Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Worm4]

Agreed Wormy

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So now, lets apply your AI to just the past season, what does it tell you -
Different answer hey ?

 

[Worm4]

How many Brownlows has he collected?

Donuts mate. Im sure Fly has approached the commish about the current voting system and have submitted their ideas

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

So now, lets apply your AI to just the past season, what does it tell you -
Different answer hey ?

You asked the question you got the answer. Don't try and worm yourself out of this.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

We finally found something we disagree on, I just feel it's a team-sport, being the best player in the biggest game when if you win, you usually get a premiership medallion too, means a bit more, maybe I'm way off. Maybe for someone like Daicos the Brownlow is more important to him than a Premiership Medal.

But I doubt it being a pies fan and watching YouTube to see your old man win one.

No I agree premierships are nicer to have then brownlows and everyone agrees the team premiership is better than a brownlow. But are you talking about what people want or are you talking about what is the indication of who is a better player. Totally different subjects.

Player desire premiership >>>> brownlow
What is generally a better indicator of the better player (but not always) brownlow > Norm smith >>>> premiership

Edit: I'm happy to leave it at that if you disagree. Which is always fair enough.

 

[VicBased]

Sure.

But I find it interesting that noone was nominating Rowell as 'better than Nic' BEFORE the 2025 Brownlow count, and by virtue of a few surprise votes to relegate Nick into second place, he's suddenly better than him.

What does that then say about Daicos, who averages 1.21 Brownlow votes per game across his entire career, about 20% more than any other player in the history of the game, and 3-% more than any other current player?

I mean, do Brownlow votes count, or not?

The Brownlow is given to the "Fairest and Best" player.
Rowell won it for 2025. So that makes him the best player in the comp for this year .
Amazing how many Collingwood supporters get their knickers in a knot that Nic didn't win it if it is a measuring stick that does not count.

 

[Fadge]

We finally found something we disagree on, I just feel it's a team-sport, being the best player in the biggest game when if you win, you usually get a premiership medallion too, means a bit more, maybe I'm way off. Maybe for someone like Daicos the Brownlow is more important to him than a Premiership Medal.

But I doubt it being a pies fan and watching YouTube to see your old man win one.

Of course a premiership medal is 'more important' than a Brownlow, but it doesn't determine who the better player is...

I mean, was Billy Frampton a better player than Harris Andrews in 2023, because Billy won a premiership medal and Harris didn't?

Was Bobby Hill a better player than Nick Daicos across 2023, because Bobby won a Norm Smith and Nick didn't?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

The Brownlow is given to the "Fairest and Best" player.
Rowell won it for 2025. So that makes him the best player in the comp for this year .
Amazing how many Collingwood supporters get their knickers in a knot that Nic didn't win it if it is a measuring stick that does not count.

I'm not sure if you are being serious?
I dont think that most supporters think that winning the Brownlow automatically makes you the best player in the comp. It certainly starts a conversation.
As to Nick not winning it. Its not a big deal for most Collingwood supporters if he never wins one. It would be nice as an indicator of the quality of player he is. But if he never wins one, that fine as well. There are plenty of great players who are deserving of the award as well. Another premiership for Nick would be number 1 for all Pie supporters (although that might be greedy).

 

[Fadge]

Ok, lets count Brownlow votes.
Who has the most over the past 3 years ? If the answer isnt Daicos, then its disputable that he is the best

What if the answer is Daicos?

Yet another self own for this fellow...

 

[Chip Scab1]

That's football mate, don't take it to heart just keep supporting your team.

They act like they're playing CHF.

They're middle of the road (at best) and deteriorating quickly.

My response wasn't that you said it Bonce, I liked your response because it at least gives us a 50:50 chance in '26 which is way more than the past 50 odd pages have given us. And we've been copping this doom and gloom since 2021 every year the same rubbish. Thing is, since Fly came back to the club, we have enjoyed a remarkable run of fun and positivity in our footy club. And yet all the scribes (from Caro, to Damo, SEN and Kaneo) not to mention some of the regular posters on BF who really try to bait Collingwood people, they've all had us "falling off said cliff" for years....and yet we haven't.

So whilst we continue to find a way, I think most Collingwood folk find it a little disrespectful to lump us with clubs that haven't featured where we have for many years....simply because they hope and wish that we fail.

Yep, you've found a way to win 1 less premiership than Norf in the last 50 years... congratulations, you must feel proud as punch.

I swear you boys need to re-read your posts. Some of them are actually ridiculous.

 

[Fadge]

The Brownlow is given to the "Fairest and Best" player.
Rowell won it for 2025. So that makes him the best player in the comp for this year .
Amazing how many Collingwood supporters get their knickers in a knot that Nic didn't win it if it is a measuring stick that does not count.

Great.

So based on your 'logic', given Daicos has accumulated the most Brownlow votes across the last three years, it is undisputed that he has been the best player in the competition over that time.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[small 4wards]

The reason that the pies can't copy our drafting is because we've stayed relevant by being really good at cheating.

 

[Chip Scab1]

No I agree premierships are nicer to have then brownlows and everyone agrees the team premiership is better than a brownlow. But are you talking about what people want or are you talking about what is the indication of who is a better player. Totally different subjects.

Player desire premiership >>>> brownlow
What is generally a better indicator of the better player (but not always) brownlow > Norm smith >>>> premiership

Edit: I'm happy to leave it at that if you disagree. Which is always fair enough.

I think Nick is #1, but I don't wanna talk him up too much as some of you are already thinking he's better than his dad, and that just ain't true.

He's better than his squib brother, but still 2 of 3 in his family imo.

 

[Fadge]

They're middle of the road (at best) and deteriorating quickly.

Actually, based on the most recent season, the Pies were the third best team in it, having finished 4th, knocked over the minor premiers, but fell short of the Grand Final.

So much better than 'middle of the road'.

 

[Fadge]

I think Nick is #1, but I don't wanna talk him up too much as some of you are already thinking he's better than his dad, and that just ain't true.

He's better than his squib brother, but still 2 of 3 in his family imo.

Were you around when his dad was playing?

 

[Chip Scab1]

Actually, based on the most recent season, the Pies were the third best team in it, having finished 4th, knocked over the minor premiers, but fell short of the Grand Final.

So much better than 'middle of the road'.

Last year is last year. That's an eternity for a team of geriatrics.

 

[Fadge]

Last year is last year. That's an eternity for a team of geriatrics.

It's your opinion that the Pies are 'middle of the road'.

It's fact that in the most recent season, the Pies were the 3rd best team in it.

 

[bzparkes]

The reason that the pies can't copy our drafting is because we've stayed relevant by being really good at cheating.

They tried to copy it with Treloar, Grundy and Sleevo but were caught out

Much harder to hide that stuff when you're under the noses of the AFL admin and they don't have to drive down the coast for bbq and beers to check up on you.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Were you around when his dad was playing?

I was 5 in '87, so he was the 1st non-North player I liked/loved.

Won't hear a bad word about him. One of the very very best I've seen. Not quick, but sooo clean and skilful and just ridiculously good.

 

[A Swallow]

I have it on a previous page.

I can't find any after N Daicos, Daicos, Quaynor.

They'll still be ok!

Yeah, I annoyed a few of them, yet still none of them posted what it would look like.
I’d say for the vast majority of teams you’d be able to get at least a 70-80% look at the side in two seasons. It’s really not that far off. It’s unusual for a team to have around half the starting side leaving in the next two seasons, particularly with very little by way of promising youth.

 

[Fadge]

I was 5 in '87, so he was the 1st non-North player I liked/loved.

Won't hear a bad word about him. One of the very very best I've seen. Not quick, but sooo clean and skilful and just ridiculously good.

Is it really a 'bad word' to say that his son is better than he ever was?

Peter was never spoken about amongst the best handful of players in the competition, though to be fair, he had some pretty stiff competition with the likes of Ablett Senior and Lockett. Elite midfielders of the time were Greg Williams, Tim Watson and John Platten. As a Collingwood supporter, he was never really an absolute standout at the Pies, and was amongst the best of a very even bunch of players such as Gavin Brown, Tony Shaw and Darren Millane.

Whether you rate Nick Daicos as the best in the comp or not, he is very much in the discussion, and has been the clear standout at the Pies since his second year in the system.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Daicos Number 1

 

[A Swallow]

There are many comments in this thread stating that "Collingwood not having high end talent from the top end of the draft will cause them to fall off a cliff".

I don’t necessarily think this is valid, plenty of good players fall later in the draft. I’d say the bigger issue is the sheer lack of games/exposure the youth on the list has/will have when 8-10 important players leave over the next two years.

 

[A Swallow]

Is it really a 'bad word' to say that his son is better than he ever was?

Peter was never really spoken about amongst the best players in the competition, though to be fair, he had some pretty stiff competition with the likes of Ablett Senior and Lockett. As a Collingwood supporter, he was never really an absolute standout at the Pies, and was amongst the best of a very even bunch of players such as Gavin Brown, Tony Shaw and Darren Millane.

Whether you rate Nick Daicos as the best in the comp or not, he is very much in the discussion, and has been the clear standout at the Pies since his second year in the system.

I’m slightly too young to have absorbed much of Peter at the time, but from what I have read and seen he was brilliant, yet it seems that Nick is far more consistently impactful.

 

[Fadge]

I’m slightly too young to have absorbed much of Peter at the time, but from what I have read and seen he was brilliant, yet it seems that Nick is far more consistently impactful.

Yep, that's a fair way to describe them.

 

[Robroy22]

They act like they're playing CHF.

They're middle of the road (at best) and deteriorating quickly.

Yep, you've found a way to win 1 less premiership than Norf in the last 50 years... congratulations, you must feel proud as punch.

I swear you boys need to re-read your posts. Some of them are actually ridiculous.

Ahh but I've seen us win 5....and everyone made me feel proud as punch.