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  • G'Day mianfei! I got your name from another bloke from another footy web page. He told you me you may be able to help me out. Im chasing a copy of the 1986 afl State of origin match wa v vic.... Do you have a copy you could give / sell to me or point me in the right direction? I really want to get my hands on it for a gift for my old man...Cheers!
    Started watching football in 1976 and attended my first game the following year, so the 1975 match is a little before my time.
    Re Richmond v St.Kilda 1985 - can remember listening to it on the radio but can't remember why I wasn't at the game. Only ever saw a handful of highlights, including the unfashionably (at the time) bald Dean Notting snapping one over his head.

    Just got yer message. I was 10 at the time so my memories of the Melbourne game are vague at best, but my memories of the season proper are nothing but snap shots. Your assessment however sounds logical.
    If you read Hans Hoppe (whom I noted on beginning this post) you would gain a very strong impression that, whilst AFL support may not have been the cause of Richmond's poor management over the past 30 years, there is still a strong likelihood that AFL support prevented any efforts that might have occurred to improve the quality of the management of Richmond.

    I will also say here that Hoppe would firmly say that no club should be offered support whatsoever, no matter what financial condition it is in. He believes that clubs should be required to make a profit even if that means losing all top players - or more likely with the AFL of the 1990s multiple mergers or relocations, which would have given the advantage of not requiring new admissions to expand the competition.
    I think the AFL should support all of their clubs. Richmond's poor management could have occurred, whether the AFL supported them or not. I doubt that AFL support encouraged their poor management.
    Ron, I can see what you say.

    One thing I think people do not recognise is the ground rationalisation and covered stadiums have actually helped encourage defensive play.

    I imagine some people think that playing defensively would pay in the wet, but if you carefully study football from the late 1980s and early 1990s, you will see that in fact is was the more defence-oriented sides who would tend to fail in adverse conditions. This was especially true of Carlton and West Coast, who had brilliant defences that could destroy Sydney (that was one of the best team efforts I've seen in Round 19 of 1987) and Geelong.

    More attacking teams like Hawthorn and North Melbourne were the ones who tended to perform well on wet grounds, because their aggressive, direct running play could score easily when a kick-and-mark game like today's would fail.
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