Test The Ashes Third Test December 17-21 1000hrs @ The Adelaide Oval

[Young Redleg]

I hope Howie loses his voice he was annoying this test

His wankfest for the English cricket team was on par with Mel Jones in the 2023 series

 

[bluespooner]

Harry Brook has all the talent in the world. Could be the next Root or Smith.

Bazball is consigning him to be the next Damien Martyn.

I don't think Brook has all the talent in the world and nor do I believe the hyperbole of the English press stating that man for man they are a more talented side than Australia.

As for Damien Martyn he was a supreme talent who probably under-performed based on his ability.

 

[icyflakes]

www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/c79xynw7e39o

Truly some top tier receipt keeping going on here. Basically every English counterpoint shut down.

 

[bigblueboy]

Top 15 easily. Could make an argument for top 20, but he’s ended with an average of 47 with 13 tons it’s an outstanding career. He was a better bat than Warner

Too 15 easily?

Bradman
Smith
Ponting
Waugh
Waugh
Hayden
Langer
Chappell
Chappell
Border
Taylor
Harvey
Warner
Gilchrist
Walters
Ponsford
Lawry
Simpson
Clarke
Boon
Slater

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Pretty sure Piers requested Lee to bowl full speed at him as he didn't want people thinking Brett was being soft on him.

Lee wasn't off his full run and said afterwards he was putting in about 80% effort.

 

[bigblueboy]

You're the one who compared career runs, champ. I just did the same.

Ollie Pope has scored near enough the amount of runs Damien Martyn did.

Mike Atherton scored more or less the same amount of runs as Chappell and Bradman.

Doesn't mean they're remotely comparable in terms of impact.

The difference between that those batsmen had played many more tests. Pope and Martyn similar.

See how your argument fails when you try to add 1 and 1 and try to make 3?

Champ.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Big difference to "full speed but full and targeting the stumps" and "I'm going to bowl halfway down the pitch at his body and bowl no-balls by over a metre".

 

[Westend]

Test average against England was worst than just about every other country.

yeah only averaged 40 with the bat against the poms in the UK

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Too 15 easily?

Bradman
Smith
Ponting
Waugh
Waugh
Hayden
Langer
Chappell
Chappell
Border
Taylor
Harvey
Warner
Gilchrist
Walters
Ponsford
Lawry
Simpson
Clarke
Boon
Slater

Half of those wouldn’t be near the top 15

Start with the last two, laughable. Warner isn’t ahead, averages less and had the advantage of flat roads at home. Mark Waugh averaged 41 for a very good reason. Taylor and Walters wouldn’t be there at all.

 

[grumbleguts]

I'd have Martyn over Brook in my XI any day.

And he is a very decent human being.

After cyclone Yasi, (in which our home was completely destroyed and everything in it. (We escaped with nothing but the clothes on our backs and even those had to be thrown because they were infused with millions of tiny shards of glass.) They had a big event in Tully where celebrities came and helped out. My son (who was 9) was walking around with a cricket Australia shirt and Damien Martyn was at the event and saw him, so he came up to say hello. He signed his shirt, took a selfie with him, and then gave us his sister's address and phone number and asked us to keep in touch. We contacted his sister and she got him to send a signed bat to my son.

He didn't have to do any of that.

 

[bigblueboy]

yeah only averaged 40 with the bat against the poms in the UK

Averaged 37 against England. Similar to
Ollie Pope career average so far.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Sri Lanka 2003-2004, perhaps? Scored consecutive second innings hundreds.

Thats the one, against Murali etc. whole lineup was awful bar him. We’d have lost every test if he wasn’t there

 

[Headless]

The difference between that those batsmen had played many more tests. Pope and Martyn similar.

See how your argument fails when you try to add 1 and 1 and try to make 3?

Champ.

Feel like averaging ~35 and averaging ~47 is a pretty big difference.

 

[bigblueboy]

Feel like averaging ~35 and averaging ~47 is a pretty big difference.

But old mate was arguing about pure run comparisons was he not??

 

[Headless]

But old mate was arguing about pure run comparisons was he not??

To make the point that your comparison of Damien Martyn and Ollie Pope by virtue of them having scored a similar number of overall runs was somewhat disingenuous, yes.

 

[010203]

Comment on Nasser and Athers' review of day 5: What's the difference between English batsmen and Cinderella? Cinderella knows when to leave the ball.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Murphy took 7 wickets at 25, thought he did alright personally.

It was pretty revealing how little Cummins asked him to bowl in the 3rd Test though when his bowling should have been critical - bowling fewer than 10 overs out of England's 100 overs faced across both innings. Cummins did ease him into the series after that though, when he realised it might have been a missed opportunity to win that close test if he wasn't so conservative in being worried about losing the game

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Maybe not a metre but they were humungous no-balls (you can see on the video)
The video doesn't zoom in on the crease after ball one but you can see the location his gather step and bowling action relative to the stumps/others standing around and they're at least just as bad as the first ball

 

[Westend]

Averaged 37 against England. Similar to
Ollie Pope career average so far.

and ??

what does pope got to do with marto ??

pope ave is 34 after 64 tests and against australia its 17

marto after 67 tests ave 46 against the poms overall ists 37

really dont know where you are going with this

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

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[Art Vandelay_]

Issue for England is two changes they could make - Namely Bethell and Bashir - barely play FC cricket. Bethell is on the white ball scene and Bashir doesn't have a county club atm given his place at Somerset saw him loaned to another county as he was behind Leach and Vaughan.

So their best reserve bat doesn't play much FC cricket and their reserve spinner is 3rd in line at his county. Sound selection strategy from England.

 

[Wrangeroos]

The difference between that those batsmen had played many more tests. Pope and Martyn similar.

See how your argument fails when you try to add 1 and 1 and try to make 3?

Champ.

At Pope's age, Marto had played what, 8 tests? And been thrown to the wolves 6 years earlier for a rash shot at the SCG that his senior NSW teammates choked on? Yet, Bazball would have lauded his lazy shot with 7 runs left for victory in the test as a moral victory.

Champ.

 

[bigblueboy]

To make the point that your comparison of Damien Martyn and Ollie Pope by virtue of them having scored a similar number of overall runs was somewhat disingenuous, yes.

Nope!

anyway, anyone who might want to explore further can have a go at this - it’s a good
listen: https://www.howiegames.com/podcast/https-hg33-projectboard-com-au-podcast-episode-16-damien-martyn/

 

[Headless]

Nope!

Alright!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[big_e]

That's not the Australian way. If you prefer to compare averages and runs aggregates then England is probably more your go, as in the past they've fallen back on the dad's army selection approach.

When a player is noted as a prodigious talent he will get fast tracked - as he should. This goes back to Ian Craig, picked for Australia before he was 18 and captain by the age of 22. Same goes for Michael Clarke and Ricky Ponting who won't required to undergo a lengthy Shield apprenticeships; selected on talent and potential.

In addition, an inspired call on talent by picking Connolly over Renshaw is not exactly denying the national team a prodigious talent. Anyone, that saw Renshaw struggling to lay a bat on the Indian spinners a few years ago would be aware that he is limited and not exactly a difference maker. .

Ponting wasn't fast-tracked. He had two years of first-class cricket and 2,000+ runs in the Shield before his test debut.

And Clarke had almost five years between first-class and test debut.