Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

[Knoxy]

You'd be amazed how easy it is to edit screenshots or pdfs of things. Can use Microsoft paint even.

True, but as Norwood1878 mentioned above, surely he must've known that the cops could easily cross-check records.

 

[Munich]

True, but as Norwood1878 mentioned above, surely he must've known that the cops could easily cross-check records.

He prob didn't think it'd get to that stage. Just did it to gaslight the victim into thinking she'd dreamt the whole thing.

She didn't involve police until 13 days later.

 

[Anzacday]

The thing is, it was his mate that lagged him in

Interesting description for a young fella who clearly has some integrity and stood up for his girlfriend?
I’m sure she is extremely grateful for his support, (TS may well have got away with it otherwise).

 

[Norwood1878]

The doctored Uber receipt has been released

 

[Corn Cobbers]

It’s going to be a prison sentence. He was placed in custody after the conviction last week and the judge said a prison sentence was inevitable.

Notwithstanding the crime he has committed, I think the best place for him at the moment would be prison. I think if he was released he might do the unthinkable. 2 days on the front page of the paper, social media etc I would probably do the same.

5 years with 2.5 min the guy said on the podcast just posted

 

[OzeSparky]

So Stephen use to go across the other side of the ground and sulk. Who would of thought?

 

[WillHayward]

I think the damning thing is the call to his mate where he tells his mate to say he went in to her room again after 2am

Why does he do that? No real logical reason for him to do that.
Makes absolutely no sense and doesn't align with "panic".
Aligns with guilt and we know for certain the mate was home at 2am.

 

[Munich]

5 years with 2.5 min the guy said on the podcast just posted

Doesn't seem long enough does it.

He said he'll likely be in Ararat with the sex offenders.

 

[Chief]

I know lie detectors are inadmissible, but I'd love for more victims to take them, and for the public to put pressure on the accused to also take one.

I get what you mean about using them to prove the victim's story but there doesn't seem to be any way to do that with those tests. They have never been shown to work.

 

[LordLucifer]

My mail is 6-8 years.

 

[1970crow]

In addition the defense is already pushing the good family, good home, good rehabilitation prospects.

They’ll be pushing for some sort of non custodial sentence and frankly it wouldn’t shock me if it went that way.

Judges seem to think that any sort of circumstance is ground for lenient sentencing now. Good home, good rehabilitation prospects, no jail time, bad home and upbringing, never stood a chance, no jail time.

I hope I’m wrong.

You’ll be wrong, nothing more certain. But he is likely to get home detention earlier than your typical recidivist tweaker/hardened criminal. Having people like him in prison is a bit of a hassle for the good order of the place. And like it or not, his chances of not continuing to be a danger to society is better than 99% of the deadbeats in prison.

 

[Munich]

My mail is 6-8 years.

Mail?

Do judges give indication of sentence length prior to hearings?

Actually nothing would surprise.

 

[1970crow]

Given the circumstances I can't believe anyone wouldd say she "was asking for it".

It does seem sociopathic behaviour. He's done it close to his girfriend, it was his mates girlfriend or hookup and he knew the girl as well. He's betrayed the trust of those around him at a very minimum. He's done all this to digitally penetrate someone when he's probably just had sex with his girlfriend. Then you have to doctor receipts and invent a web of lies to cover the behaviour. Seems an incredibly bizarre way to want to implode your life.

I’ve read pretty much every post and the first time I saw that was in the post you just quoted.

 

[freemo]

The manner in which TS is described to have committed the act and then attempted to lie his way out of trouble demonstrate a self-confidence in his ability to deceive, persuade, manipulate and convince others; a self-confidence likely acquired from previous success following lesser offences.

 

[1970crow]

it’s nonsense tech and shouldn’t be let within 1000 miles of real evidence.

US Pine Gap employees were required to take a polygraph every 12 months. I’m guessing there’s degrees of nonsense.

 

[Chief]

US Pine Gap employees were required to take a polygraph every 12 months. I’m guessing there’s degrees of nonsense.

The Americans seem to believe the hype over these things.

Might have value in the subject believing it and thus telling the truth.

 

[thumbs_up]

The manner in which TS is described to have committed the act and then attempted to lie his way out of trouble demonstrate a self-confidence in his ability to deceive, persuade, manipulate and convince others; a self-confidence likely acquired from previous success following lesser offences.

I agree. I suspect he's very good at it too. So convincing that his girlfriend is still with him.

He picked the wrong victim this time. Hasn't really been mentioned on here yet but the victim showed a lot of courage and tenacity to pursue this, leading to a rare rape conviction given the circumstances of the offence.

It would have been so easy for her to doubt her own version of events, not pursue charges. But she didn't, she held him accountable for his actions.

 

[WillHayward]

Mail?

Do judges give indication of sentence length prior to hearings?

Actually nothing would surprise.

No but they do use sentencing guidelines. So it should be reasonably predictable because there is supposed to be consistency (obviously no two cases are the same).

But I feel 5-7 is on the cards given the judge will likely say the crime involved deception, premeditation and lack of contrition. That makes the sentence likely to be pretty solid.

 

[WillHayward]

In addition the defense is already pushing the good family, good home, good rehabilitation prospects.

They’ll be pushing for some sort of non custodial sentence and frankly it wouldn’t shock me if it went that way.

Judges seem to think that any sort of circumstance is ground for lenient sentencing now. Good home, good rehabilitation prospects, no jail time, bad home and upbringing, never stood a chance, no jail time.

I hope I’m wrong.

Judge had the option to give him bail after the verdict and before the sentence but elected to lock him up .

So almost certain he is getting jail time.

 

[1970crow]

The Americans seem to believe the hype over these things.

Might have value in the subject believing it and thus telling the truth.

I’m just a bit sceptical that a couple of random posters on BF would have a better idea about the machines than the CIA.

 

[H00t]

The manner in which TS is described to have committed the act and then attempted to lie his way out of trouble demonstrate a self-confidence in his ability to deceive, persuade, manipulate and convince others; a self-confidence likely acquired from previous success following lesser offences.

I have to agree. Especially given how brazen it was especially with his gf in the house at the time.

It seems likely he’s done questionable things before.

 

[WillHayward]

The Americans seem to believe the hype over these things.

Might have value in the subject believing it and thus telling the truth.

Have heard American FBI agents talk about polygraphs.
They usually say the same thing.
They know they aren't reliable for testing for lies or truth.
That's not why they use them
They use them to put pressure on a suspect.
It's more about the theatre of it.
They reason when a suspect is under stress or pressure they are more likely to make a mistake if they have a guilty conscience..
So then they will polygraph then and let them leave and then bug their phone or whatever .
They see if they panic and make a mistake.

 

[OzeSparky]

Judge had the option to give him bail after the verdict and before the sentence but elected to lock him up .

So almost certain he is getting jail time.

And so he should.

 

[WillHayward]

I’m just a bit sceptical that a couple of random posters on BF would have a better idea about the machines than the CIA.

They aren't admissible in US courts.
The CIA know they don't work.
The CIA use them to put pressure on the suspect and get them to crack or make a mistake.
It's more about the guilty conscience.

 

[1970crow]

They aren't admissible in US courts.
The CIA know they don't work.
The CIA use them to put pressure on the suspect and get them to crack or make a mistake.
It's more about the guilty conscience.

The CIA use them on staff.