Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Seeds]

You just have to look at this thread to see how low the bar is for acceptance of Islamic fundamentalism in this country. 16 Jews killed at a social event and this thread is still primarily in talks about how bad Israel... I don't give a f*k about Israel, and this incident isn't about Israel, this is about Islamic extremism on our streets, and until people acknowledge that, and call it out, our society will continue to degrade, bollards will continue to be dropped onto our streets to protect Christmas Markets, Australia Day events, New Years eve fireworks etc, and Australia - the Australia that allows all these bleeding hart morons to feign their morality and acceptance, will be destroyed.

The Australian Government will pretend to bring in laws to address this, they will 'tighten' hate speech, but those laws will only be used to target right wing voices and people critical of the government. Meanwhile foreign nationals will continue to call for Islamic violence to be enacted against us, and those in this thread will continue to to support their right to do so, because apparently due to our inherent white guilt we deserve to be killed, abused and intimidated by fundamentalist Islam.

The death of Australia lies not in the hands of those two insane gunmen from last weekend - it lies in the hands of Albanese and every lefty so full of hate that they welcome the destruction of Australian lives.

Im a little concerned about how vague they are being about what constitutes hate speech and do worry its going to target critical thinking from philisophers and displays of protest against government policies. However, they have clearly stated that part of the hate speech crackdown will be targetted against preachers which is clearly focussed on islamic preachers.

I also have found a lot of ring wing commentators are trying to make this about palestine to justify condemning albanese even though it has nothing to do with Palestine.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Im a little comcerned about how vague they are being about what constitutes hate speech and do worry its going to target critical thinking from philisophers and displays of protest against government policies. However, they have clearly stated that part of the hate speech crackdown will be targetted against preachers which is clearly focussed on islamic preachers.

I will believe it when I see it.

 

[Markfs]

Was a groundswell of sentiment to anti-semitism which culminated in a terrorist attack? Undoubtedly!

Within the "years of peaceful" protests, there were people yelling "Where are the Jews?", calls for an intifada, the displaying of Hamas and Hezbolah flags, the selling of merchandise with the Hamas logo and the chanting and selling of merchandise stating "From the river to the sea".

The "minor vandalism" included arson on a brewery (police think it was supposed to be the adjacent kosher deli), then a successful arson attack on a kosher deli, Woollahra has had anti-semitic graffiti and torched vehicles multiple times and the Adass Israel synagog was firebombed. And all this happened before 2025, where there was a string of similar incidents, leading up to the clash in Bondi on September 7 and the terrorist attack December 14.

Contrast this behaviour to the war running roughly parallel with this one, being the Ukraine / Russia "special military operation". We had some protests in 2022, but they have all but dried up. There was no undercurrent of support for threats against the Australian Russian community. No anti-Russian graffiti. No firebombing of Russian orthodox churches. No Ukrainian orthodox priests spitting vile hatred towards "The Russians". No declaration of intifada. Or equivalent 'river to the sea' rhetoric.

It's chalk and cheese! And yet Ukraine has done literally nothing wrong other than not be a puppet government for Russia and risk bringing NATO to Russia's doorstep, whereas the leaders of Gaza were actively engaging in the war crime of holding civilian hostages for the past 2 years.

It's worth noting that I can't recall any protests by the Palestinian community about the Assad regime's treatment of 500,000 of Syria's Palestinian refugees around 2014, which involved mass displacement, direct murder and starvation. This was actual ethnic cleansing and genocide. Yet if Israel are involved in anything, we need to close the CBD. Why is that?

It is also worth noting that there are those in the 'tea cozy hat' wearing brigade from Brunswick and Fitzroy only sew on Palestinian flags when Israel are involved. Where were they during the Syrian treatment of the Palestinian refugees? Did they hit the streets weekly when the Turks displaced and murdered the Kurds just 5 years ago? Why is that?

So what could the leaders have done differently?

I am loathe to prevent free speech and the right to protest, but surely there has to be a limit on having week, upon week, upon week of protests. There is no doubt that whilst there are many well-intended peace-seeking protesters, these repeated protests bred an undercurrent of hatred towards Jews from those within the protests who can't differentiate between Israel, Israel's government, Judaism and those of Jewish ethnicity (who might even be anti-Zionists and against Israel's government).

In addition, it is financially an abnormal burden on any city to police weekly or biweekly. But more importantly, it acts as a mantra empowering those who are on the cusp of vandalism, arson and terrorist actions.

Another thing is that the PM and Premiers all condemned threats, attacks, graffiti, arson, fire-bombings and terror attacks in retrospect. But even then, these condemnations felt like they were 'doorstop' interviews that carried little weight. We don't have formal televised US style Presidential addresses, but why not? There is something more focussed about a leader staring down the barrel of a camera to talk directly to the people, explain why there is currently an influx of anti-semitism and why it is wrong, misguided and 'un-Auatralian' to target Australian jews as a result of a war half a world away.

If addressing the nation directly is too hard, then maybe an advertising campaign educating people that Australian Jews should not be the 'whipping boy' for frustrations wouldn't hurt either.

Ultimately, the effort towards messaging simply needed to be more concerted. It may not have prevented this recent attack, but it sure as shit wouldn't have hurt.

More education campaigns are planned. The envoy has directed the gov't to implement them.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I will believe it when I see it.

Where are you getting all your hate from, if not a preacher?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Where are you getting all your hate from, if not a preacher?

Literally people like you. I sit here and see all the hate and vitriol left-wing posters on this board post (who are presumably everyday Australians) and I think, god - if this is how spiteful and the vile the average Naarmite is, Australia is truly lost.

 

[Markfs]

I'd like to see the murdoch press banned as part of a crackdown on hate speech. In the past, there were laws against foreign ownership of news media but the thinking that promoted that view appears to have vanished.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I'd like to see the murdoch press banned as part of a crackdown on hate speech. In the past, there were laws against foreign ownership of news media but the thinking that promoted that view appears to have vanished.

I'd like to see the ABC shut down. Won't happen though.

 

[Bloods86]

It's worth noting that I can't recall any protests by the Palestinian community about the Assad regime's treatment of 500,000 of Syria's Palestinian refugees around 2014, which involved mass displacement, direct murder and starvation. This was actual ethnic cleansing and genocide. Yet if Israel are involved in anything, we need to close the CBD. Why is that?

I can think of several fairly obvious reasons, though they wouldn't represent 100% of protestors.

Australia, and some of our more powerful allies, particularly the US, are seen as allies and strong supporters of Israel. So when the Israeli government does unhinged things, people would see our government as someone/something to protest to in order to influence both our actions toward Israel and to push for an end to their actions. Perhaps there's some naivety that the current Israeli government would actually listen to us, or on how much sway we hold over them. If the end game is to somehow influence the US in taking a hard-line stance against Israel's actions, then good luck.

Israel/Palestine has long captivated, in the media and society, a large interest. A connection or fondness with Israel exists to a fair extent in Christian circles for example. So this means media attention and then further societal attention, whether it's pro Israeli government actions or not, on what is currently happening involving Israel/Gaza.

The Israeli government's (and expansionist settler) actions are ethnic cleansing and genocidal, so no need for the "actual".

 

[Markfs]

I'd like to see the ABC shut down. Won't happen though.

if i were you, I'd see that the ABC has been compromised enough to be ineffective against your interests.

 

[FIGJAM]

Hmm democratic right to lawful and peaceful protest going out the window. Don’t see how this is a good thing.

Isn't Minns just requesting that protests can be delayed in the event that there has been a terrorist attack from a broader public sensitivity and safety aspect?

As I said in my TLDR post above, I'm loathe to mess with freedom of speech and right to protest, but there surely has to be some times where postponing protests is reasonable.

Further to that, there should also be a fair and reasonable restriction on the amount of disruptive protests for the same cause.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Literally people like you. I sit here and see all the hate and vitriol left-wing posters on this board post (who are presumably everyday Australians) and I think, god - if this is how spiteful and the vile the average Naarmite is, Australia is truly lost.

Dude, you are running promo for Netanyahu and Trump. You are clearly not concerned with Australia's best interests.

 

[Markfs]

I'd like to see the ABC shut down. Won't happen though.

Something to bring a smile to your face. The tide is turning...

Albo media states..

"The Albanese Government thanks Australia’s Special Envoy to Combat Antisemitism, Ms Jillian Segal AO, for the Special Envoy’s Plan to Combat Antisemitism (The Plan), and her continued work to eradicate antisemitism in Australia.

The Australian Government adopts the Plan to Combat Antisemitism. We have already legislated for hate speech, hate crimes hate symbols and doxxing. We have also undertaken education action, including appointing a Student Ombudsman.

We will continue to work through the implementation of the 13 recommendations in consultation with the Jewish Australian community and our Special Envoy."

 

[Markfs]

Dude, you are running promo for Netanyahu and Trump. You are clearly not concerned with Australia's best interests.

not an unusual theme in aus and US politics in the last 2 years...if not longer

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Dude, you are running promo for Netanyahu and Trump. You are clearly not concerned with Australia's best interests.

When have I ever said anything pro-Israel lol.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Where are you getting all your hate from, if not a preacher?

what he no doubt classes as mainstream media (Sky news, Murdoch, OAN)

 

[Ghost Patrol]

When have I ever said anything pro-Israel lol.

So it's just coincidence that your rhetoric rhymes with Bibi's?

 

[PenskeFile]

Blaming politicians for this is not helpful, just like people protesting against genocide and the deliberate starving of millions of people has nothing to do with this.

 

[Elixuh]

Isn't Minns just requesting that protests can be delayed in the event that there has been a terrorist attack from a broader public sensitivity and safety aspect?

As I said in my TLDR post above, I'm loathe to mess with freedom of speech and right to protest, but there surely has to be some times where postponing protests is reasonable.

Further to that, there should also be a fair and reasonable restriction on the amount of disruptive protests for the same cause.

Erosion of democratic freedoms can happen slowly and then all at once.

 

[Markfs]

I can think of several fairly obvious reasons, though they wouldn't represent 100% of protestors.

Australia, and some of our more powerful allies, particularly the US, are seen as allies and strong supporters of Israel. So when the Israeli government does unhinged things, people would see our government as someone/something to protest to in order to influence both our actions toward Israel and to push for an end to their actions. Perhaps there's some naivety that the current Israeli government would actually listen to us, or on how much sway we hold over them. If the end game is to somehow influence the US in taking a hard-line stance against Israel's actions, then good luck.

Israel/Palestine has long captivated, in the media and society, a large interest. A connection or fondness with Israel exists to a fair extent in Christian circles for example. So this means media attention and then further societal attention, whether it's pro Israeli government actions or not, on what is currently happening involving Israel/Gaza.

The Israeli government's (and expansionist settler) actions are ethnic cleansing and genocidal, so no need for the "actual".

You make a good point. There are two aspects to australians protesting
1. Protesting to the israeli gov't that they dont want children's heads blown off
2. Protesting to our own gov't that no matter the political or economic costs, the protestors don't want Australia to be associated with a gov't that blows children's heads off.

One can clearly see that the second aspect is an internal matter to Australia.

Please excuse the expressive language...

 

[FreoRicci]

Blaming politicians for this is not helpful, just like people protesting against genocide and the deliberate starving of millions of people has nothing to do with this.

Don’t get how Albanese gets all the flak?
It’s not like the previous liberal governments did anything.
ScoMo was a joke, Abbott couldn’t have given a ****. John Howard used boat people drowning as a way to win votes. Both liberal and Labor wouldn’t have done a thing to prevent this.

Pretty clear overseas politics has entered Australia.

 

[Markfs]

Don’t get how Albanese gets all the flak?
It’s not like the previous liberal governments did anything.
ScoMo was a joke, Abbott couldn’t have given a ****. John Howard used boat people drowning as a way to win votes. Both liberal and Labor wouldn’t have done a thing to prevent this.

Pretty clear overseas politics has entered Australia.

I have to disagree with you, freo. Scomo and Abbott are firm israeli supporters. Both are spoken about fondly in the israeli media. The photo is from yesterday.

 

[Gethelred]

That pompous little rant doesn’t make me any less right…. And says a lot about YOU

This is rather juvenile.

Keep showing us all how full of virtue you are, Mr Blicavs. If you don't keep shouting at the top of your lungs, however will we all hear it?

 

[Festerz]

For context it’s stated in the responses on X this is a mall in Tel Aviv. And the candles are not a specific memorial for the Bondi massacre victims but a display for Hanukkah.

Regardless, I’m sure we could each find videos of random acts of idiocy and disrespect from individuals from every nation and culture in the world.

The smart thing would be to be to understand this and not repost them as if they represent the values and behaviours of the majority.

Especially in a thread like this one.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Don’t get how Albanese gets all the flak?
It’s not like the previous liberal governments did anything.
ScoMo was a joke, Abbott couldn’t have given a ****. John Howard used boat people drowning as a way to win votes. Both liberal and Labor wouldn’t have done a thing to prevent this.

Pretty clear overseas politics has entered Australia.

These people were radicalised in Australia. It would be naive to think they were the only ones.

Morrison was immigration minister during the rise of ISIS and a member of the security committee for nine years. He is calling for Muslim leaders to better protect their young men from what he calls “the wolves” at the door.

“Australian Muslims, especially young men, are a target for extremists and fanatics who want to take advantage of what begins as a sincere faith. They must be protected by their religious leaders to guide their faith in a positive direction.”

 

[Bloods86]

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I have to disagree with you, freo. Scomo and Abbott are firm israeli supporters. Both are spoken about fondly in the israeli media. The photo is from yesterday.

Not sure you've interpreted Freo's post correctly. They are commenting on the attacks and who is getting the blame.

Being big supporters of the Israeli government and being spoken about fondly in Israeli media isn't equivalent to combating anti-semitism or Islamic extremism, such that these attacks would be less likely.