Welcome With Pick 24 Geelong Football Club Selects Harley Barker

[splashwave]

It just hit me as a contradiction.

Anyway, I disagree somewhat with the tenet of your post regardless. ACL recoveries and injury prone young players can be such a lottery - whether worth the risk, we’ll see.

It’s not a contradiction without wilfully ignoring the intent of the post: unless there is a genetic predisposition the risk is fairly low.

 

[Mr Meow]

It's likely a fools errand trying to get that cute with the data. There's not enough ACLs worldwide, let alone in AFL to get any surity from the data set.

I will say though either way he's worth the punt

Sorry but this is an absurd statement.

There were over 300 knee recos in the AFL between 1992 and 2013 alone, which is more than enough for a literature review to demonstrate findings and trends.

Australian Footballers Returning from Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction Later than 12 Months have Worse Outcomes - PMC

There is evidence that early return to competition post-anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury increases risk of re-injury. To compare subsequent ACL and other injury risks following ACL reconstruction for Australian Football League (AFL) players ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Going worldwide with all sports gives us a huge number to work with. If the data wasn't ruibust then the studies such as the one GC26 quoted would not even exist, let alone make it to credible scientific journals.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Sorry but this is an absurd statement.

There were over 300 knee recos in the AFL between 1992 and 2013 alone, which is more than enough for a literature review to demonstrate findings and trends.

Australian Footballers Returning from Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction Later than 12 Months have Worse Outcomes - PMC

There is evidence that early return to competition post-anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury increases risk of re-injury. To compare subsequent ACL and other injury risks following ACL reconstruction for Australian Football League (AFL) players ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Going worldwide with all sports gives us a huge number to work with. If the data wasn't ruibust then the studies such as the one GC26 quoted would not even exist, let alone make it to credible scientific journals.

You want to compare 1993 surgery to 2013 surgery? Plus that data set doesn't exist, you have to make it, likely through asking individuals for their personal medical information one by one, one afternoon per data point to record and categorise their injury, treatment, rehab? Same would likely be true of all sports. That also assumes those sports injuries, surgeries, rehab systems are all mutually comparable too.

Maybe you could put something together on trends if you did phd level research on it, but I think it will just say what we're already saying, that treatment is getting better by an uncertain amount and that all individuals recover differently. A bit harsh to call that viewpoint absurd.

 

[Mr Meow]

You want to compare 1993 surgery to 2013 surgery? Plus that data set doesn't exist, you have to make it, likely through asking individuals for their personal medical information one by one, one afternoon per data point to record and categorise their injury, treatment, rehab? Same would likely be true of all sports. That also assumes those sports injuries, surgeries, rehab systems are all mutually comparable too.

Maybe you could put something together on trends if you did phd level research on it, but I think it will just say what we're already saying, that treatment is getting better by an uncertain amount and that all individuals recover differently. A bit harsh to call that viewpoint absurd.

Things change over time but it's ridiculous to suggest we haven't had enough knee reco's in professional sports for the studies that analyse hundreds or thousands of them to provide credible insights.

The literature reviews basically are what you do as the introduction to a PhD thesis, except the published ones have been completed by experts and then peer reviewed by other experts. It's a robust process. So yes the findings can and should be taken seriously. They are the same ones that give any expectations on recovery protocols and timelines for injuries.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Was this kid averaging 16 touches in the Nationals?

What had he shown to be considered potential top 10 if he hadn't done his knee?

That's a genuine question... I haven't looked into him much and trying to see what I have missed with him.

Looks ok, love his 20m test time... Can't see a top 10 talent (even in this weak draft) but happy to be wrong.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Was this kid averaging 16 touches in the Nationals?

What had he shown to be considered potential top 10 if he hadn't done his knee?

That's a genuine question... I haven't looked into him much and trying to see what I have missed with him.

Looks ok, love his 20m test time... Can't see a top 10 talent (even in this weak draft) but happy to be wrong.

I am always skeptical myself of the “ would have gone top ten if not for injury” talk… I personally think most players land where they would have gone regardless with maybe a slight deviation.

Max king did his ACL and it didn’t detract saints from taking him with pick 4… same with a few other guns.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Was this kid averaging 16 touches in the Nationals?

What had he shown to be considered potential top 10 if he hadn't done his knee?

That's a genuine question... I haven't looked into him much and trying to see what I have missed with him.

Looks ok, love his 20m test time... Can't see a top 10 talent (even in this weak draft) but happy to be wrong.

Why the obsession with touches? He was playing wing and was clearly the best winger at nationals.

How can you say you "can't see a top 10 talent" when you haven't looked into him much? Surely you need to look into him a bit to have that opinion?

One of the best runners, one of the smartest runners and one of the best kicks in the draft class is a pretty tasty combination.

Not sure where he would've gone without injury but there's a reason he was considered a pretty unanimous top 20 pick at that point even by people who tend to massively underrate outside players.

 

[TheUnicorn]

I've been on holiday, so I'm a bit late to the party, but this is an unreal grab at pick 24. I'm a big fan of Harley Barker! was hoping Essendon would pick him up.

Grats guys

 

[dazbroncos]

I've been on holiday, so I'm a bit late to the party, but this is an unreal grab at pick 24. I'm a big fan of Harley Barker! was hoping Essendon would pick him up.

Grats guys

Have you followed as a junior or just observed in the pre draft period..

What you like about him?

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