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The "NEWS" in this thread is that Laycock is taking big strides in becoming an AFL quality ruckman. After appearing to struggle with his weight and fitness, the big fellow appears to be making real efforts to hit the level required of this game. Added to his marking ability this is very big news for Essendon. With 2 fit and AFL quality big men they can still compete for the 8.
Longy correct me if Im wrong but isnt Hille generally good at this sort of thing, particularly for his size?
Longy correct me if Im wrong but isnt Hille generally good at this sort of thing, particularly for his size?
Smell The Glove
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True, true. It does, however, become a much easier task when you get traded to Carlton.
I think we would agree that Judd would beat Laycock and Hille in a time trial, even with a battered groin
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KING-JAMES
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One of the better posts in this thread. Laycock seems to be getting into the best shape he has been in since being in the AFL system. He has been unlucky with injury, perhaps due to bad conditioning but next year could be the one he finally puts it all together. To say he is not AFL standard is just plain stupid.
Murphy and Gibbs will build bigger motors over time, I would like to see their times last year. I saw of a picture of Murphy and he looks like he has bulked up a stack and in some top shape. Starting to really get that AFL midfield body the game requires, will be great to see him in action next year minus the tag.
Anyone else at Carlton that looks to have really put in a hard yard since the end of the season? From what I saw Anderson, Hampson and Murphy were ones that took my eye. From an essendon perspective Dempsey, Jetta, Houli and Monfries all seem to be in some great shape at this early stage.
I agree with both sides here.
Firstly coming from experience and playing aussie rules at VFL level, if you expect to play in the midfield then you should be aiming at under 11.30
As this is the first run I wouldn't be too concerned, especially the fact that these boys are kids, it will be in the comparision with their following time trials that counts.
Yes you may say that you can't win a game from running around an oval. The whole point of the time trial is to get a estimate of the improvement made in a players fitness over a certain period of time.
Now maybe Hille and Laycock have been training vigirously over the past month or so because they are close to being cut.
I would be concerned though if between now and the next time trial, which will probably be after xmas break, our guys don't show improvement.
Gibbs and Murph may not be natural distance runners, however if they are doing (carlton is doing) the right pre season training, both times should drop dramatically.
The whole idea of good preseason training is to be peaking for round 1 not 2 months away from christmas time.
GIBBS AND MURPH were not number one draft pics for no reason.
Go Blues.
Firstly coming from experience and playing aussie rules at VFL level, if you expect to play in the midfield then you should be aiming at under 11.30
As this is the first run I wouldn't be too concerned, especially the fact that these boys are kids, it will be in the comparision with their following time trials that counts.
Yes you may say that you can't win a game from running around an oval. The whole point of the time trial is to get a estimate of the improvement made in a players fitness over a certain period of time.
Now maybe Hille and Laycock have been training vigirously over the past month or so because they are close to being cut.
I would be concerned though if between now and the next time trial, which will probably be after xmas break, our guys don't show improvement.
Gibbs and Murph may not be natural distance runners, however if they are doing (carlton is doing) the right pre season training, both times should drop dramatically.
The whole idea of good preseason training is to be peaking for round 1 not 2 months away from christmas time.
GIBBS AND MURPH were not number one draft pics for no reason.
Go Blues.
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Obviously the point brought up in the OP isn't that relevant, but for everyone claiming how stupid it is, their post's are just as irrelevant.
The guy didn't say they were better players than Murph or Gibbs, but in all honest its a worthwhile point being made.
Q) What was a big problem last year?
A) Our ability to run out a game, but of course since we have Judd, that won't be a problem now right
3.2Km isn't a speed trial, it shows level of fitness, and seeing as though this is a big problem of ours, then the point of this thread has some merit.
For all those that simply bagged the OP
Then again I could be wrong, how stupid that windows wants us to improve a flaw, lets everyone else just hope Judd fixes all them for us
The guy didn't say they were better players than Murph or Gibbs, but in all honest its a worthwhile point being made.
Q) What was a big problem last year?
A) Our ability to run out a game, but of course since we have Judd, that won't be a problem now right
3.2Km isn't a speed trial, it shows level of fitness, and seeing as though this is a big problem of ours, then the point of this thread has some merit.
For all those that simply bagged the OP
Then again I could be wrong, how stupid that windows wants us to improve a flaw, lets everyone else just hope Judd fixes all them for us
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Somebody said Carlton are lazy.Weren't we the first team to come out of hibernation and start training?Proof will be in the results - the Bombers will get the spoon.
On a personal note I managed a PB time in getting up off the couch and knocking the top off a long neck last night.Have been practicing a lot lately and feel ready for some long sessions watching cricket.Would love one of those gadgets that flip the beer from the bar fridge into your waiting hands but that would be too lazy
On a personal note I managed a PB time in getting up off the couch and knocking the top off a long neck last night.Have been practicing a lot lately and feel ready for some long sessions watching cricket.Would love one of those gadgets that flip the beer from the bar fridge into your waiting hands but that would be too lazy
I don't know what his testing has been like, but he's always had a good ability to run out a game.
These initial tests have nothing to do with when you start training.
That's a direction from the top, you do what you're told.
This is all about the work the players have put in during their time off and the condition they come back to training in.
Smell The Glove
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True, but I know in the last few years many of the younger boys have made a focus of adding bulk early in the pre-season. Naturally that would impact on any sort of running times.
Just to clarify, I was speaking from an Essendon point of view...
Not having a dig at what Carlton were/are doing.
Different clubs have different expectations for this time of year.
Smell The Glove
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Of course. I wasnt critising your post, I was just speaking from the Carlton POV.
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Hille and Laycock did 11'26 around Princes Park yesterday. So much for the "amazing" effort of Cameron Cloke (11'46"). And hate to bang on about a point but it puts Murphy (11'41") and Gibbs (12'03") to shame.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
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Why have they been delisted...
I'd take those times any day of the week
what time did you run...
of i forgot you another one of us
Obviously the point brought up in the OP isn't that relevant, but for everyone claiming how stupid it is, their post's are just as irrelevant.
The guy didn't say they were better players than Murph or Gibbs, but in all honest its a worthwhile point being made.
Q) What was a big problem last year?
A) Our ability to run out a game, but of course since we have Judd, that won't be a problem now right
3.2Km isn't a speed trial, it shows level of fitness, and seeing as though this is a big problem of ours, then the point of this thread has some merit.
For all those that simply bagged the OP
Then again I could be wrong, how stupid that windows wants us to improve a flaw, lets everyone else just hope Judd fixes all them for us
Couldn't agree more
Spriggs, Chambers, David Clarke board
Why have they been delisted...
I'd take those times any day of the week
what time did you run...
of i forgot you another one of us
???? What are you trying to say? Spriggs, chambers, David Clarke were delisted because they did so well in the time trials?
If you think those times are good, then your kidding yourself.
What does Window's time trial got to do with anything?
Carlton problem last year was, we are small bodied and not fit enough to run a game out. Not saying thats going to happen over night, but players are meant to be accountable of their weight during the off season, and maintain their fitness
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1st point: i named those players because they ran the time trial in awsome times yet they are not on any1's list anymore... why... because they had no football ability, just running ability... and they are not the only ones.
2nd point: it seemed as though we were not fit enough but we didnt have the depth in the midfield to give sustained pressure throughout 4 quarters. We had a 18 & 19y/o being expected to do more than what they should be doing ala Sellwood, and a 33 y/o busting his gut to help out with our younger blokes.
Look at W.C at the beginning of last year you would see them at stages taking off Kerr and replacing him with Judd.
We would take off Murphy and bring on Bentick.
See the difference.
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I agree with your point about depth being a problem, but come on, you cant seriously say fitness wasn't an issue at all last year. If we are going to improve we need to be honest with ourselves, and be critical of our weakness'.
Like I said, Im persoanlly not worried about the times, but there is also no need to bag others that are, IMO it only shows we're looking at all aspects which need improvement which is a good thing.
Its no different than people saying Walker needs to improve his kicking, or our younger guys need to bulk up.
Put it this way, since depth was such as issue last year, if anything our top line players should be working harder at their fitness levels so they can stay out there longer. And for those that say there plenty of time, I agree, but it obviously didnt do any harm to the Kangaroos to put in the hard yards early on now did it.
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the only reason why fitness was an issue is because they were being burnt in the 1st 3 quarters and had nothing left in the last quarter, by Pagan's game plan. When the opposition had the luxury of taking off key personel after 7 minutes our boys would still be out there busting a gut until the 15th minute mark. They bloody train 5 days a week, almost everything they do comes back to their game day preparation. To say that they are not fit is completely nonsence.
Hille and Laycock did 11'26 around Princes Park yesterday. So much for the "amazing" effort of Cameron Cloke (11'46"). And hate to bang on about a point but it puts Murphy (11'41") and Gibbs (12'03") to shame.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
R u serious??? OmGzzz...
im ripping up my membership right now. this is an outrage man.
how do i change my username to bomberfan cause 'hille and laycock' sound like superstars.
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Well i agree with you diesel that we were small bodied and not fit enough but this can happen when you are one of, if not the youngest list in the comp. Maturity in body and mind takes time no matter how much talent a player may or may not have. Hille and Laycock have been around for quite some time now if im right? Question is which area do you try and improve first... Personally i'd think it would be best to put the bulk on first to solve our small bodied problem(which obviously would effect time trial times) and then concentrate on getting fitness levels to their optimum by round 1! It is only november remember. We have many things to work on but im sure King Dick and Swanny will make sure we have the right people on board to help us achieve this
Well i agree with you diesel that we were small bodied and not fit enough but this can happen when you are one of, if not the youngest list in the comp. Maturity in body and mind takes time no matter how much talent a player may or may not have. Hille and Laycock have been around for quite some time now if im right? Question is which area do you try and improve first... Personally i'd think it would be best to put the bulk on first to solve our small bodied problem(which obviously would effect time trial times) and then concentrate on getting fitness levels to their optimum by round 1! It is only november remember. We have many things to work on but im sure King Dick and Swanny will make sure we have the right people on board to help us achieve this
Yeh thats fine, the problem I have is that people on this board think Judd answers all our prayers and are not critical of times. If times mean so little then why do AFL clubs record their times everytime they do it?
I'm sure if Ackland run a better time then Jason Johnson or Bachar Houli, the Essendon board will be littered with insults.
Why is it that when pictures were up on this board of players that no-one said anything about Stevens condition, when just last week we were slaming Whitnall? If I remember correctly, Stevens was running since June, so his neck injury shouldn't be a factor in his weight issues.
These time trials are important because they give us an indication who is putting the hard yards during the break and whos not. We aren't a premership side, and if we are ever going to improve we need to be in condition from the 1st training session. We should take a leaf out of Kangroos book. Let's hope Ratten gives them a kick up the back side
I thought Laycock didn't go too bad against your boys in round 20??
You would hardly call Ackland a ruckman, wouldnt you?
I guess..