Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[King Patty]

 

[Gough]

Twenty years of austerity for us while oligarchs make out like bandits and chuds are blaming the immigrants. F*** me.

 

[nut]

Twenty years of austerity for us while oligarchs make out like bandits and chuds are blaming the immigrants. F*** me.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There's always been an element of "skills we need " but our government have been appalling at it.

When we still had the remnants of an Auto Industry, i spoke to a guy from Iraq. Him and his wife had both held lower management positions at a Renault car assembly plant.

Moving to Australia wasn't just something they did on a whim, it was a massive life changing event for them.
The Australian agency they dealt with assured them that we had a thriving Auto industry, and that their skills would be greatly needed.
At this point...the Industry had been down sizing for years.
The guy couldn't get the kind of job he wanted, he ended up getting Quality Audit credentials and Auditing Auto Industry suppliers ( a good proportion of his work NOT in Australia ).
His wife ended up getting basic production line work at Ford. Both their careers were pretty much destroyed, yeah it happens ...but it wasn't what they signed up for.

If the government simply ask employers what/who they need , they may not always get the correct answers. Employers love to have a glut in the workforce, it keeps the hourly rate down.

How well do they identify the skills we need ?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

This government is starting to look awfully like the last government.

Next time Labor barrackers put shit on the Greens and independents for pushing for a higher standard of parliamentary accountability, maybe ask yourselves, are your mob really any improvement on the Coalition?

Wells spent nearly $9000 of taxpayer money to bring husband to three AFL grand finals

Sports Minister Anika Wells spent close to $9000 on family reunion flights and travel entitlements so her husband could attend three AFL grand finals with her.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Gough]

This government is starting to look awfully like the last government.

Next time Labor barrackers put shit on the Greens and independents for pushing for a higher standard of parliamentary accountability, maybe ask yourselves, are your mob really any improvement on the Coalition?

Wells spent nearly $9000 of taxpayer money to bring husband to three AFL grand finals

Sports Minister Anika Wells spent close to $9000 on family reunion flights and travel entitlements so her husband could attend three AFL grand finals with her.

www.smh.com.au

If this is all within the rules then change the rules.

 

[The Punter]

If I may offer an alternate view on the Wells news, from that well noted ALP-shill <checks notes> James Campbell.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/o...g/news-story/888f43d96a062bdb1b98cae8fdcb0c3e

 

[Saint]

Snouts in the trough always looks bad. Campbell having that take is because he's got his snout in the trough himself - how many meals and events do you think he gets complimentary either from his paper or from the taxpayer for talking to a politician? Plus, didn't his wife just run for federal parliament?

He doesn't want the gravy train to stop. Just like why all these property-mogul Cabinet members of the LNP and ALP Governments have no intention of the housing price moderating for first-home buyers. It would slow their own portfolio growth.

Who else to vote for? David Pocock is an independent doing way better in estimates than anyone from the opposition, asking about gas prices and the Government working too closely with the Minerals Council.

Shoebridge appears to be the only other one who understands what's going on.

I can't remember a time when the right-side of politics, like One Nation or Clive's party ever had anything intelligent to ask at Senate Estimates or tried to hold the Government to account.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Just like why all these property-mogul Cabinet members of the LNP and ALP Governments have no intention of the housing price moderating for first-home buyers. It would slow their own portfolio growth.

Is it really that direct a connection? Are all our politicians that avaricious?

eg I was fully in support of Shorten’s franking credits policy, even though as a holder of a share portfolio at the time I stood to take a hit from it. And I argued as much on these threads.

I have no doubt many politicians are solely in the game for personal enrichment.

But a critical mass of them, sufficient to shut down any attempt at reform?

I can’t help thinking it’s a bit more nuanced than that.

 

[Saint]

Is it really that direct a connection? Are all our politicians that avaricious?

eg I was fully in support of Shorten’s franking credits policy, even though as a holder of a share portfolio at the time I stood to take a hit from it. And I argued as much on these threads.

I have no doubt many politicians are solely in the game for personal enrichment.

But a critical mass of them, sufficient to shut down any attempt at reform?

I can’t help thinking it’s a bit more nuanced than that.

My point is that there's a personal conflict of interest, somewhat exacerbated by the fact that so many of them own multiple properties and have things arranged in trusts to protect assets in their public-facing role.

Anyone with a mortgage stands to lose from house prices being suppressed, which I'm assuming is possibly the majority of posters here, given it's the majority of adults. But anyone with children should recognise that their children will suffer as the ones having the ladder kicked out on home ownership.

It would be easy for the pollies in the cabinet meeting to say "I don't want my properties to go down in value, just like all other home owners" and let selfishness take the day.

 

[King Patty]

Who else to vote for? David Pocock is an independent doing way better in estimates than anyone from the opposition, asking about gas prices and the Government working too closely with the Minerals Council.

Pocock is great on most things. Seems to be in Aus interest.

but he is also backed by climate 200.

David Pocock leaves the Climate 200 mothership

The first-term ACT senator has weaned himself off the political campaign group’s money. Some in the teal and independent movements say that’s not a bad thing.

www.afr.com

 

[King Patty]

My point is that there's a personal conflict of interest, somewhat exacerbated by the fact that so many of them own multiple properties and have things arranged in trusts to protect assets in their public-facing role.

Anyone with a mortgage stands to lose from house prices being suppressed, which I'm assuming is possibly the majority of posters here, given it's the majority of adults. But anyone with children should recognise that their children will suffer as the ones having the ladder kicked out on home ownership.

It would be easy for the pollies in the cabinet meeting to say "I don't want my properties to go down in value, just like all other home owners" and let selfishness take the day.

it's all parties in parliament with rentals.

 

[Saint]

it's all parties in parliament with rentals.View attachment 2492724

It's not just a couple of properties. Anything with 4 or more is a portfolio of properties.

The largest group is not zero, one or two, it's three or more properties. 77 Federal politicians own 3 or more properties. And this doesn't include the partners of Senators.

Kristy McBain is Minister for Regional Development, with 4 properties herself.

 

[schneebly111]

At least he’s not making the Morrison mistake and actually speaking up this time:

Firefighter killed in Bulahdelah bushfire

It marks the first fatality of the NSW bushfire season.

7news.com.au

Anthony Albanese warns of ‘difficult’ bushfire season ahead as almost 40 homes lost in NSW and Tasmania

Disaster payments announced after 16 homes destroyed in Koolewong and four at Bulahdelah in NSW. Nineteen homes were lost in Tasmania

www.theguardian.com

 

[King Patty]

NZ Minister sets ‘long-term’ house price target of 3 to 5 times household incomes - Cook Islands News

The new housing minister has set a target of having homes costing just three to five times household incomes - well below what they are now in most of New Zealand.

www.cookislandsnews.com

Would love this bloke over Clare O'Neill as housing minister.

 

[MarcMaverick]

NZ Minister sets ‘long-term’ house price target of 3 to 5 times household incomes - Cook Islands News

The new housing minister has set a target of having homes costing just three to five times household incomes - well below what they are now in most of New Zealand.

www.cookislandsnews.com

Would love this bloke over Clare as housing minister.

He might need to apply to coach the ECB.

 

[The Punter]

NZ Minister sets ‘long-term’ house price target of 3 to 5 times household incomes - Cook Islands News

The new housing minister has set a target of having homes costing just three to five times household incomes - well below what they are now in most of New Zealand.

www.cookislandsnews.com

Would love this bloke over Clare as housing minister.

And because they are in government and people will be able to see the changes (already happening in Auckland), the electorate will reward them.

Also, O'Neil (yes, I know her first name is Clare) is the Housing Minister and Clare is the Education Minister.

 

[MarcMaverick]

We have an unelected official killing the internet for Aus. Forcing Digital ID under the guise of safety. RIP Aussie Internet.

 

[King Patty]

why is the blow torch being applied to Wells when i'm sure most pollies are probably rorting/maximising their benefits from the system?

 

[MarcMaverick]

why is the blow torch being applied to Wells when i'm sure most pollies are probably rorting/maximising their benefits from the system?

Why not? She's riding the highest of high horses ATM. Its not like every other minister gets to usher in communism from their ivory tower. Her, Bowen, Albo and Julie Inman Grant. The Four Horsemen of the Communism.

 

[CM86]

I feel like there is a lot of overlap between the anti-vax, anti-mask behaviours and movements, and the current movements against social media 'bans'.

Lots of rhetoric, fear mongering, repetition. Sharing of misinformation and distortions of fact.
Very little discussion or understanding of any policy, plans, or reasoning behind it.
Just the usual 'do your own research!'.



The best thing that should have been done was ensuring internet education through schools. Literacy.
But something also needs to be done now.

Pointing out that there could and will be problems that will have to be adapted and adjusted over time etc, is good and valid...
Screaming that masks suffocate you as they block oxygen... Is not.

 

[King Patty]

I feel like there is a lot of overlap between the anti-vax, anti-mask behaviours and movements, and the current movements against social media 'bans'
Lots of rhetoric, fear mongering, repetition. Sharing of misinformation and distortions of fact.
Very little discussion or understanding of any policy, plans, or reasoning behind it.
Just the usual 'do your own research!'.

There's only sharing of information. Not misinformation....its up to the individual to decide what is true or false.

Albo's policy supposedly to "protect the children", but doesn't include suspect platforms like bluesky and Roblox.

Albanese himself said if he was dictator for a day he would shut down social media so that people would not be able to comment negatively on his changes.


I think it's to do with where people source political content and the governments inability to moderate said content.

Some people who are down the rabbit hole might suggest it is to do with UN goals 2030.

 

[Gralin]

Childcare?
Bill relief?
HECS relief?
Real wage increases.. etc etc

All whilst battling inflation.

you love your little lists but where's the data

the first 3 don't address the structural issues that cause the problem

I'd also question how much 2 of them describe the average Australian

what percentage of people have kids in childcare? what percentage of people have HECS debt?

I can tell you my wages have not kept pace with inflation, I've not experience this real wage growth

my partners HECS debt hasn't gone down under Labor its gone up, the relief has removed some of the impact of inflation but it would have been better for them to pause indexing in the first place

of course they can't do that they get too much revenue out of the system

anytime a government announces relief or subsidies or changes to their payments where the price can go up all they are doing is announcing a subsidy to private profits

its why childcare fees went up after the announcement, why utilities went up after the announcement

none of the things you have listed have improved my living standards

I'm in a worse position than I was when Morrison was PM, and I'm not saying I wouldn't be in the same spot or worse now under the coalition

I wouldn't go back and vote for the coalition either based on where I am now

But I don't consider anything on your list to be accurate or a win for the average person

its a nice list though, you trot it out a lot like means anything

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I feel like there is a lot of overlap between the anti-vax, anti-mask behaviours and movements, and the current movements against social media 'bans'.

Lots of rhetoric, fear mongering, repetition. Sharing of misinformation and distortions of fact.
Very little discussion or understanding of any policy, plans, or reasoning behind it.
Just the usual 'do your own research!'.



The best thing that should have been done was ensuring internet education through schools. Literacy.
But something also needs to be done now.

Pointing out that there could and will be problems that will have to be adapted and adjusted over time etc, is good and valid...
Screaming that masks suffocate you as they block oxygen... Is not.

If anything, there has been less transparency between the social media bans than there was about Covid and Vaccines.
During Covid i knew more about the different brands of vaccines than i ever did in any other case. I have had other vaccines a lot of them, i don't even know if they came in different brands. So much information about different kind of masks ( the punchline being that people wearing masks spread viruses less than the selfish pricks who thought not wearing a mask showed they were brave, as opposed to selfish - surgeons don't wear masks in case they catch something off the guy with his chest cut open ).

So far all i've heard about social media is some vague murmuring about bullying, and how these mega corporations have another excuse to "profile " ALL of their users in the name of safety for under 16 year olds.

 

[CM86]

There's only sharing of information. Not misinformation....its up to the individual to decide what is true or false.

That's misinformation.

Albo's policy supposedly to "protect the children", but doesn't include suspect platforms like bluesky and Roblox.

So your argument is that it doesn't go far enough?
If it does end up properly applying the restrictions to 'bluesky and Roblox' would you then be supportive of it?

Albanese himself said if he was dictator for a day he would shut down social media so that people would not be able to comment negatively on his changes.

Can you show me where that quote is from? Article or the actual quote itself.