Who won the Bryce Gibbs Trade?

[Dirty Bird]

As many of you would remember back in 2017, Adelaide and Carlton made a trade to bring in Bryce Gibbs.

Adelaide lost 2 1st rd picks, 1 5th rd pick, and a future 2nd rd pick
Carlton gave us Bryce Gibbs, 1 5th rd pick, a future 2nd rd pick and a future 3rd rd pick.

As the years have gone, players have been drafted, remaining picks have been packaged with others, and we still to this day don't have the final picture.

Early on no one did anything of note.
Looked like it was a lose/lose
But there were still 1 player on each team still kicking.
In 2024 - It finally started to look like Carlton was going to win the trade as their last remaining player took another step forward.
But in 2025 it swung back to on par, maybe an Adelaide lean as the last player Adelaide got from all of it, made it to the AA squad.

But now what it had become is now a question mark again.

The Carlton player who was holding things up was TDK. He left for St Kilda as a free agent.
Carlton got 1 draft pick as compensation, which they sent to Essendon for steak knives, 1 of which they ontraded elsewhere for steak knives.
But they used 2 in the Curnow/Hayward Trade. So we need to extrapolate what part of that trade was the trade for the 2 2nd rd picks. Was it Hayward? Was it the 2026 1st tied to Sydney? Or was it the 2027 1st tied to Sydney?

Lets go with the 2026 1st as the 2027 is effectively a 2nd rd pick due to Tassie compensation in that draft.

So who won the trade?

Carlton: 2026 1st Rd Draft pick (Tied to Sydney)
Adelaide: Josh Worrell

I'm thinking Adelaide once all is said and done.

 

[Samcro24]

Football

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Victor Harbor FC

 

[1970crow]

As many of you would remember back in 2017, Adelaide and Carlton made a trade to bring in Bryce Gibbs.

Adelaide lost 2 1st rd picks, 1 5th rd pick, and a future 2nd rd pick
Carlton gave us Bryce Gibbs, 1 5th rd pick, a future 2nd rd pick and a future 3rd rd pick.

As the years have gone, players have been drafted, remaining picks have been packaged with others, and we still to this day don't have the final picture.

Early on no one did anything of note.
Looked like it was a lose/lose
But there were still 1 player on each team still kicking.
In 2024 - It finally started to look like Carlton was going to win the trade as their last remaining player took another step forward.
But in 2025 it swung back to on par, maybe an Adelaide lean as the last player Adelaide got from all of it, made it to the AA squad.

But now what it had become is now a question mark again.

The Carlton player who was holding things up was TDK. He left for St Kilda as a free agent.
Carlton got 1 draft pick as compensation, which they sent to Essendon for steak knives, 1 of which they ontraded elsewhere for steak knives.
But they used 2 in the Curnow/Hayward Trade. So we need to extrapolate what part of that trade was the trade for the 2 2nd rd picks. Was it Hayward? Was it the 2026 1st tied to Sydney? Or was it the 2027 1st tied to Sydney?

Lets go with the 2026 1st as the 2027 is effectively a 2nd rd pick due to Tassie compensation in that draft.

So who won the trade?

Carlton: 2026 1st Rd Draft pick (Tied to Sydney)
Adelaide: Josh Worrell

I'm thinking Adelaide once all is said and done.

Winning and losing is determined when the paperwork is lodged with the AFL. Future picks make it harder, but it wasn’t that bad for us. We believed we were buying a blue chip mid for a mid first and few spot downgrade from late first to early second. We could have gotten him cheaper if we were able to walk away, but Fraudan tied one hand behind Reid’s back.

Turned out to be a disaster for us, he gave us half a season of good football. What Carlton did with the picks is irrelevant.

 

[Pugsley]

 

[Scorpus]

Carlton

The only reason it's even slightly even is because Carlton are rubbish at drafting

Ed Richard was drafted with the second pick we gave to Carlton for Gibbs

 

[CDC60]

Gibbs won the trade. It was a calamity for us to invest so much draft and cap capital in a player who was only ever a B grader and reached that level in less than a handful of his 37 games

 

[daniel_4tw]

Winning and losing is determined when the paperwork is lodged with the AFL. Future picks make it harder, but it wasn’t that bad for us. We believed we were buying a blue chip mid for a mid first and few spot downgrade from late first to early second. We could have gotten him cheaper if we were able to walk away, but Fraudan tied one hand behind Reid’s back.

Turned out to be a disaster for us, he gave us half a season of good football. What Carlton did with the picks is irrelevant.

Comparing the players that were picked with the trade picks is pointless. There’s no chance each club would pick the same players if they held onto the draft picks.

We 100% overpaid. But we were able to because we got overs for Lever.

If we had gotten Gibbs a year earlier when we were flying? Who knows what could have been, but 100% why we are more cautious at the trade table since.

 

[Golumless]

It must be offseason.

Carlton because Gibbs was done in three-four years, though I don't view it as Bryce's fault. He just became a scapegoat for Adelaide's implosion. Carlton just did what Carlton do and completely wasted it.

We'll never know what happens if Burton/Pyke didn't decide to go for the full "players aren't mentally tough enough" bullshit routine and treated a grand final loss as "shit happens".

 

[hugecannon]

Gibbs won the trade. It was a calamity for us to invest so much draft and cap capital in a player who was only ever a B grader and reached that level in less than a handful of his 37 games

This

I didn’t mind the trade at the time, but clearly didn’t realise how cooked Gibbs was and once he left Carlton. His heart wasn’t in it here - especially once we started to struggle as a team in 2018.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

It must be offseason.

Carlton because Gibbs was done in three-four years, though I don't view it as Bryce's fault. He just became a bit of scapegoat for Adelaide's implosion. Carlton just did what Carlton do and completely wasted it.

We'll never know what happens if Burton/Pyke didn't decide to go for the full "players aren't mentally tough enough" bullshit routine and treated a grand final loss as "shit happens".

We could have put a bit extra into keeping Charlie Cameron and still kept our picks. Zac Bailey went at 15.

 

[Golumless]

We could have put a bit extra into keeping Charlie Cameron and still kept our picks. Zac Bailey went at 15.

Of the three, Cameron is the one I'm convinced there was nothing we could have done to keep him (by mid-to-late 2017 at any rate). Lever and Gov were about the money, but I've always got the sense that Charlie saw the writing on the wall with the club and wanted out before shit hit the fan.

 

[cleanhands]

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Is that you in one of those special massage places

 

[Jetwa5h]

Is that you in one of those special massage places

Weeeelllllll he does look happy, it looks finished and he does look asleep...............................

 

[cmndstab]

The real question is who lost the hardest.

The rare lose-lose trade.

 

[Kid A]

Squib of a player, never had time for him, waste of talent

 

[1970crow]

The real question is who lost the hardest.

The rare lose-lose trade.

Gibbs did well. Collected his front loading bonus from Carlton and then we kept paying it. Even for an extra year after we asked him to leave the club.

 

[Pugsley]

Is that you in one of those special massage places

I believe the term is tantric

 

[1970crow]

Squib of a player, never had time for him, waste of talent

I read on the Carlton board that he could go out with a raw egg in each pocket and finish the game with them both still intact.

 

[1970crow]

We could have put a bit extra into keeping Charlie Cameron and still kept our picks. Zac Bailey went at 15.

We should have kept Lyons, his year largely off a forward flank was pretty good.

 

[1970crow]

We could have put a bit extra into keeping Charlie Cameron and still kept our picks. Zac Bailey went at 15.

We should have kept Lyons, his year largely off a forward flank was pretty good.

 

[Mostyn]

Of the three, Cameron is the one I'm convinced there was nothing we could have done to keep him (by mid-to-late 2017 at any rate). Lever and Gov were about the money, but I've always got the sense that Charlie saw the writing on the wall with the club and wanted out before shit hit the fan.

Cameron was probably more about the money than any of the others - almost tripled his wage going to Brisbane.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Cameron was probably more about the money than any of the others - almost tripled his wage going to Brisbane.

Probably off a low wage base to start with.. Was still contracted at the time.

 

[Archie87]

Cameron just seems like a dude that likes wowing the crowds on the weekend with his ability, while earning top dollar, but wants to live in absolute anonymity outside of a footy match and not have people watching his very move.

Brisbane are one of the only sides that could offer all of those things. I can't blame him for taking it up tbh - still one of my fav non-Crows players.

 

[cleanhands]

I believe the term is tantric