Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Carringbush2010]

Your entire gameplan revolves around 'Get Nick the ball/club champion/Brownlow'.

Without him in the side, Collingwood wouldn't be anywhere near it.

 

[bzparkes]

I mean, isn't your club changing the rules so Nick can win the club champion, after the carry on over how he missed the Brownlow only to award the BnF to Cameron?

Or did they realise that was as dumb as it sounds?

 

[Big Bryza]

Oldest list in the AFL and didn't bring much youth in via the draft due to having traded their picks. McRae has said he wants ready made players not draft picks but do you think Collingwood need to begin a rebuild? List management is like a matrix very hard to maintain the right balance and Geelong have managed to do it best over a long period. It'll be interesting to see if Collingwood can remain a contender while turning their list over and not entertaining the prospect of entering a rebuild.

No, champion.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I mean, isn't your club changing the rules so Nick can win the club champion, after the carry on over how he missed the Brownlow only to award the BnF to Cameron?

Or did they realise that was as dumb as it sounds?

I'll let you keep claiming that Collingwood's game plan is simply 'get it to Nick and nothing else', it's a good reflection of your knowledge.

No need to explain to you the actual reality, you wouldn't understand, because you lack knowledge.

 

[bzparkes]

I'll let you keep claiming that Collingwood's game plan is simply 'get it to Nick and nothing else', it's a good reflection of your knowledge.

I suppose 'Get it to Jamie' is the 2nd part of the gameplan then, considering he kicked nearly double the goals of the bloke who left for Melbourne?

No need to explain to you the actual reality, you wouldn't understand, because you lack knowledge.

It's fine. Everyone knows people who make these kind of statements have NFI either, which is why they can't explain it and project their ignorance onto others.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It's fine. Everyone knows people who make these kind of statements have NFI either, which is why they can't explain it and project their ignorance onto others.

It's been explained many times, not only on this thread, how Collingwood go about their game plan.

Hint, it's not 'get it to (insert name) and hope for the best' - not sure how you think a team with this game plan would go two and half games clear on the ladder with only one worthy player.

You believe what you want though, no skin off my nose.

I suppose 'Get it to Jamie' is the 2nd part of the gameplan then, considering he kicked nearly double the goals of the bloke who left for Melbourne?

Example A of lack of knowledge.

 

[Robroy22]

Your entire gameplan revolves around 'Get Nick the ball/club champion/Brownlow'.

Without him in the side, Collingwood wouldn't be anywhere near it.

Are you retiring him too? He's not that old yet...

 

[Fadge]

Are you retiring him too? He's not that old yet...

Love it that the Pies are a one man team, and wouldn't be anywhere near the top 4 without him, but we still should throw the baby out with the bathwater and spend the next 5 years outside the top 8 in rebuild mode, during 5 peak years of GOATcos' career...

 

[bzparkes]

Hint, it's not 'get it to (insert name) and hope for the best' - not sure how you think a team with this game plan would go two and half games clear on the ladder with only one worthy player.

Well it's real simple, judging by how badly that same team fell away in the 2nd half of the H&A season.

 

[Andyy]

Pies need a rebuild, big time.

Trade Naicos to GWS/GCS/Tas for some other players/draft capital.

Jaicos can come to Tigers, give ya our 2026 2nd rounder. He's not as good as his brother after all.

 

[bzparkes]

Love it that the Pies are a one man team, and wouldn't be anywhere near the top 4 without him, but we still should throw the baby out with the bathwater and spend the next 5 years outside the top 8 in rebuild mode, during 5 peak years of GOATcos' career...

The suggestion(at least from myself) is that Collingwood shouldn't neglect the top end of the draft to bring in B-graders to replace their outgoing A-graders, which they've done the past couple of years, despite Naicos being the only first rounder of any value they've brought in this decade.

Either that or they seriously need to invest in their development because there's nothing coming through underneath that looks of any particular high end quality.

 

[Fadge]

Either that or they seriously need to invest in their development because there's nothing coming through underneath that looks of any particular high end quality.

How do you know what is coming through from the last 2 to 3 drafts?

We develop the young kids in the VFL, and they come in when they are ready.

All we need is 2 or 3 non regular players to make it in 2026, and we're set for another year of flag contention.

 

[bzparkes]

How do you know what is coming through from the last 2 to 3 drafts?

We develop the young kids in the VFL, and they come in when they are ready.

All we need is 2 or 3 non regular players to make it in 2026, and we're set for another year of flag contention.

Well the issue is that none of the kids who've actually played for the senior side look like anything more than role-players, at best.

Even your 2 highest picks in recent drafts don't get much of a run.

Ed Allan seemed to be McRae's favourite to sub off during the game and DeMattia hasn't even debuted yet.

Not saying they should be main stayers in the Pies side but they should be getting more of an opportunity to fast track their development, unless they're simply just not good enough to dislodge the old blokes?

Perhaps they will with the extra on the bench next year.

 

[doppleganger]

Not of the quality of what is retiring.

From a club perspective Pendles and Sidey are club legends, but in terms of on-field output they are B graders now.

Howe has been limping to the line.

Sure every team turns over its bottom 4 or 5.

Pies are not about to lose players who aren't up to it. They are players who are 1st choice best 23 players. And help win games.

We did the same thing early 2020s - hence the previous cliff calls.

We let go of players who won club BnFs (Grundy, Adams), Rising Star winner, star mid Treloar (who went on to win AA

And really important senior members of the 18-20 finals squad like Varcoe, Langdon, Mayne, Roughead, Phillips.

It is just a silly position that Collingwood made a PF in 2025 because we were reliant on the same 3 veterans that were driving us in 2018 and thus need to rebuild.

Collingwood (and all clubs) lose quality players all the time, it is only clubs who stuff up who then make the call to bottom out and stock up on kids.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Well it's real simple, judging by how badly that same team fell away in the 2nd half of the H&A season.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Not saying they should be main stayers in the Pies side but they should be getting more of an opportunity to fast track their development, unless they're simply just not good enough to dislodge the old blokes?

That'll probably be next year, this year we went all chips in and didn't find our best form at the right time of year.

That's why we haven't blooded much youf, coz all chips in.

This has been explained before.

This is how it's viewed.

Neutral poster = CLIFF!!!!

Anyone with rational mind = it's an unknown.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

From a club perspective Pendles and Sidey are club legends, but in terms of on-field output they are B graders now.

Howe has been limping to the line.

We did the same thing early 2020s - hence the previous cliff calls.

We let go of players who won club BnFs (Grundy, Adams), Rising Star winner, star mid Treloar (who went on to win AA

And really important senior members of the 18-20 finals squad like Varcoe, Langdon, Mayne, Roughead, Phillips.

It is just a silly position that Collingwood made a PF in 2025 because we were reliant on the same 3 veterans that were driving us in 2018 and thus need to rebuild.

Collingwood (and all clubs) lose quality players all the time, it is only clubs who stuff up who then make the call to bottom out and stock up on kids.

I will ask again how many of the close games would Collingwood have won without Pendles, Sidebottom Howe Elliot in the same side.

 

[Robertio]

I will ask again how many of the close games would Collingwood have won without Pendles, Sidebottom Howe Elliot in the same side.

 

[Ren]

I will ask again how many of the close games would Collingwood have won without Pendles, Sidebottom Howe Elliot in the same side.

Who knows they probably still would have won, they are a well drilled side and its possible others would have stepped up.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Who knows they probably still would have won, they are a well drilled side and its possible others would have stepped up.

Simply not true.

 

[doppleganger]

I will ask again how many of the close games would Collingwood have won without Pendles, Sidebottom Howe Elliot in the same side.

What time period are you talking?
How many close games did we lose with all 4 playing in?
Do we get to bring in replacements, or have to play with less players?

We have won 90% of the games Sidey / Pendles have missed since 2023 - winning 14 of 16 without them.

After Howe broke his arm in 2023 Rd1 against Geelong, he didn't play again until Rd15, by that stage Pies were sitting pretty on top of the ladder with a 11-2 record.

Jamie Elliott missed the entire 2018 season, we played in a GF without him.

 

[Peters_Nuts]

I will ask again how many of the close games would Collingwood have won without Pendles, Sidebottom Howe Elliot in the same side.

Strange to throw Elliott in there. You take a 60 goal forward out of the forward line and safe to assume you’d lose a couple more game. I imagine he’d walk into every forward line in the comp based on last seasons output

 

[Mynamesinuse]

What time period are you talking?
How many close games did we lose with all 4 playing in?
Do we get to bring in replacements, or have to play with less players?

We have won 90% of the games Sidey / Pendles have missed since 2023 - winning 14 of 16 without them.

After Howe broke his arm in 2023 Rd1 against Geelong, he didn't play again until Rd15, by that stage Pies were sitting pretty on top of the ladder with a 11-2 record.

Jamie Elliott missed the entire 2018 season, we played in a GF without him.

I’m saying all of them gone.

 

[Ren]

Simply not true.

Neither is your theory as like i said no one knows

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Strange to throw Elliott in there. You take a 60 goal forward out of the forward line and safe to assume you’d lose a couple more game. I imagine he’d walk into every forward line in the comp based on last seasons output

He’s also 35 this year and that’s the issue.
I wouldn’t get rid of him but he could just as easy retire at the end of the season.