Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[SBD Gonzalez]

Correct.

Because shock horror, all the same posters are JCA = good, everyone else = skynews.

You know what’s been disappointing following this thread, how few some of you have even conceded only some minor observations from the many many things we’ve seen and read.

Frydenberg is a good example. First it was the comments on the school, then it was a single comment on “largest massacre”. No other comments on the multiple interviews or articles he’s written or his experiences.

There was obvious immediate empathy for the event, but then on, seems to be zero balance.

There’s plenty of far right peanuts in here obviously, but some of you profess to be better…

Just wrong. Incredibly prejudiced portrayal of the mood on here.

On Frydenberg alone, even allowing for the grief he’s feeling, it’s inexcusable for an experienced politician and public figure to misportray events so egregiously.

In his subsequent interviews, did he retract anything he’d said in his speech, or apologise for getting it wrong, even in the customary mealy-mouthed politician’s way? Not to my knowledge. So forgive some of us for being a little cynical.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Agreed.

But his comments are not the cause of this anger. You had people screaming at Albo from the moment the gunmen we’re shot dead.

Frydenberg, spoke what, 48 hours later?

Further, he’s blasted the shit out of the ALP on antisemitism for 18 months.

It’s not recent. If anything he’s being consistent.

So, hang on, you agree that he got numerous things hopelessly wrong in his speech, and yet his credibility is undented in your eyes? You’re fine with him undermining the reputation of law enforcement and the justice system? Sounds like barracking to me.

 

[Sphynx]

Just wrong. Incredibly prejudiced portrayal of the mood on here.

On Frydenberg alone, even allowing for the grief he’s feeling, it’s inexcusable for an experienced politician and public figure to misportray events so egregiously.

In his subsequent interviews, did he retract anything he’d said in his speech, or apologise for getting it wrong, even in the customary mealy-mouthed politician’s way? Not to my knowledge. So forgive some of us for being a little cynical.

His statements seem pretty consistent with those he’s done for 18 months if you have read them.

You are forgiven, because the initial reaction in here was that of opportunism first and foremost. As his first statement contained less than his following statements in the next few days.

Now it’s morphed irresponsible misportrails.

So if you would excuse me if I don’t believe people just dismissed anything he said automatically anyway because of who he is…

 

[Sphynx]

So, hang on, you agree that he got numerous things hopelessly wrong in his speech, and yet his credibility is undented in your eyes? Sounds like barracking to me.

No, I never said undented, I believe both of these things can co-exist.

He absolutely used some inflammatory language, it may have even been a slip of the tongue. Clearly some of it is intentional.

I don’t think some vocabulary is enough to completely disregard and invalidate the other 90% of what he is trying to convey, no.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Yeah, that’s rewriting the narrative.

They were angry at Albo way before Josh showed up.

I’d suggest listening to what they have to say for a change instead of dismissing it on party grounds.

It’s what’s fueling the flames atm tbh

It’s not the big bad LNP or the right side of politics…

It’s an angry and upset racial minority that want to be heard.

Are you denying that multiple people in the LNP, former LNP, One Nation and right wing media commentators have politicised this tragedy for political gain? Denying that they've sought to further divide instead of standing united and trying to turn the pressure down?

 

[Markfs]

This thread seems to attract a lot of people who like to give unsolicited advice to people on what they should say or do. The laws havent been changed....yet. Blessed are the patient...

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

No, I never said undented, I believe both of these things can co-exist.

I take ex-senior politicians casting shade on the professionalism of our law enforcement officers and judges and magistrates a little more seriously then, obviously.

 

[Sphynx]

Are you denying that multiple people in the LNP, former LNP, One Nation and right wing media commentators have politicised this tragedy for political gain? Denying that they've sought to further divide instead of standing united and trying to turn the pressure down?

It really depends on your perspective.

Are you denying that the Jewish community in general have sought for further answers and are standing united and are trying to turn the pressure up on the government?

Turning the pressure down is of course what Albo/ALP want.

It certainly doesn’t seem to be what the Jewish community want and with respect, it’s the Jewish community themselves at most risk with rising tensions on this topic. They’ve clearly decided enough is enough.

Do we have a comparable event in recent Australian history where we believe we have a right to turn the pressure down on them?

 

[Sphynx]

I take ex-senior politicians casting shade on the professionalism of our law enforcement officers and judges and magistrates a little more seriously then, obviously.

Oh, so that’s the issue now?

Remind me, what was the issue from the initial statement? I can pull posts if you like…

 

[Markfs]

A local Jewish security group could soon be allowed to carry weapons in Sydney, as the NSW government considers options in response to the Bondi massacre last Sunday.

The NSW premier, Chris Minns, was asked by Sky News reporter Sharri Markson on Tuesday if “there’s an argument for the Jewish security, the CSG (Community Security Group), to have weapons so they could respond to serious threats like this”, to which Minns replied: “Yes, I do.”

The IDF on sydney streets. Thank god I live in WA.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Judaism doesnt automatically make you right wing.

I’m kind of shocked you just wrote (or are inferring that) that tbh.

I didn’t write that. There are left wing Jews and right wing Jews.

One Jewish organisation which happens to be left wing, fights for rights and dignity and equality for Jews and Palestinians. It’s clearly stated on the landing page of their website.

I will happily listen to any right wing Jewish organisation that is equally and overtly respectful of the rights of Palestinians as the left-wing JCA. Can you point me to any?

 

[Sphynx]

A local Jewish security group could soon be allowed to carry weapons in Sydney, as the NSW government considers options in response to the Bondi massacre last Sunday.

The NSW premier, Chris Minns, was asked by Sky News reporter Sharri Markson on Tuesday if “there’s an argument for the Jewish security, the CSG (Community Security Group), to have weapons so they could respond to serious threats like this”, to which Minns replied: “Yes, I do.”

The IDF on sydney streets. Thank god I live in WA.

The young orthodox kid in the CSG that got shot 3 times and took the bullets for the girls in the petting zoo didn’t strike me as your prototypical IDF war criminal, although i don’t know how you’d pick them…

 

[Sphynx]

I didn’t write that. There are left wing Jews and right wing Jews.

One Jewish organisation which happens to be left wing, fights for rights and dignity and equality for Jews and Palestinians. It’s clearly stated on the landing page of their website.

I will happily listen to any right wing Jewish organisation that is equally and overtly respectful of the rights of Palestinians as the left-wing JCA. Can you point me to any?

And what about Jews that give absolutely zero shits about Israel and Palestine, where do they fall in your spectrum?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

It really depends on your perspective.

Are you denying that the Jewish community in general have sought for further answers and are standing united and are trying to turn the pressure up on the government?

Turning the pressure down is of course what Albo/ALP want.

It certainly doesn’t seem to be what the Jewish community want and with respect, it’s the Jewish community themselves at most risk with rising tensions on this topic. They’ve clearly decided enough is enough.

Do we have a comparable event in recent Australian history where we believe we have a right to turn the pressure down on them?

Of course the Jewish community are feeling anger, grief etc at the moment. That is their right and it is completely understandable. I would be the same in their situation.

What we don't need is politicians and the media amplifying that to stir up further division in the community solely for their political gain. It is not only cynical, it is dangerous.

When crimes occur it is the role of government (including police, courts etc) to act in a calm, even handed way. There are reasons we don't let victims of crime decide the fate of the perpetrators.

 

[Sphynx]

Of course the Jewish community are feeling anger, grief etc at the moment. That is their right and it is completely understandable. I would be the same in their situation.

What we don't need is politicians and the media amplifying that to stir up further division in the community solely for their political gain. It is not only cynical, it is dangerous.

When crimes occur it is the role of government (including police, courts etc) to act in a calm, even handed way. There are reasons we don't let victims of crime decide the fate of the perpetrators.

No need for Pauline, Barnaby et all, I agree.

I don’t think they are stirring up anything that wasn’t already boiling tbh.

Trying to frame the anger at the moment as being caused by the right sided politicians is complete and utter bullshit tbh…

It’s been flamed as much by Albo tbh. He’s hidden from the scene for a week and intentionally watered down the motive of the shooters away from Islamic Extremism, yet tried to push it to Far Right and Neo nazi’s, going on tangents.

The Jewish community haven’t missed it.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Oh, so that’s the issue now?

Remind me, what was the issue from the initial statement? I can pull posts if you like…

??? The issue all along has been the level of Frydenberg’s sincerity.

If you don’t think his undermining of the law enforcement and justice in this country is relevant to this discussion you’re hardly in a position to pass comment on the standard of debate on here.
Sorry, you’re resorting to semantics now and I’m not interested in debating with that.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I didn’t write that. There are left wing Jews and right wing Jews.

One Jewish organisation which happens to be left wing, fights for rights and dignity and equality for Jews and Palestinians. It’s clearly stated on the landing page of their website.

I will happily listen to any right wing Jewish organisation that is equally and overtly respectful of the rights of Palestinians as the left-wing JCA. Can you point me to any?

Other than their position on Palestine, what other views makes the JCA left leaning?

 

[Markfs]

The young orthodox kid in the CSG that got shot 3 times and took the bullets for the girls in the petting zoo didn’t strike me as your prototypical IDF war criminal, although i don’t know how you’d pick them…

Maybe we can trust the ones that arent wearing palestinian lingerie...

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It really depends on your perspective.

Are you denying that the Jewish community in general have sought for further answers and are standing united and are trying to turn the pressure up on the government?

Turning the pressure down is of course what Albo/ALP want.

It certainly doesn’t seem to be what the Jewish community want and with respect, it’s the Jewish community themselves at most risk with rising tensions on this topic. They’ve clearly decided enough is enough.

Do we have a comparable event in recent Australian history where we believe we have a right to turn the pressure down on them?

I believe people like you refuse to acknowledge what Albanese has done to combat AS even though it’s been spelt out on here numerous times.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

No need for Pauline, Barnaby et all, I agree.

I don’t think they are stirring up anything that wasn’t already boiling tbh.

Trying to frame the anger at the moment as being caused by the right sided politicians is complete and utter bullshit tbh…

Anger is there. Their role is to defuse it, not pour petrol on it for their personal political gain. It's disgraceful the way they are ramping up the friction in the community because they see an opportunity to land a blow on the government.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Other than their position on Palestine, what other views makes the JCA left leaning?

Dunno. Ask Old Mate. He/she says they're "hard left".

I'd be interested to hear what leads them to that conclusion. (But I think that's what your question is implying.)

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Anger is there. Their role is to defuse it, not pour petrol on it for their personal political gain. It's disgraceful the way they are ramping up the friction in the community because they see an opportunity to land a blow on the government.

Anger is there, has been there, and the government has been responding to it, but plenty of shouty people don't want to acknowledge that.

 

[Bloods86]

It’s been flamed as much by Albo tbh. He’s hidden from the scene for a week and intentionally watered down the motive of the shooters away from Islamic Extremism, yet tried to push it to Far Right and Neo nazi’s, going on tangents.

The Jewish community haven’t missed it.

He's not been hidden.

He said it was Islamic State inspired, and it was extreme, an ideology of hate.

Not sure why you would make things up, though there's a lot of nonsense reporting around, so you may just be unaware.

 

[Fire]

The IDF on sydney streets. Thank god I live in WA.

What a bizzare, prejudiced summation. What does Israel have to do with a proposal like this, let alone their defense force?

 

[Gough]

Being seen as the victim is key tenet of religion, without emotional blackmail they can't exist and the Zionists are milking this for all it's worth. All the other faiths are green with envy at the moment.