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[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Except... they aren't.

There's plenty of footage and stories out there for you to find for yourself, but the clear story emerging from Venezuela today was one of fear and uncertainty amongst the people.

Sure, most of them may not have loved Maduro. But they also don't want to be invaded, don't want to be a puppet regime for the US, and just want peace and independence.

One example seen here:

Of course the ones still there would be uncertain and confused, and some probably angry.
But 8m have left the country.
Pretty sure the majority of them would be happy.

 

[pjcrows]

That is a fair comment…. Although how many people did the US kill in this operation as opposed to how many have been, killed, imprisoned, displaced in the last 2 decades?
Surely a line has to be drawn somewhere?

I'd draw the line at - the US President doesn't get to bomb, capture and extradite a foreign nation and its leader, for drug trafficking. That's a pretty clear line.

 

[pjcrows]

Agreed, so we just do nothing then.

Yes. The US "does nothing" about plenty of global mistreatment.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

I'd draw the line at - the US President doesn't get to bomb, capture and extradite a foreign nation and its leader, for drug trafficking. That's a pretty clear line.

So where do you sit on Bin Laden and Solemani?

 

[bzparkes]

Except... they aren't.

There's plenty of footage and stories out there for you to find for yourself, but the clear story emerging from Venezuela today was one of fear and uncertainty amongst the people.

Sure, most of them may not have loved Maduro. But they also don't want to be invaded, don't want to be a puppet regime for the US, and just want peace and independence.

One example seen here:

LATAM-WIDE POLL: Venezuela Crisis (EN) | AtlasIntel

AtlasIntel’s Latam-Wide poll was designed to provide robust estimates of public opinion for the entire adult population of Latin Americans living in the America

atlasintel.org

For those who want to download it, it's on page 55. Otherwise, here's the results of a poll done late last year.

 

[pjcrows]

So where do you sit on Bin Laden and Solemani?

Where do I "sit"?

Well, Bin Laden coordinated the biggest terrorist attack on US soil, so I don't much care for him. No issues with the US going after him and killing him.

Solemani wad killed because he "planned" to attack US military sites but who actually knows.

Why?

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Where do I "sit"?

Well, Bin Laden coordinated the biggest terrorist attack on US soil, so I don't much care for him. No issues with the US going after him and killing him.

Solemani wad killed because he "planned" to attack US military sites but who actually knows.

Why?

No reason….we draw our lines in different spots that’s all.

 

[DapperDon]

So where do you sit on Bin Laden and Solemani?

Would you think it's ok for a country to call Trump a terrorist then to do a blitz raid in Florida, kidnap Donny and Barron drop a couple of bombs in Miami and hold Trump in trial in their own country?

 

[pjcrows]

LATAM-WIDE POLL: Venezuela Crisis (EN) | AtlasIntel

AtlasIntel’s Latam-Wide poll was designed to provide robust estimates of public opinion for the entire adult population of Latin Americans living in the America

atlasintel.org

For those who want to download it, it's on page 55. Otherwise, here's the results of a poll done late last year.

View attachment 2504995

So based on that poll, of Venezuelans living in Venezuela, 34% say yes, 28% say no, and 37% don't know.

 

[10571z]

Love or Hate Trump it was a pretty impressive military operation. 4 hours, no lives lost and you’ve toppled a dictatorship.

 

[pjcrows]

No reason….we draw our lines in different spots that’s all.

Where do you draw your lines?

 

[pjcrows]

Love or Hate Trump it was a pretty impressive military operation. 4 hours, no lives lost and you’ve toppled a dictatorship.

No lives lost? You sure?

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

That is a fair comment…. Although how many people did the US kill in this operation as opposed to how many have been, killed, imprisoned, displaced in the last 2 decades?
Surely a line has to be drawn somewhere?

If you lined up countries where a 'line needs to be drawn' Venezuela wouldn't crack the top 30.
But the others don't have oil reserves...

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You can't invade a country because of drug trafficking

And everyone believed WMDs were possible in Iraq until they weren't

Nah, no-one with any sense believed Iraq had WMDs.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Would you think it's ok for a country to call Trump a terrorist then to do a blitz raid in Florida, kidnap Donny and Barron drop a couple of bombs in Miami and hold Trump in trial in their own country?

World Report 2025: Rights Trends in Venezuela

www.hrw.org

If this ^ was the situation in the US then sure

 

[pjcrows]

If you lined up countries where a 'line needs to be drawn' Venezuela wouldn't crack the top 30.
But the others don't have oil reserves...

Bingo.

 

[Chadwiko]

LATAM-WIDE POLL: Venezuela Crisis (EN) | AtlasIntel

AtlasIntel’s Latam-Wide poll was designed to provide robust estimates of public opinion for the entire adult population of Latin Americans living in the America

atlasintel.org

For those who want to download it, it's on page 55. Otherwise, here's the results of a poll done late last year.

View attachment 2504995

Ehhhhhhhhh I wouldn't draw any sweeping conclusions from that poll.

 

[Cooldude]

Don't worry guys, America will bring democracy to the country and they'll be greeted by the locals as liberators

Sorry that was Iraq, who are thriving right now I think

 

[bzparkes]

So based on that poll, of Venezuelans living in Venezuela, 34% say yes, 28% say no, and 37% don't know.

Pretty nuanced and fair to say, the majority of Venezuelans who fled would obviously be in favour and those who stayed would indeed be fearful of the uncertain because as bad as Maduro was, people knew what to expect, as bad as it was, and foreign intervention always brings around further uncertainty.

Don't mistake it for support for Maduro though.

Page 18 - Is Maduro viewed as legitimate by Venezuelans inside the country
Among Venezuelan residents:
55.6% say the election was stolen
13.7% say the election was free and fair
30.7% don’t know
Only 14% inside Venezuela accept the election that kept Maduro in power


Page 15 - Do Venezuelans think the country is a dictatorship?
Among Venezuelan residents:
54.4% say Venezuela is a dictatorship
18.2% say it is a democracy
27.3% don’t know
Barely 1 in 5 believe the system is democratic


Pages 12–13 - Who do Venezuelans blame for the humanitarian crisis?
Among Venezuelans inside the country:
67.4% blame Maduro’s authoritarian regime
19.9% blame US policies
4.2% blame the opposition



The 'don't know' figures are typical of people polling in dictatorships due to fear of reprisals, either form the government or people against the government.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

I just find it amazing that the hatred of one man Trumps (pun intended) the lives of an entire nation who have been oppressed for decades.

 

[bzparkes]

View attachment 2504998

Ehhhhhhhhh I wouldn't draw any sweeping conclusions from that poll.

Well it's a more legit source of general sentiment than one post of someone from X saying they don't like that Maduro was ousted.

 

[pjcrows]

World Report 2025: Rights Trends in Venezuela

www.hrw.org

If this ^ was the situation in the US then sure

You've just used Human Rights Watch as a source to support ousting Maduro. They also said this about Trump:



I guess we have no choice but to bomb Florida, raid Maralago and fly Trump to Sydney in handcuffs?

 

[pjcrows]

I just find it amazing that the hatred of one man Trumps (pun intended) the lives of an entire nation who have been oppressed for decades.

I find it amazing that your first instinct is "everyone is just saying this is bad because Trump did it". Are you 12?

 

[bzparkes]

You've just used Human Rights Watch as a source to support ousting Maduro. They also said this about Trump:

View attachment 2504999

I guess we have no choice but to bomb Florida, raid Maralago and fly Trump to Sydney in handcuffs?

Good to see whoever wrote that wasn't biased at all, lmfao.

Got a link for it?

 

[10571z]

No lives lost? You sure?

I mean they reported no lives lost. But I can’t personally tell you if that’s true.