Pratt must resign

[tigers_of_old_08]

Your use of emoticons and poor spelling almost had me convinced.

How is Pratt being generous with other people's money when the price fixing occurred between 2001 and 2004?

He built up Visy into a successfull business over decades and was already a billionair before the price fixing started.

I guess you're saying Pratt became a billionaire and made all his money in those four years?.

They've already been fined $36 million (which, I might add was $4 million less than the maximum figure they could have been fined) and are facing a class action.

The money will come out of Pratt's pockets, not your's or mine.

Stop being such a drama queen and a whiny bitch.

Your club would take Dick Pratt's money ahead of Dick Smith's on everyday of the week.

Your logic astounds me, ...not too bright are we?

The fact that Pratt The Rat is now facing class action and his $36 million dollar fine is only $4 million less from the maximum highlights the seriousness of the crime and it's not something I'd be bragging about, sunshine.

And of course HE should pay it and NOT you or I - after all it was HE committed the crime not us.

But you lost me with your point about price fixing occuring only b/w
2001-2004...why? Was he immune from the law during that period?
Apart from that you're also conceding he was in fact GUILTY.

Fleecing the Australian public to the tune of $700 MILLION is not something you can just sweep under the carpet, sunshine.

NO emoticons for you!

 

[Dramoth]

Your logic astounds me, ...not too bright are we?

The fact that Pratt The Rat is now facing class action and his $36 million dollar fine is only $4 million less from the maximum highlights the seriousness of the crime and it's not something I'd be bragging about, sunshine.

And of course HE should pay it and NOT you or I - after all it was HE committed the crime not us.

But you lost me with your point about price fixing occuring only b/w
2001-2004...why? Was he immune from the law during that period?
Apart from that you're also conceding he was in fact GUILTY.

Fleecing the Australian public to the tune of $700 MILLION is not something you can just sweep under the carpet, sunshine.

NO emoticons for you!

Gosh... I didnt realise that a richmond supporter had such a good head for figures. Must go to show that at least some of you must have made it past secondary school.

Pratt has acknowledged that his company was guilty along with Amcor, who by the way will be co-respondants in the class action by whoever and will be liable for half of anything that gets settled in the action.

Pratt has paid an out of court settlement with the ACCC before being actually charged by anyone.

If things are true, then VISY did fleece the Australian public out of 700 million, then Amcor their co-respondants Amcor are either liable for half of that or they are liable for 700 Million themselves. It thats the case, then the class action is going be worth 1.4 billion and is going to hit both companies.

But to be honest, I really expect the class action to only be about 700 mill targetting both members of the cartel.

 

[Bee]

your all not gettin it. pratt should be in gaol, but instead he is president off Carlton. whatever good he may have done in the past it does not excuse what he has done now. he is a crminal wearing a suit. No matter how some of you guys may like to spin it he is guilty of exploiting every single australian. shame on Dick and the people that defend him. Carlton needs a president with strong ethics and character. Time for Dick to stand down and Ahmed Famour (spelling) to step up

I was unaware that Dick had actually been charged with any criminal activity. I thought that an agreement had been reached and no trial or criminal proceedings were at hand. Have I misunderstood this?

 

[Bee]

The truth hurts does it? U could ban me from this forum but that won't change anything. Pratt is still a thief and u have defended him. I bet if he wasn't associated with Carlton u would be screaming blue murder like most other Australians. But just b/c he is doing some good for Carlton your sense of right and wrong goes straight out the window. Have no fear this will hurt Carlton. If Pratt really cares he resigns

Tread very carefully. You are close to over-stepping the line of libel.

 

[sosos]

Aaaaaaahhhhh!
How funny is it to see the Carlton supporters arguing with each other.
It's like a civil war!

Let's face it, if it wasn't for Dick Pratt, Carlton would be heading to the Gold Coast or folding!

Did you read the thread? It's one against many.

I'm all for his company being fined, and all for any victims seeking redress in civil courts. He'll take his lumps in civil court and good luck to the plaintiffs. That doesn't mean he has to go live in a cave, wear sackcloth and eat ashes to please fools like you. You're attempting to apply penalties above and beyond the laws of the land and to discount every good he has done and will do, which makes you a tool. The fact that you're pushing your barrow so eagerly also makes you a troll.

Trolls get banned, even ones with pretend Carlton accounts.

If he, or anybody else for that matter, has any sense, or indeed care for the club, he won't take advice from ********s like you.

Well said.

No-one is particularly excusing the behaviour, just as no-one is excusing your slander.


Transgressing the country's laws results in various penalties. If you're not happy with how the legal system works, then maybe you can lobby your MP to change the laws, or become a politician yourself.

Now go back to your Stain Kilda dumpster Fireman.

 

[nutcase888]

posted by Bee
Tread very carefully. You are close to over-stepping the line of libel.

don't make me laugh. What would u call Pratt's activities if not stealing from the Australian public. That makes Pratt a thief. It is only slander if you accuse someone of something when there is no basis for it. I would like to see how Pratt would say in any court that his actions do not constitute stealing from the australian public. And that being the case (that eh stoel form the australian public) then he is a thief.

 

[nutcase888]

posted by Bee
I was unaware that Dick had actually been charged with any criminal activity. I thought that an agreement had been reached and no trial or criminal proceedings were at hand. Have I misunderstood this?

No you have not misunderstood this. But what you have perhaps misunderstood is that Australia's laws in regards to this fall well short of best practice and in numerous other countries, America, UK, France, Germany he would be going to gaol. Of course the liberal party said they were going to criminalise this activity but have failed to do so. Maybe Pratt is a donor. anyway what does it matter? He is only the president of Calrton, I am so proud.

 

[len_jet]

No you have not misunderstood this. But what you have perhaps misunderstood is that Australia's laws in regards to this fall well short of best practice and in numerous other countries, America, UK, France, Germany he would be going to gaol. Of course the liberal party said they were going to criminalise this activity but have failed to do so. Maybe Pratt is a donor. anyway what does it matter? He is only the president of Calrton, I am so proud.

didnt you apologise about 2 pages back? generally an apology usually means closure...

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Nutcase is 100% correct.

No matter how some people want to pretend otherwise Carlton Football Club is knowlingly accepting ill-gotten gains to slide out of a giant mess caused by years of poor leadership. Even worse it makes the person it's President. The clear messages of "We are Carlton, F the rest" and "We have no morals" continues.

We all know what living off immoral earnings and money laundering involves. Is this any different? Not really.

 

[Dramoth]

No you have not misunderstood this. But what you have perhaps misunderstood is that Australia's laws in regards to this fall well short of best practice and in numerous other countries, America, UK, France, Germany he would be going to gaol. Of course the liberal party said they were going to criminalise this activity but have failed to do so. Maybe Pratt is a donor. anyway what does it matter? He is only the president of Calrton, I am so proud.

I must say that you have to be one of the dumbest mother****ers I have ever seen supporting the blues.

You seriously think that the Australian government are going to be exactly like the yanks, who let the biggest monopolists in the world in Micro$haft off the hook to continue with their plans of world computer domination. In numerous other countries like America, the UK and France and Germany he would be getting a pat on the back and promise that the courts will be off his arse in a weeks time and he had nothing to answer for.

This is the same government who continually hand out billion dollar contracts to **** 3rd world countries as they try and rebuild after the coallition of the ass-bitches have wrecked their anal diameters.

You are the same dumb **** who wanted Denis the menace to remain in control of Carlton to ensure that we would have no other choice than to relocate in 2 years time to somewhere like Canberra or maybe even Darwin...

How about you pull your head out of Vlad's arse and if you are a true Carlton supporter, see that our destiny is about to re-manifest itself and we are scaring everyone else... including Vlad and his bum boi's down at AFL HQ...

 

[Bee]

Nutcase is 100% correct.

No matter how some people want to pretend otherwise Carlton Football Club is knowlingly accepting ill-gotten gains to slide out of a giant mess caused by years of poor leadership. Even worse it makes the person it's President. The clear messages of "We are Carlton, F the rest" and "We have no morals" continues.

We are know what living off immoral earnings and money laundering involves. Is this any different? Not really.

What else would you say? Go away!

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

What else would you say? Go away!

There is nothing else to say.

Bye

 

[Dramoth]

Nutcase is 100% correct.

No matter how some people want to pretend otherwise Carlton Football Club is knowlingly accepting ill-gotten gains to slide out of a giant mess caused by years of poor leadership. Even worse it makes the person it's President. The clear messages of "We are Carlton, F the rest" and "We have no morals" continues.

We all know what living off immoral earnings and money laundering involves. Is this any different? Not really.

Maybe you ****ers down at Punt Rd know what that involves... dont you dumbarse mother ****ers cheat the dole system or is that purely the Filth's baliwick?

 

[nutcase888]

posted by chelseaworthgale
didnt you apologise about 2 pages back? generally an apology usually means closure...

well it was tongue in cheek apology however this thread had slipped right down tot he bottom of my page after my apology and then somebody re-started it. So i think i have the right to continue arguing my case. Even though i am being called a dumb 'motherf***er' and every other name under the sun i am trying to to remain non offensive to other posters and just argue my case.

I know u all don't like me and u think i am a troll but my only motivation in starting this thread is that i am concerned on how it will impact on Carlton. That and i abhor this type of behaviour and it is very hard to feel proud about this club when this guy is in the most senior postion. We now have a guy in Fahoud who has an excellant reputation and business credentials and is ready to take over. So why doesn't Pratt just leave now and let Fahoud take over?

 

[MBIB]

Maybe you ****ers down at Punt Rd know what that involves... dont you dumbarse mother ****ers cheat the dole system or is that purely the Filth's baliwick?

3rd bottle of red Dramoth?

 

[nutcase888]

oh and by the way

In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.

Can u please explain to me what I have said that is false?

 

[len_jet]

well it was tongue in cheek apology however this thread had slipped right down tot he bottom of my page after my apology and then somebody re-started it. So i think i have the right to continue arguing my case. Even though i am being called a dumb 'motherf***er' and every other name under the sun i am trying to to remain non offensive to other posters and just argue my case.

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to rebut... except the majority of richmond, essendon and collingwood supporters as they are delusional and are just plain idiots... however the few that do come here to make a decent argument I have time for...

I know u all don't like me and u think i am a troll but my only motivation in starting this thread is that i am concerned on how it will impact on Carlton. That and i abhor this type of behaviour and it is very hard to feel proud about this club when this guy is in the most senior postion. We now have a guy in Fahoud who has an excellant reputation and business credentials and is ready to take over. So why doesn't Pratt just leave now and let Fahoud take over?

Fahoud doesn't have the time, he runs one of the biggest banks in AUS. At the end of the day president is a nothing title. It is an unpaid job done for the love of the club. The other fact is there is a difference between personal life and that of the football club. At the end of the day what ever happens Pratt is worth more than $3 billion. Apparently between VISY and AMCOR they swindled $700m. So $350m from VISY which equates to about 10% of Pratts wealth. At the end of the day the $1.5-$2.0 he has put into the club is purely out of his own net wealth and if it pleases your mind and heart then we'll claim it came from his "clean" stash?

Also think of it this way... you work in the city, doing a purely office job. You catch public transport to and from the place. On the weekend you get done for speeding, drink driving, petty theft (say bread from a bakery). You appear in court a month later for a grand total of $2k fine, lose your license and you need to do community service for 100 hours on the weekend. Does it mean you need to quit your paid office job?

 

[BlueBelle]

well it was tongue in cheek apology however this thread had slipped right down tot he bottom of my page after my apology and then somebody re-started it. So i think i have the right to continue arguing my case. Even though i am being called a dumb 'motherf***er' and every other name under the sun i am trying to to remain non offensive to other posters and just argue my case.

I know u all don't like me and u think i am a troll but my only motivation in starting this thread is that i am concerned on how it will impact on Carlton. That and i abhor this type of behaviour and it is very hard to feel proud about this club when this guy is in the most senior postion. We now have a guy in Fahoud who has an excellant reputation and business credentials and is ready to take over. So why doesn't Pratt just leave now and let Fahoud take over?

Pratt, Swann and co spent 2007 rebuilding the club... do you really think they would keep Pratt on if it was going to undo all of their good work??

 

[len_jet]

oh and by the way

In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.

Can u please explain to me what I have said that is false?

we you called him a thief. you are claiming he should be jailed. however he has not comitted a criminal offence. additionally he has "done his time" to the tune of $36m. The max punishment for this offence is a $40m fine... no jail time.

So I would argue you are defaming him on the grounds that you are claiming he is a thief when he simply isn't.

 

[Bee]

oh and by the way

In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.

Can u please explain to me what I have said that is false?

Two things. You called him a thief which to me implies someone who has been charged with stealing. You also called him a criminal. That implies he has been charged with a criminal offence. He hasn't been charged with either of those.
Anyway as far as I can see he has admitted to a wrong doing and he has been punished for it. Over and done with, you need to let it go.

 

[bluebrew]

Interesting topic Pratt has no Criminal conviction against him in any court yet we have people carrying on like he should go to Jail.

Yes he admitted being in a CARTEL with Amcor so by any reasoning they are liable to a class action as well.
Did he initiate the CARTEL in the first place no it WAS Amcor it was leaked to ACCC by a disgruntled Amcor executive and they agreed to provide all info to the ACCC for indemnity from prosecution now how do you think a class action ruling will go for them...seeing as they were the Initiator of of the conduct ...

As for this being the biggest Cartel in oz i think that would be a highly dubious and suspect thought when our oil comes from different ports around the world with different pricing yet they all seem to be the same.
The Only thing Missing is ONE disgruntled executive to bring that ship down.

 

[len_jet]

Two things. You called him a thief which to me implies someone who has been charged with stealing. You also called him a criminal. That implies he has been charged with a criminal offence. He hasn't been charged with either of those.
Anyway as far as I can see he has admitted to a wrong doing and he has been punished for it. Over and done with, you need to let it go.

That was the point I was trying get across... you did a lot better than me Ms. Bee... brain is stuck in economics mode... bloody uni

 

[nutcase888]

posted by Bee
Two things. You called him a thief which to me implies someone who has been charged with stealing. You also called him a criminal. That implies he has been charged with a criminal offence. He hasn't been charged with either of those.
Anyway as far as I can see he has admitted to a wrong doing and he has been punished for it. Over and done with, you need to let it go.

My understanding is the judge called him a thief. i could be wrong but i don't think i am. In any event, regardless whether or not there is a criminal conviction, i don't see how his actions could be seen as anything less than stealing. Hence it's not slander when i am onlys tating the facts

But if Dick wants to sue me he can go ahead. i would think he would have bigger things to worry about however,

 

[len_jet]

But if Dick wants to sue me he can go ahead. i would think he would have bigger things to worry about however,

Prattys a good man, I reckon he would pick out the work experience boy, give a $500k budget and say "go get him son, make a name for yourself"

 

[Bee]

My understanding is the judge called him a thief. i could be wrong but i don't think i am. In any event, regardless whether or not there is a criminal conviction, i don't see how his actions could be seen as anything less than stealing. Hence it's not slander when i am onlys tating the facts

But if Dick wants to sue me he can go ahead. i would think he would have bigger things to worry about however,

Dick Pratt is a great man and a decent human being, however he isn't perfect. He makes mistakes, he makes decisions which turn out to be wrong, he has extra marital affairs. Nope, he aint perfect.
A bit like the Carlton Football Club. It's a great club, we love it. But it ain't perfect either. That doesn't mean you love it any less. That doesn't mean you walk away from it and adandon it because things aren't looking good.
I love the Carlton Football Club and am proud to be a member and supporter. I don't care what others think of us or say about us. I know we are a great club and no matter how bad things get we will always be a great club!
If you want to let the opinion of others get in the way of your passion and love for this club then you need to do some soul searching and ask yourself if your heart is really in it.