Why Chris Judd Should/Shouldn't Be Captain

[Beloved]

Okay, now this debate is spread out all over the place across the Carlton board, so I figured i'd bring it all into the one thread.

The idea here is to put forward why you beleive Chris Judd should and/or should not be captain for our club next year.

I beleive Chris Judd should be captain for us next year because he's got the experience of a captain, so he knows how do handle with the pressure of leading a club. He's won countless awards and is not afraid of putting in the hard yards.

I beleive Chris Judd should not be captain because he has come from another team and is yet to even play a game for Carlton yet, so we have no idea where he's at after his groin surgery and how he will perform at a new club with different players to those at WC.

 

[Thrawn]

I'd might as well copy and paste what I've written in the two other threads.

 

[Bluebear]

So are you supposed to present two opposing views, or just which one you think and why?

For mine, I think CJ should be captain IF he demonstrates during the next 6 weeks that ONFIELD he is a good leader, and with the leadership tasks in SA.

Stevens may have a better chance at doing this due to injury management.

My money is moving towards co-captains.
Stevens and Judd (C)
Simmo and Carrats (VC)
Fev and Scotty (DVC)

 

[Beloved]

So are you supposed to present two opposing views, or just which one you think and why?

The super magic of this is that you've got a choice of writing both or just the one your strongly beleive in.

 

[kaipwn]

please Nick Stevens for me! As much as i love CJ i just dont think it would be a wise choice to put him outright Cptn of a team he has never played for, it may breed mild resentment amongst those who would wish their name up there as they have committed themselves to the club and feel they hav eproven their Loyalty. For these reasons i can only see one person for the job. Carlton also probably owe it to nick for staying on at carlton through the harsh times when it wasn't even his wish to come and play for the club initially. I think Stevens will grow even more with this role and will take it very seriously, the opportunity to lead the boys will show him that Carlton is thankful for his loyalty and dedication.

 

[HBF]

please Nick Stevens for me! As much as i love CJ i just dont think it would be a wise choice to put him outright Cptn of a team he has never played for, it may breed mild resentment amongst those who would wish their name up there as they have committed themselves to the club and feel they hav eproven their Loyalty. For these reasons i can only see one person for the job. Carlton also probably owe it to nick for staying on at carlton through the harsh times when it wasn't even his wish to come and play for the club initially. I think Stevens will grow even more with this role and will take it very seriously, the opportunity to lead the boys will show him that Carlton is thankful for his loyalty and dedication.

I wouldn't worry about that at all mate. Given that the players have voted for it, if CJ's name does come up, then he would know that the players respect him enough to make him captain. It'll be his job to have if he wants it.

 

[MBIB]

Judd should not be captain. Despite being arguably the best player in the league, he hasn't played for Carlton yet.
I don't think it's right to give it to him straight away and I'm still convinced judging by interviews that he doesn't want it.
I just want him to concentrate on playing, you can still lead without being named a captain.

 

[SA Blueblood]

I wouldn't worry about that at all mate. Given that the players have voted for it, if CJ's name does come up, then he would know that the players respect him enough to make him captain. It'll be his job to have if he wants it.

Spot on HBF, this whole setup is designed for ratts to see who the group respects and looks up to, imo ratts wants judd to captain he's just doing it in a very clever way to show the public and probably more importantly Juddy that he is accepted and respected. I believe ratts did it this way to possibly convince a hesitant Chris Judd into accepting the offer of captaincy. I do have an opinion on who should be captain but honestly that doesn't matter because i'm not involved enough to know the best choice for the club. I don't care who is captain as long as it is the best choice for the club to move forward.

 

[#1 Dogs Fan]

Reason he should get captaincy.

He should be Captain because he ticks all boxes for the captaincy and lets face it their isn't a better role model on and of the field for the group then Judd ?
He is simply a great person and really pushes him self and players react to that. I heard at training the other day. Training finished and the players headed for the changing rooms, Judd stayed back and just ran laps so a couple of players decided to take it upon them self to do like wise one of them was big FEV quite surprisingly.
That in its self pretty much proves my point of a great leader


Reason he shouldn't get captaincy.

First of he hasn't played a single game for the mighty blues which beats the purpose of wearing your team color with your heart.

Secondly when he was appointed captain of West Coast he wasn't comfortable taking it because..
...A. He had big shoes to fill.
...B. He wasn't known as the captain because Cuz was the spiritual leader.
...c Looked as if he was forced into taking it at a young age ?

other than that i have no other reason..

Personally i hope he does get captaincy he is a top player/bloke and he will deliver and be a great leader for the blues in the future.

 

[Thrawn]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't believe Judd should be captain.

He's played zero games for us, hasn't done anything on the field for us... and it may even put that little more pressure on him he doesn't need. The bloke has just moved from WA and into a new club, sheesh, let him settle down a little bit. Sure, he's one of the best players in the league but he has to prove himself in our jumper first.

What about the players who have worked their arses off and have shown enough to be captain material, and have been at the club for a while now... Stevens or Simpson for example? I say give Judd some time to settle ON THE FIELD first, get him to strut his stuff and actually get him to prove himself on the field in a Carlton jumper first.

Give Simpson the job I reckon. Courageous, very skilled, usually consistent, has shown plenty of leadership for our club when he was stand-in captain and lead by example. I understand why everyone is so jumpy about Judd, but I think it's a little premature.

People are also failing to remember what kind of burden the captaincy might put on Judd. I'd rather see him just play and not be bothered, if he can concentrate more on his game then that's a good thing.

 

[Kenny Hunter]

Please stop the crap with Judd just got here at Carlton and he is yet to play for Carlton and shouldn't be captain YET..

Judd is the best player in the comp, brownlow winner and Premiership captain and probaly one the most respected players in the league viewed by other players from all clubs

He wanted to play for Carlton, compared that to Nick Stevens when he came to club , forced in the end when Port and collingwood failed to do a deal , stevens only here because we had first pick then

Judd wants to be here , is a born leader , is the best player , let's stop f*cking around and make him captain , we gave up alot to get him here.

The club has lacked leadership since Ratten ,Mckay and Bradley retired.

And he would have the backing of the players ,WHY ? Fev is backing him and Fev is a major personality in the rooms and if he is backing Judd u know the players would be ok with it about the only one who might not would be Stevens because he is only other choice right now

 

[Thrawn]

I don't see it as crap... it's a matter of fact.

I don't care who you are, you need to prove yourself as a leader with our club first because you can even become captain. That is just my opinion however, and I understand the reasons against it. Though I don't necessarily believe the best player at the club is the best leader, considering thus far he hasn't even lead us in battle yet. While a couple of other players who have been waiting for this chance for years most likely, has.

If that makes me a fool, to think that the captaincy shouldn't be so easily given out (perhaps even as a token gesture more than anything), then so be it.

 

[albyg]

I am leaning towards juddy and stevo being co-captains as well like another poster mentioned. Obviously CJ would be captain imo if he was at Carlton previously and he would be more comfortable about it, however by giving him co-captaincy stevo wouldnt get his feathers ruffled and juddy would be allowed to settle into the club withouth the sole burden of being Captain.

The other reason i would have judd at least as a co-captain is because imo its mentally intimidating when other teams playing Carlton see the MIGHTY BLUES being led onto the ground by JUDD. The first thing opposition teams see is the master himself leading out his troops, theyre already thinking how we gonna stop him. Maybe i am clutching at straws with this, however i am a big believer like, TJ Whitten who said that, 'footy is mainly played between the ears', and if we can get any small mental advantage from having judd lead them, i say take it.

 

[albyg]

I don't see it as crap... it's a matter of fact.

I don't care who you are, you need to prove yourself as a leader with our club first because you can even become captain. That is just my opinion however, and I understand the reasons against it. Though I don't necessarily believe the best player at the club is the best leader, considering thus far he hasn't even lead us in battle yet. While a couple of other players who have been waiting for this chance for years most likely, has.

If that makes me a fool, to think that the captaincy shouldn't be so easily given out (perhaps even as a token gesture more than anything), then so be it.

IMO both he and Stevo should share the captaincy. However in regards to proving himself I think he has already done this by taking the guys on extra running sessions off his own bat, to try and get them to his level. Beating the time around Princes Park by 20 seconds without anyone really telling him to go for it is a big reflection of the work ethic he has and that is needed. By doing that he is leading and showing what is needed to succeed, (which he has had individually and much much more importantly as part of a team).

Also you dont have to be in battle against opposition teams to be in a battle. Half the battle is getting yourself prepared mentally and physically to date he has done both.

I see your point about playing and everything, however atm imo we dont have any senior players who have the same credentials and natural leadership qualities the only one close is Stevo and therefore to ease the burden of Judd being an apprehensive Captain they should share it.

 

[#1 Dogs Fan]

Does any one know when Carlton when announce their captain for 08 ?

 

[true_blue_69]

Does any one know when Carlton when announce their captain for 08 ?

after the NAB CUP I think

leadership group has been announced.....apparently the club will watch & see how they go in South Africa & during the NAB Cup....
each one of the leadership group will be given their chance to lead the group apparently..... then decision will be made

just what I have read

 

[Silvagnis]

Judd shouldn't be Captain because he hasn't played for the Blues before.

Lance should have been made Captain if he had played on because he has played 216 games for Carlton.

Is that your argument?

There's no burden if he can lead the Eagles to a flag when they were falling apart off the field and he's one of the most professional players in the AFL.

Why does Chris need to prove himself in the jumper?

It's not like our boys won't respond to Judd's captaincy just because he hasn't played for Carlton and Stevens or Simpson were snubbed. And I doubt this club is going to give the captaincy out easily just because Judd is one of the best players in the competition and a big name.

They would give the captaincy to Fev if that was the case and the club isn't that stupid.

Having Judd captaining Carlton will draw more attention for the club and our sponsors than Stevens and Simpson.

That's a fact.

I struggle to recall Simpson speaking to the media before.

 

[thylacine60]

I reckon you'd be stiff if your chances of the captaincy relied on you taking over for a few quarters in SA and during the NAB Cup and the results that followed. What if we were pumped under your captaincy? What are you supposed to do, make as many decisions as possible while you have the leadership? Yell out a lot? Wave your arms a lot? Sounds like possibly a good setup for panic.

Give the ****ing thing to Stevo as they should have done last year. If he'd been captain he never would have stuffed his neck anyway. God smiles on Carlton captains.

 

[Thrawn]

IMO both he and Stevo should share the captaincy.

I think that would work, to ease the burden if not anything else.

However in regards to proving himself I think he has already done this by taking the guys on extra running sessions off his own bat, to try and get them to his level. Beating the time around Princes Park by 20 seconds without anyone really telling him to go for it is a big reflection of the work ethic he has and that is needed. By doing that he is leading and showing what is needed to succeed, (which he has had individually and much much more importantly as part of a team).

It's one thing training your arse off and leading by example there, another thing entirely showing leadership on the field. He'll need to do that with us.

I've seen plenty of training reports where various players encouraged, did extra work, were enthusiastic, etc but come crunch time that effort was wasted.

 

[Thrawn]

Judd shouldn't be Captain because he hasn't played for the Blues before.

Lance should have been made Captain if he had played on because he has played 216 games for Carlton.

Yes and no. At the time Lance was picked as captain, he was our best choice - even if that choice in the end turned out sub par. Try not to look at the benefit of hindsight, in the previous years Lance had good leadership qualities and often instructed players from the back half. It's a huge shame his knee was buggered though.

There's no burden if he can lead the Eagles to a flag

He was in a different environment, with a different group of players and with different expectations. He had wonderful support on the field, and played with a lot of the WC team for years so he knew how they ticked, so to speak.

So yes, in this case, there is. He's never played with any of our players before, has just found himself in a totally new team; with a new coach, gameplan/gamestyle and new faces. And not forgetting the fact he's coming back from injury.

Why does Chris need to prove himself in the jumper?

Because every player does, why is he exempt? Because he's... Chris Judd, right?

Having Judd captaining Carlton will draw more attention for the club and our sponsors than Stevens and Simpson.

We'll be getting the benefits based on his presence in the team alone, anyways. I'd be more worried about how that extra burden may potentially impact his game though.

I struggle to recall Simpson speaking to the media before.

Does he have to? He's always been a low profile player in the media.

In any case, I don't expect Judd to gell in straight away and dominate... I am expecting a settlement period. I guess we'll see. One of the prerequisites of being a captain was to show your wares with the team in the heart of battle - and Judd shouldn't be exempt from this. That's he's done nothing on the field for us so far means a lot.

Look, even if he gets the position I'll accept it - even if I don't agree totally with it. I have faith that Judd will be very good for us, but in the meantime, giving him captain + the extra pressure is IMO premature.

 

[Monkey King]

Last year there was speculation Lance got the job over Nick due to his being more of a Carlton man and look where that got us. Let's just choose a guy who is committed and sets the best example; who demonstrates the best leadership qualities; a guy the players really respond to. Let's choose a leader of men, irrespective of what jumper he has or hasn't worn before.

 

[thylacine60]

You don't think some players might become a little disgruntled if CJ just walks into the role? Or does the "they should be so lucky" factor over-ride that?

 

[Dramoth]

Why does Chris need to prove himself in the jumper?

I dont think that he should be given the captaincy before he has proved himself in the jumper.

To answer your question with 2 questions... When did Sticks arrive at the club and when did Carlton make him the captain.

Sticks proved himself in the jumper before he was made the captain and he went on to be our most successful captain.

It didnt matter that he was an excellent onfield leader, he had to prove himself before he got the job.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't believe Judd should be captain.

He's played zero games for us, hasn't done anything on the field for us... and it may even put that little more pressure on him he doesn't need. The bloke has just moved from WA and into a new club, sheesh, let him settle down a little bit. Sure, he's one of the best players in the league but he has to prove himself in our jumper first.

What about the players who have worked their arses off and have shown enough to be captain material, and have been at the club for a while now... Stevens or Simpson for example? I say give Judd some time to settle ON THE FIELD first, get him to strut his stuff and actually get him to prove himself on the field in a Carlton jumper first.

Give Simpson the job I reckon. Courageous, very skilled, usually consistent, has shown plenty of leadership for our club when he was stand-in captain and lead by example. I understand why everyone is so jumpy about Judd, but I think it's a little premature.

People are also failing to remember what kind of burden the captaincy might put on Judd. I'd rather see him just play and not be bothered, if he can concentrate more on his game then that's a good thing.

somebody please turn the record player off....I think it is stuck

 

[Thrawn]

You don't think some players might become a little disgruntled if CJ just walks into the role? Or does the "they should be so lucky" factor over-ride that?

Very good point.