn’t come on a single year deal. So it’s 2:2, Keays and McAndrew with extensions and Crocker and Brown without. It’s actually 1:2 for players that moved interstate for a single year deal, with McAndrew having already moved here to play with Norwood.

I could be missing players, but my google did lead me to an AFC webpage that listed every player and how they arrived.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Recall hearing Brady Rawlings

Brady Rawlings

Age

44

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184cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

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Last 5

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17.7

4star

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8.7

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

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0.8

3star

on radio after we got Maley. Nth Melbourne had to fit 5 into 3 and Moose was still
very much in consideration for a spot when “Adelaide came at him with a contract”.
He certainly gave the impression they were caught out a little.

Was either SEN or Gettable, tried but can’t find the audio.

Edit, there had been a rumour Sydney was also interested in some fantasy chats.

 

[hugecannon]

Yep, we were desperately short of KPFs. Now we have Maley as backup, with 2 more in development.

And Strachan again as well at SANFL level, don’t see the point really of having him again as a top up, when we’ve recruited a heap more height already.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm just saying that he's a 50/50 chance of being around in 2027, and that he needs to perform if he's going to be offered a new contract for 2027. I'm not sure how this is projecting, given that the club chose to only give him a one-year contract when they signed him.

How often do we cut players after just one year?

Particularly a young tall...

As i said in my original post, i doubt he will he cut after just 1 year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I don’t think he’s writing him off, he’s just saying that a 1 year deal is rare and it suggests lack of confidence by the club and as it stands now, it’s more likely he’ll be off the list than extended. This is a guy that the Roos were happy to see go for absolute peanuts and who accepted an interstate 1 year contract. Fair to say there wasn’t much of a bidding war for his services.

Hoping for a JJ outcome, but not expecting it.

Rare? Only a year ago we signed Bond on a 1 year deal & recently gave him another 2.

Apparently Roos were looking to keep him & Sydney showed interest too.

I just laugh that posters judge him on his contract term, rather than his ability. Bond can attest to that.

 

[jackster83]

And Strachan again as well at SANFL level, don’t see the point really of having him again as a top up, when we’ve recruited a heap more height already.

The only way he should be playing is if McAndrew and Ibis are unavailable. Otherwise he can go play amateur league.

 

[hugecannon]

The only way he should be playing is if McAndrew and Ibis are unavailable. Otherwise he can go play amateur league.

- I unfortunately don’t have faith in the coaching/staff and selectors that they will de it the same way.

 

[1970crow]

Recall hearing Brady Rawlings on radio after we got Maley. Nth Melbourne had to fit 5 into 3 and Moose was still
very much in consideration for a spot when “Adelaide came at him with a contract”.
He certainly gave the impression they were caught out a little.

Was either SEN or Gettable, tried but can’t find the audio.

Edit, there had been a rumour Sydney was also interested in some fantasy chats.

I’m sure that us offering him a 1 year deal would have expedited the decision on Maley squeeze into the 3. And the result was obviously he didn’t as he accepted a deal to leave his mates and head interstate with the guarantee of only 1 year. What Roos accepted at trade tells you he was going to be delisted.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Rare? Only a year ago we signed Bond on a 1 year deal & recently gave him another 2.

Apparently Roos were looking to keep him & Sydney showed interest too.

I just laugh that posters judge him on his contract term, rather than his ability. Bond can attest to that.

I find it strange, at the start of pre-season, people are already judging recruits, who they haven't even seen play yet

Last year, there were even posters pre-draft, believing our best way forward would be to trade Curtin back to WCE, given the uncertainty of his role at AFL level .....talk about premature expectation

 

[Vader]

How often do we cut players after just one year?

Particularly a young tall...

As i said in my original post, i doubt he will he cut after just 1 year.

How often do we trade for a player, and only offer them a one-year contract?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

How often do we trade for a player, and only offer them a one-year contract?

Name me the last player we cut after only giving them 1 year.

It's not the AFC way!

 

[Vader]

Name me the last player we cut after only giving them 1 year.

It's not the AFC way!

How many players have been given new contracts after only being offered a one-year contract? Keays & Bond have been cited already. There aren't many more beyond that. New Rookie draftees who are given a 12-month AFL mandated contract don't count.

A one-year contract says "perform now or you're on your way out - this is your one and only chance". I'd say about 90% of all players given only a one-year contract by the AFC are gone at the end of that contract.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

How many players have been given new contracts after only being offered a one-year contract? Keays & Bond have been cited already. There aren't many more beyond that. New Rookie draftees who are given a 12-month AFL mandated contract don't count.

A one-year contract says "perform now or you're on your way out - this is your one and only chance". I'd say about 90% of all players given only a one-year contract by the AFC are gone at the end of that contract.

90%?

I can't think of any recent player we gave cut after 1 year on our list.

Please name them.

 

[CROUCH #2]

I really want to stress again, Mitch Marsh is highly likely to develop outside of a key forward role.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I really want to stress again, Mitch Marsh is highly likely to develop outside of a key forward role.

Athletic tall flankers are very handy...

Curtin showed as much this year.

Gives us a marking advantage.

 

[Vader]

90%?

I can't think of any recent player we gave cut after 1 year on our list.

Please name them.

I can think of plenty of players who have been cut after being given a one-year "dead man walking" contract. I'm struggling to think of many players we've traded for, only to hand them a one-year contract. There's Ben Keays, then theres...?

 

[Cromulant]

I can think of plenty of players who have been cut after being given a one-year "dead man walking" contract. I'm struggling to think of many players we've traded for, only to hand them a one-year contract. There's Ben Keays, then theres...?

The point being hes not going to come to the club for a year and get boned.

Its not what we do