Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Seeds]

I think the thread is fine. Those who are resolutely anti-Muslim can piss off.

Regards

S. Pete

Im anti muslim. And anti christian. Resolutely anti in regards to the muslim and christian ideologies pushing their fake views (based on the weight of evidence) on children, women and society in general. Very much not anti in the right of christians and muslims to exist and enjoy the same human rights and potential for happiness as everyone else.

We need to seperate the religions from the people that particpate in them. They are not the same thing. Religion is not like race. Being anti religion is not a bad thing. Cos religion is not people. Its false ideology that we can and in my view must shed ourselves from if we want a more tolerant, progressive and happy society.

 

[Vassp]

And ISIS are basically not accepted as Muslim, so it's not relevant anyway.

I agree with all your points expect 4.

People have the right to protest about whatever they want. Has to be done in a peaceful way though & anyone stepping out of line needs to face the consequences.

The problem is that protesting about foreign events, is more than likely never going to be peaceful.

Once you allow those gates open, you're just fueling the flames.

 

[Seeds]

Do we actually know why the eldest shooter died? From the video he was unarmed. Did he go get new guns after the video and was killed in a police shootout? Did he attack a police officer with a knife? Or was he shot without any weopans? Seems to be some key missing information that we arent hearing about.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Do we actually know why the eldest shooter died? From the video he was unarmed. Did he go get new guns after the video and was killed in a police shootout? Did he attack a police officer with a knife? Or was he shot without any weopans? Seems to be some key missing information that we arent hearing about.

I think it's safe to say that he died suddenly.

 

[Deliverance]

Yep. And he rightly highlights the measured intelligent statement put out by the Jewish Council of Australia that I linked a few days back not long after the tragedy and which it has now expanded on to include these observations:

“Responses to this terrorist attack should be squarely focused on keeping Jewish people and all communities safe, not fulfilling a pro-Israel wishlist.”

“Jewish people, and people from every single racialised group, deserve safety, and we deserve solutions that truly deliver it. Our safety and the safety of every other marginalised group go hand in hand. We need to be strengthening connections between communities and cultivating grassroots efforts to tackle racism at its core.”

"The Jewish Council urges the Prime Minister to ensure that the Government’s response remains grounded in evidence, focused on prevention, the widest possible consultation and committed to unity."

If our media, including the ABC, are serious about getting an understanding of the response to this tragedy from those most affected and providing the Australian community with a proper understanding of the facts of the situation then why are they not quoting those sources instead of the likes of former politicians like Josh Frydenberg and John Howard?

To labour the point - why do they play the role of the Pavlov's Dogs (get my dog whistling reference) whenever John Howard is rolled out by conservatives want to light up their ageing and dwindling supporter base? What possible relevance does he have in 2025?

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The answer is of course - their interest is in promoting clicks and division for their feeds and TV news services and not one bit interested in informing.

We can sadly expect this from the commercial Nine and Seven media networks and, of course, the bilious Murdoch press. But to see the taxpayer funded ABC play the same game, with a few noted exceptions, is completely unacceptable.

Howard is relevant because he helped ISIS to originate.

 

[Deliverance]

Im anti muslim. And anti christian. Resolutely anti in regards to the muslim and christian ideologies pushing their fake views (based on the weight of evidence) on children, women and society in general. Very much not anti in the right of christians and muslims to exist and enjoy the same human rights and potential for happiness as everyone else.

We need to seperate the religions from the people that particpate in them. They are not the same thing. Religion is not like race. Being anti religion is not a bad thing. Cos religion is not people. Its false ideology that we can and in my view must shed ourselves from if we want a more tolerant, progressive and happy society.

Careful, you'll be on a watchlist with talk like that, when Segal gets her way.

 

[Festerz]

The problem is that protesting about foreign events, is more than likely never going to be peaceful.

Once you allow those gates open, you're just fueling the flames.

Australia has involved itself in so many foreign events - US led conflicts in Vietnam War, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan in recent history for example - that citizen protests against our Government's policies and complicity in atrocities in foreign lands has become an important part of our culture.

It's especially important given that an Australian Government can declare war or hostilities against any foreign entiry or elected government without the support of the Parliament.

Heck former PM Morrison was so respectful of the Australian Parliament and Australian people that he announced the biggest pivot in our nation's defence and strategic policy (AUKUS) via a video conference with the US and UK leaders while most of us in Australia were asleep in our beds.

Any policy to restrict or eliminate the right of Australians to peacefully protest against the actions of our government on these things threatens our democracy imho.

 

[peternorth]

Meanwhile the neo nazi movement are sitting back watching their enemies box on.

 

[Sphynx]

Gee this sounds good…

“Heavily armed tactical police have swooped on a group of men in Sydney’s southwest

The Australian reports the group of men were reportedly on their way to Bondi Beach from Melbourne before officers swooped in and detained the group on a busy street in Liverpool

In a chaotic chain of events, a police LandCruiser was used to ram a white Hyundai carrying the men.

Tactical officers wearing camouflage and protective gear and carrying rifles were then seen jumping out of a vehicle, detaining the men on a sidewalk.

NewsWire understands the tactical police were acting on intelligence from ASIO.”

 

[Gough]

Gee this sounds good…

“Heavily armed tactical police have swooped on a group of men in Sydney’s southwest

The Australian reports the group of men were reportedly on their way to Bondi Beach from Melbourne before officers swooped in and detained the group on a busy street in Liverpool

In a chaotic chain of events, a police LandCruiser was used to ram a white Hyundai carrying the men.

Tactical officers wearing camouflage and protective gear and carrying rifles were then seen jumping out of a vehicle, detaining the men on a sidewalk.

NewsWire understands the tactical police were acting on intelligence from ASIO.”

Is this not cracking down on possible antisemitism hard enough for you?

 

[Sphynx]

Is this not cracking down on possible antisemitism hard enough for you?

You sound disappointed these ones were caught?

 

[Juddism]

Gee this sounds good…

“Heavily armed tactical police have swooped on a group of men in Sydney’s southwest

The Australian reports the group of men were reportedly on their way to Bondi Beach from Melbourne before officers swooped in and detained the group on a busy street in Liverpool

In a chaotic chain of events, a police LandCruiser was used to ram a white Hyundai carrying the men.

Tactical officers wearing camouflage and protective gear and carrying rifles were then seen jumping out of a vehicle, detaining the men on a sidewalk.

NewsWire understands the tactical police were acting on intelligence from ASIO.”


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As if they were up to anything good.

Cut their ****ing hands off.

 

[Elixuh]

I think albo is a weak leader, minns would do a better job. Glad they are mass banning protests. Everyone needs to chill out a bit.

Everything’s relative. I think he’s a good leader relative to the last 5 or so PMs.

 

[Juddism]

If these clowns have come from Melb then you can bet they all know each other in some way, need to be very careful, for sure they will know others and probably NYE is the real target.

 

[Juddism]

Everything’s relative. I think he’s a good leader relative to the last 5 or so PMs.

Mate, this is the first time it's ever happened here on this scale, It's impossible to know how to react. If Dutton was PM and this occurred then what is the difference? You cannot blame the government. This is a 24 year old kid who probably wasn't smart enough to be anything more than a brickie and ended up a terrorist.

 

[Sphynx]

If these clowns have come from Melb then you can bet they all know each other in some way, need to be very careful, for sure they will know others and probably NYE is the real target.

Nah mate, all dressed in black, media reporting possible weapons, all sporting Sunnah beards, ASIO saying their destination was Bondi pavillion.

Sounds like your average right wing extremist to me.

 

[Gough]

You sound disappointed these ones were caught?

I'm not the one suggesting it sounds good in the first place.

 

[Markfs]

Yikes, that's an awful comparison. Zionism originates in a justified movement for a Jewish homeland in Israel, formed as a response to antisemitism, and remains a core belief held by most Jewish people. Modern-day Israel for mine has shifted Zionism away from its original purpose. Bibi and his goons are reprehensible, but equating them with violent fringe extremists like ISIS is waaaaay out on the full.

you wouldnt call the attempts to kill or force palestinians out of gaza and the west bank as violent? Of course not. Shalom

 

[RubyLovesTheDees]

Everything’s relative. I think he’s a good leader relative to the last 5 or so PMs.

dutton/scomo are far worse

 

[RubyLovesTheDees]

Gee this sounds good…

“Heavily armed tactical police have swooped on a group of men in Sydney’s southwest

The Australian reports the group of men were reportedly on their way to Bondi Beach from Melbourne before officers swooped in and detained the group on a busy street in Liverpool

In a chaotic chain of events, a police LandCruiser was used to ram a white Hyundai carrying the men.

Tactical officers wearing camouflage and protective gear and carrying rifles were then seen jumping out of a vehicle, detaining the men on a sidewalk.

NewsWire understands the tactical police were acting on intelligence from ASIO.”


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was this going to be another attack?

 

[RubyLovesTheDees]

Im anti muslim. And anti christian. Resolutely anti in regards to the muslim and christian ideologies pushing their fake views (based on the weight of evidence) on children, women and society in general. Very much not anti in the right of christians and muslims to exist and enjoy the same human rights and potential for happiness as everyone else.

We need to seperate the religions from the people that particpate in them. They are not the same thing. Religion is not like race. Being anti religion is not a bad thing. Cos religion is not people. Its false ideology that we can and in my view must shed ourselves from if we want a more tolerant, progressive and happy society.

How do you know it's false and life wasn't created? Science doesn't know what existed pre big bang.

 

[Vassp]

Australia has involved itself in so many foreign events - US led conflicts in Vietnam War, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan in recent history for example - that citizen protests against our Government's policies and complicity in atrocities in foreign lands has become an important part of our culture.

It's especially important given that an Australian Government can declare war or hostilities against any foreign entiry or elected government without the support of the Parliament.

Heck former PM Morrison was so respectful of the Australian Parliament and Australian people that he announced the biggest pivot in our nation's defence and strategic policy (AUKUS) via a video conference with the US and UK leaders while most of us in Australia were asleep in our beds.

Any policy to restrict or eliminate the right of Australians to peacefully protest against the actions of our government on these things threatens our democracy imho.

yep, you're not wrong, i dont disagree, I think we need to set a boundary somewhere.

We protested against Australian involvement. What if we are not involved in any wars?
which is pretty much my point. Protest Australian affairs sure. but world events having nothing to do with us? not so sure.

 

[Wce17]

Meanwhile the neo nazi movement are sitting back watching their enemies box on.

They can GTFO aswell. Thomas Sewell should also be deported ASAP. Target ALL hate

 

[_Cerberus_]

So I have been following a coalition of Jewish groups all day. And they all requested a meeting with the government face to face about how to properly address antisemistism in a unifying way back in November. But apparently Segal used her position to have then excluded from any voice.

So many of those Jewish people have spent the last few days posting in comment sections on FB, and sending direct messages to members of the Liberal, Nationals, One Nation, and some Murdoch writers. Expressing their disgust at the way they have behaved during the last few days, and that they represent a very large group of Jews in Australia. All of them are getting blocked with zero replies according to a few.

So here you have it. The right wing of Australia claim to be passionate against antisemitism, but are ignoring and blocking a coalition of Jewish groups from calling them out. And not allowing many to have a voice. Disgrace.

Goes to show this was never about antisemistism, but protecting a war criminal and rich lobby groups who fund the Liberals to control the narrative.

Why are they too scared to respond to a particular, yet large section of the Jewish community?

 

[Elixuh]

Mate, this is the first time it's ever happened here on this scale, It's impossible to know how to react. If Dutton was PM and this occurred then what is the difference? You cannot blame the government. This is a 24 year old kid who probably wasn't smart enough to be anything more than a brickie and ended up a terrorist.

I was speaking generally, not limited to Albo response to this tragedy.