Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Festerz]

Similar to a HR dept that outsources a disciplinary inquiry to an "independent" investigator.

No - not even close.

This page might help you understand the role of Royal Commissions, their judicial independence and what they have done in the past to shine a light on major issues - independent of the executive arm of government and political interference.

https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/about-royal-commissions

 

[Carringbush2010]

If you guys could read, it would clear a lot of things up for you.

Islamic extremism and terrorism is bad, and it exists in Australia.

This does not mean the whole Muslim community needs to be stigmatised and berated for it.

The post you replied to does not infer as such.

Society as a whole does not.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

oversee is a word that basically means supervise. i wont bother to go further.

No it means observe the procedures, evidence and findings

 

[Markfs]

A general question - what do you think the average, non political Australian person thinks of Bondi and the governments response.

I ask this because I was talking to an (older) person yesterday who was horrified by the shootings but who then added "i wish they wouldn't bring their conflict here"

I wonder if this the majority (silent) opinion? That a lot of people are over it all and dont want to be dragged into picking a side. If this is even half way correct, im not sure the tactics taken by the LNP are going to resonate with the public in the way they expect.

ask your older person whether australia should be involved in weapons sales. Whether Australia can follow the US into conflicts into foreign lands, etc. Where does the isolation begin?

 

[Markfs]

No it means observe the procedures, evidence and findings

maybe in the english used in the western suburbs

 

[ferball]

I think anyone who goes into bat for guns should also be sticking up for the rights of everybody to own and use bombs.

Surely bombs also have a useful practical application in many specific industries too? eg. building dams, clearing obstructions for roads, constructing tunnels, digging mining shafts etc.

If somehow these explosive devices fall into the hands of those with sinister intentions, or someone blows themselves up through clumsiness or deliberate self harm, it's not the fault of the bomb.

Using the same logic as those endorsing gun ownership, bombs don't kill people - people kill people.

It'd also be really handy for whenever someone threatens to blow me up, I'll also be armed with a bomb and might be able to blow them up first.

Ever had to remove a large old tree stump from a paddock?

 

[Markfs]

No - not even close.

This page might help you understand the role of Royal Commissions, their judicial independence and what they have done in the past to shine a light on major issues - independent of the executive arm of government and political interference.

https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/about-royal-commissions

the port adelaide site gives glowingly positive reviews on the club's output...

 

[Festerz]

Slowly, finally intelligent, accountable journalism, analysis and reflection is seeping through on mainstream media.

 

[Markfs]

Interesting article by a couple of rupert's lovechildren where they laud the NSW Supermax prison system and how it will isolate the accused gunman.

At the end of the article, they note the current Supermax number 1 prisoner, bassam hamzy, but they fail to grasp the irony of referring to his "continuing to run criminal operations from within the prison". Claytons isolation, it would seem. I love and support newscorp cadets.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/bondi-terror-suspect-naveed-akram-headed-to-supermax-isolation-hell-if-found-guilty/news-story/e4f6cfbc2c3d24c9fa2f1cf340f40839

 

[ferball]

As expected this thread has become a mud slinging back and forth about left v right ideology bullshit.

It isn't about that, even though it may appear to have overlap, not the point.

Burgess the head of Asio has admitted that Asio knew, since 2019, that one of the perpetrators had ties or sympathy with isis. (correct me if wrong or supply a more detailed position).

Even if there are no 'laws' to, for want of a better term 'contain' or 'not allow' this person to committ this heinous act. How has been able to come to pass even with the intel Asio had?

Why is it that it seems more important to allow liberal freedom for someone to murder people instead curtailing what seems to be a likely threat to members of society than to members of society's safety?

IMHO neo liberalism has taken hold to allow this to happen, we've become a society where deterrence and consequence for anti social and life threatening behavior has become non existent and Anarchy and hate has been allowed to fester as a result.

But it's ok, at least no one has been offended, don't worry about the dead people, let's not offend anyone - most important.

We treat people who hate with 'you have rights even though we know you hate, so we'll wait til you do something before we do anything'

^It starts and ends here^

This is the impression I get.

Not immigration, not the scary brown people, not the every single white person is bigoted, not irrational progressives, not self centred ahole extreme right wingers, not mysoginists, not misandrists, not terfs, not homophobes, not the muslims, not the jews.

Our liberal democratic society seems to treat the symptoms after the fact, rather than address the causes. Leniency has increased to a point of anarchy.

Is this for real?

Are you saying people should be arrested and charged for things they haven't done yet and may never do? That they should be considered guilty of thoughtcrime without proof they've done anything?

How's this gonna work without completely destroying liberal democratic values and if you have to that haven't the terrorists won?

 

[Grumpyshades]

If you guys could read, it would clear a lot of things up for you.

Islamic extremism and terrorism is bad, and it exists in Australia.

This does not mean the whole Muslim community needs to be stigmatised and berated for it.

stigmatized..I can read and spell
maybe try facts instead of pathetic shaming tactics

 

[Grumpyshades]

The post you replied to does not infer as such.

Society as a whole does not.

as I stated pure deflection

 

[Festerz]

Is this for real?

Are you saying people should be arrested and charged for things they haven't done yet and may never do? That they should be considered guilty of thoughtcrime without proof they've done anything?

How's this gonna work without completely destroying liberal democratic values and if you have to that haven't the terrorists won?

Thinking people across the globe regardless of their religious faith understand this simple truth.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

yep deflection, denial and damage control
Once again their little fairytales they cling to got exploded last Sunday night

Virtually every terrorist cell in Australia is Islamic based. The police have already stopped another potential terrorist attack since Sunday

Since 1980 over 80% of terror attacks world wide have been Islamic

Yet its not a problem according to people on this board. Embarrassing denial

In part, you are correct. The application of the word "terrorism", at least in Western society, has been fashioned so as to represent attacks almost solely by Islamists. Whereas other similar attacks by non-Islamists rarely get labeled as "terrorism".

Port Arthur, Hoddle Street, Russell Street, Dezi Freeman, James Gargasoulas and countless other non-Islamic mass murders have never been branded as "terrorism", despite having similar intentions and outcomes of Islamist attacks. All of those ram raids on people in other Western countries are rarely referred to as terrorist attacks, unless perpetrated by Islamists. In February that Swedish bloke shot 10 people, deliberately targeting immigrants, yet few publications ever referred to this as a terrorist attack.

Victoria had had over 100 attacks - from vandalism to many incidence of fire-bombing - on tobacco shops in the past few years. There is allegedly pretty strong underworld and bikie gang associations to these many attacks targeting specific a industry, yet not a single one of them has ever been labeled as "terrorism". If these exact attacks had been perpetrated on McDonalds or kosher restaurants, there's no doubt that they'd immediately be labeled "terrorism".

So yes, in the Western translation of the word, Islamists have been responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks. The actual terminology has evolved that way.

 

[RCAB]

yep deflection, denial and damage control
Once again their little fairytales they cling to got exploded last Sunday night

Virtually every terrorist cell in Australia is Islamic based. The police have already stopped another potential terrorist attack since Sunday

Since 1980 over 80% of terror attacks world wide have been Islamic

Yet its not a problem according to people on this board. Embarrassing denial

Where did you get your numbers from? Especially the 80% figure?

Australia has had 100 terrorism incidents since the 1970s, and not “mostly Islamist”.

The majority numerically are not Islamist at all.

Separatist bombings, far-right violence, racist arsons, political sabotage, anti-abortion terror, lone grievance actors.

Islamist inspired attacks are concentrated after ~2014, are fewer in number, but higher impact, which creates a recency and media bias.

If Islamism were a rigid and dominant driver, we’d see continuous escalation. Instead, the last 7–8 years have been relatively quiet by historical standards.

So “virtually every terrorist cell” and “80% since 1980” are simply false once you include the full dataset, not cherry-picked years.

You're basically another person with grievance and with the same rhetorical monolithic takedown that's prevalent in this thread.


I'll address something that was addressed before by a previous poster...

There is nothing unique about Islamic extremism being “rigid”. History is full of rigid ideologies:

white nationalism

ethno-nationalism

revolutionary communism

theocratic Christianity

state militarism


They all radicalise under oppression and dehumanisation. Pretending Islamism is some special category just avoids asking why radicalisation happened in the first place.

You can’t talk about “terror” only when non-state actors do it... if terrorism is violence against civilians to achieve political aims, then states do it too.

The IDF, the US, and Australia all engage in acts that meet the functional definition of terror... they’re just called security operations or collateral damage.

It's this assymetrical nature of how language is owned that causes grievances to get worse and accelerates radicalisation.



Just like October 7th, Bondi didn’t happen in a vacuum. Bondi wasn’t caused by tolerance of Muslims. It was the end-point of:

identity-based dehumanisation + grievance + moral permission for violence.

So you're clear in what I'm saying:

Tolerance of Muslims is not a plausible variable. A cause must predict an outcome.
If "tolerance of Muslims" caused terrorism, then:

more tolerance equals more attacks

less tolerance equals fewer attacks

But the evidence runs the opposite way.


The most repressive, anti-Muslim, surveillance-heavy environments in the world still produce Islamist violence. Periods of lower tolerance and higher hostility historically correlate with more radicalisation, not less.

Countries with strong civil liberties and integration tend to have lower per-capita radical violence than those that criminalise identity. This is not disputed.


That same mechanism operates:

in jihadist attacks

in white supremacist violence

in Gaza

in state militaries when civilian deaths are rationalised




Here is the biggest irony with your framing Grumpyshades and the people that agree with you...

Absolutism creates the thing you claim to oppose.


Blaming entire communities using the same logic extremists use doesn’t reduce terror, it reproduces it.

History shows repeatedly that repression causes suffering and grievance, which then turns into radicalisation which ultimately turns into violence. Violence then restarts the cycle.


IF YOU’RE SERIOUS about stopping terrorism, you deal with conditions and structures, not slogans and lazy thought out scapegoats.

 

[campbell]

royal commissions can be useful in investigating issues where people give evidence under oath, and where commission investigators have powers to uncover hard to access information. of course, it is also useful for gov't wanting to shift the blame.

Why do we need a Royal Commission?

 

[Festerz]

Good decision.



In a statement, Albanese said:

The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet will examine whether federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies have the right powers, structures, processes and sharing arrangements in place to keep Australians safe in the wake of the horrific antisemitic Bondi Beach terrorist attack.

The ISIS-inspired atrocity last Sunday reinforces the rapidly changing security environment in our nation. Our security agencies must be in the best position to respond.

The review will be led by Dennis Richardson – a former Secretary of the Department of Defence, former Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, and former Intelligence Chief.

The review will build on the work of the Independent Intelligence Review, conducted by Richard Maude and Heather Smith.

The review will be provided to the government by the end of April 2026 and will be made publicly available.

 

[Festerz]

Despite fierce opposition from the NSW Premier and NSW Police, former Deputy PM, National Leader and now One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce intends to lead an anti-immigration rally in Sydney this afternoon - exactly a week after the Bondi massacre.

Shameful actions designed to stir up even more racial tension and hatred for political gain.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

If you guys could read, it would clear a lot of things up for you.

Islamic extremism and terrorism is bad, and it exists in Australia.

This does not mean the whole Muslim community needs to be stigmatised and berated for it.

That’s all you had to say…

 

[ferball]

That’s all you had to say…

You don't think this bit matters?

This does not mean the whole Muslim community needs to be stigmatised and berated for it.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yet its not a problem according to people on this board. Embarrassing denial

What a joke of a post.

I haven’t seen anyone saying it’s “not a problem”.

But you and your mob want wholesale slander of 800,000 Muslim Australians and even then you won’t be happy.

 

[faible]

You don't think this bit matters?

This does not mean the whole Muslim community needs to be stigmatised and berated for it.

Of course they never say the same thing when’s it Christian extremism, or white nationalism.

 

[Festerz]

The ASIO Chief has released a statement following the announcement of an inquiry into intelligence actions prior to last Sunday's massacre:

 

[DapperDon]

Despite fierce opposition from the NSW Premier and NSW Police, former Deputy PM, National Leader and now One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce intends to lead an anti-immigration rally in Sydney this afternoon - exactly a week after the Bondi massacre.

Shameful actions designed to stir up even more racial tension and hatred for political gain.

Those 3 mics front and centre says quite a bit.

Avi the convicted wife basher rebel news
Sky News who publicly supported Bruce Lehrmann
Convicted War Criminal Ben Roberts-Smith backer ch7

 

[ferball]

Of course they never say the same thing when’s it Christian extremism, or white nationalism.

Islamic heroism is fantastic, and it exists in Australia.