What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? (Part 1 - cont in Part 2)

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GWS hosting a final. What a joke! The rent a crowd will be out in force on the weekend. I am sure the AFL will be praying for an all Sydney final. The two teams who are not allowed to fail. Spend millions of dollars in Sydney Pff...Any wonder the game is slowly dying at the grassroots in Victoria.
 

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Moody Blue said:
GWS hosting a final. What a joke! The rent a crowd will be out in force on the weekend. I am sure the AFL will be praying for an all Sydney final. The two teams who are not allowed to fail. Spend millions of dollars in Sydney Pff...Any wonder the game is slowly dying at the grassroots in Victoria.
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Yes, with 8 of the last 9 flags it has been a real barren spell for Victorian sides in the AFL.
 
Keithy George said:
Struggles against good opponents - goes to ground on a whim.
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Against the top 8 this year:

15 disposals, 1.3 vs North
19 disposals, 4.1 vs Sydney
10 disposals, 3.0 vs Hawthorn
12 disposals, 0.1 vs Bulldogs
15 disposals, 2.2 vs Geelong
15 disposals, 5.2 vs GWS
14 disposals, 5.2 vs West Coast
14 disposals, 2.4 vs North
11 disposals, 1.0 vs Geelong
10 disposals, 1.0 vs West Coast
12 disposals, 6.0 vs North
8 disposals, 3.1 vs Adelaide

33 goals in 12 games. Averaging 13 touches.
 
adammania9 said:
Equalisation is working and very well indeed - clearly proven by how equal the comp was for so many teams in 2016 and the fact that 50% of semi-finals in the last 3 years have involved a team going out in straight sets.
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Especially given that the players driving that flag-winning dynasty were drafted at 1 (Hodge), 2 (Roughead), 5 (Franklin), 6-10 somewhere (Lewis) and admittedly Mitchell was a steal.

That is literally how equalisation is supposed to work.
 
PhatBoy said:
Yes, with 8 of the last 9 flags it has been a real barren spell for Victorian sides in the AFL.
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In the last 15 years Interstate teams have participated in 14 Grand Finals. What is your point?.

Brisbane 4 Grand finals
Port Adelaide 2 Grand Finals
West Coast 3 Grand Finals
Sydney 4 Grand Finals
Fremantle 1 Grand Final

GWS is a joke. The players can't wait to get out of the place, and Western Sydney has zero interest in the game. We are told it is a 30 year project.
Let's examine the previous 30 year project.... Sydney. After Edelsten left, Sydney was being bailed out by the AFL for a decade or more. When Fitzroy needed to be bailed out, the AFL couldn't find the money. I lived in Sydney at the time, and I vivdly recall the creative crowd numbers the AFL would conjure. It was the subject of much humour amongst Rugby diehards.Crowds of 3-4000 miraculously converted to 14-16,000. God we used to count the crowd and take bets what the AFL would publish!!! Now they are repeating it with GWS.

Now Sydney cannot be allowed to fail. Carlton was fined and lost selections for paying players under the table. Sydney never had to worry about that problem because the AFL was doing their books! They received a 10% C.O.L.A allowance because they were Sydney. They can accommodate 2 players who earn 1 million dollars per year and ofcourse no issue. When Buddy tells the world he is leaving Hawthorn for GWS the AFL tut tut and say these things will happen. When he actually moved to Sydney, the AFL is furious and they cut Sydney's C.O.L.A. How many millions did the AFL spend on Israel Folau? Why not pump that money into grass roots development or in the schools where it is desperately needed? No they spend it on a player who was never going to succeed. Meanwhile Etihad continue to rip off clubs and spectators, and crowds plummet because people do not have endless deep pockets to keep paying and paying. Football at grass roots continues to struggle as clubs merge or fold and Football Victoria desperately tries to reduce player payments from destroying the game. You have to hand to Football Victoria. They employ God knows how many staff and yet it has taken them over a decade to address the issue of money in local football. The AFL has lost the primary schools and soccer is growing. The only saving grace for the AFL is that soccer's pathway is blocked by lack of opportunity for talented kids at the highest level. Thgey either have to take a chance and move overseas, or be satisfied with playing in the Metropolitan Leagues and hope they get noticed. If Football Australia ever get their act together, then they will leave the AFL & NRL eating dust.
 
Moody Blue said:
In the last 15 years Interstate teams have participated in 14 Grand Finals. What is your point?.

Brisbane 4 Grand finals
Port Adelaide 2 Grand Finals
West Coast 3 Grand Finals
Sydney 4 Grand Finals
Fremantle 1 Grand Final

GWS is a joke. The players can't wait to get out of the place, and Western Sydney has zero interest in the game. We are told it is a 30 year project.
Let's examine the previous 30 year project.... Sydney. After Edelsten left, Sydney was being bailed out by the AFL for a decade or more. When Fitzroy needed to be bailed out, the AFL couldn't find the money. I lived in Sydney at the time, and I vivdly recall the creative crowd numbers the AFL would conjure. It was the subject of much humour amongst Rugby diehards.Crowds of 3-4000 miraculously converted to 14-16,000. God we used to count the crowd and take bets what the AFL would publish!!! Now they are repeating it with GWS.

Now Sydney cannot be allowed to fail. Carlton was fined and lost selections for paying players under the table. Sydney never had to worry about that problem because the AFL was doing their books! They received a 10% C.O.L.A allowance because they were Sydney. They can accommodate 2 players who earn 1 million dollars per year and ofcourse no issue. When Buddy tells the world he is leaving Hawthorn for GWS the AFL tut tut and say these things will happen. When he actually moved to Sydney, the AFL is furious and they cut Sydney's C.O.L.A. How many millions did the AFL spend on Israel Folau? Why not pump that money into grass roots development or in the schools where it is desperately needed? No they spend it on a player who was never going to succeed. Meanwhile Etihad continue to rip off clubs and spectators, and crowds plummet because people do not have endless deep pockets to keep paying and paying. Football at grass roots continues to struggle as clubs merge or fold and Football Victoria desperately tries to reduce player payments from destroying the game. You have to hand to Football Victoria. They employ God knows how many staff and yet it has taken them over a decade to address the issue of money in local football. The AFL has lost the primary schools and soccer is growing. The only saving grace for the AFL is that soccer's pathway is blocked by lack of opportunity for talented kids at the highest level. Thgey either have to take a chance and move overseas, or be satisfied with playing in the Metropolitan Leagues and hope they get noticed. If Football Australia ever get their act together, then they will leave the AFL & NRL eating dust.
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Bolded wont last long if they get a flag.
 
Patrick Cripps is overhyped due to being at a traditionally big club.

Will win his fair share of clearances throughout his career because of his size but doesn't have enough weapons to really be one of the best
 

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Moody Blue said:
In the last 15 years Interstate teams have participated in 14 Grand Finals. What is your point?.

Brisbane 4 Grand finals
Port Adelaide 2 Grand Finals
West Coast 3 Grand Finals
Sydney 4 Grand Finals
Fremantle 1 Grand Final

GWS is a joke. The players can't wait to get out of the place, and Western Sydney has zero interest in the game. We are told it is a 30 year project.
Let's examine the previous 30 year project.... Sydney. After Edelsten left, Sydney was being bailed out by the AFL for a decade or more. When Fitzroy needed to be bailed out, the AFL couldn't find the money. I lived in Sydney at the time, and I vivdly recall the creative crowd numbers the AFL would conjure. It was the subject of much humour amongst Rugby diehards.Crowds of 3-4000 miraculously converted to 14-16,000. God we used to count the crowd and take bets what the AFL would publish!!! Now they are repeating it with GWS.

Now Sydney cannot be allowed to fail. Carlton was fined and lost selections for paying players under the table. Sydney never had to worry about that problem because the AFL was doing their books! They received a 10% C.O.L.A allowance because they were Sydney. They can accommodate 2 players who earn 1 million dollars per year and ofcourse no issue. When Buddy tells the world he is leaving Hawthorn for GWS the AFL tut tut and say these things will happen. When he actually moved to Sydney, the AFL is furious and they cut Sydney's C.O.L.A. How many millions did the AFL spend on Israel Folau? Why not pump that money into grass roots development or in the schools where it is desperately needed? No they spend it on a player who was never going to succeed. Meanwhile Etihad continue to rip off clubs and spectators, and crowds plummet because people do not have endless deep pockets to keep paying and paying. Football at grass roots continues to struggle as clubs merge or fold and Football Victoria desperately tries to reduce player payments from destroying the game. You have to hand to Football Victoria. They employ God knows how many staff and yet it has taken them over a decade to address the issue of money in local football. The AFL has lost the primary schools and soccer is growing. The only saving grace for the AFL is that soccer's pathway is blocked by lack of opportunity for talented kids at the highest level. Thgey either have to take a chance and move overseas, or be satisfied with playing in the Metropolitan Leagues and hope they get noticed. If Football Australia ever get their act together, then they will leave the AFL & NRL eating dust.
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Moody Blue said:
In the last 15 years Interstate teams have participated in 14 Grand Finals. What is your point?.

Brisbane 4 Grand finals
Port Adelaide 2 Grand Finals
West Coast 3 Grand Finals
Sydney 4 Grand Finals
Fremantle 1 Grand Final

GWS is a joke. The players can't wait to get out of the place, and Western Sydney has zero interest in the game. We are told it is a 30 year project.
Let's examine the previous 30 year project.... Sydney. After Edelsten left, Sydney was being bailed out by the AFL for a decade or more. When Fitzroy needed to be bailed out, the AFL couldn't find the money. I lived in Sydney at the time, and I vivdly recall the creative crowd numbers the AFL would conjure. It was the subject of much humour amongst Rugby diehards.Crowds of 3-4000 miraculously converted to 14-16,000. God we used to count the crowd and take bets what the AFL would publish!!! Now they are repeating it with GWS.

Now Sydney cannot be allowed to fail. Carlton was fined and lost selections for paying players under the table. Sydney never had to worry about that problem because the AFL was doing their books! They received a 10% C.O.L.A allowance because they were Sydney. They can accommodate 2 players who earn 1 million dollars per year and ofcourse no issue. When Buddy tells the world he is leaving Hawthorn for GWS the AFL tut tut and say these things will happen. When he actually moved to Sydney, the AFL is furious and they cut Sydney's C.O.L.A. How many millions did the AFL spend on Israel Folau? Why not pump that money into grass roots development or in the schools where it is desperately needed? No they spend it on a player who was never going to succeed. Meanwhile Etihad continue to rip off clubs and spectators, and crowds plummet because people do not have endless deep pockets to keep paying and paying. Football at grass roots continues to struggle as clubs merge or fold and Football Victoria desperately tries to reduce player payments from destroying the game. You have to hand to Football Victoria. They employ God knows how many staff and yet it has taken them over a decade to address the issue of money in local football. The AFL has lost the primary schools and soccer is growing. The only saving grace for the AFL is that soccer's pathway is blocked by lack of opportunity for talented kids at the highest level. Thgey either have to take a chance and move overseas, or be satisfied with playing in the Metropolitan Leagues and hope they get noticed. If Football Australia ever get their act together, then they will leave the AFL & NRL eating dust.
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No mention of the millions of dollars they are being able to pump into country and junior footy in NSW for the precise reason that the Giants exist?

You want to bang on about what's being done to prop up the game in traditional areas - stop for a minute and think about it. Will the game ever die in those areas? No, of course it wont.

Will it ever thrive in the northern states? Only if it is heavily promoted.

I'm a league fan who follows the only club to contest every season in the history of the NSWRL/NRL.

I have absolutely no dramas seeing the Melbourne Storm helped out because it is the only way the game will thrive on any level in Victoria. I didn't even really hold it against them when they cheated the cap - as a non rugby league area, Melbourne has to pay overs for every single player they get, cost of living or no cost of living. When Sydney afl teams are being made up almost entirely of Victorian players, the same applies - they have to pay overs to keep people away from their home areas.

Get over it mate. See the game grow and deal with a few inconveniences that might seem unfair, or see the game go back to being existent in 3 states and having none of the national presence it currently has.
 
By the way, 14 grand final spots out of 30, when almost half the competition is made up of interstate sides and 11 of those GF berths have gone to interstate sides that have been in the comp since the 1980s is a pretty irrelevant stat.
 
ManOfClay said:
Patrick Cripps is overhyped due to being at a traditionally big club.

Will win his fair share of clearances throughout his career because of his size but doesn't have enough weapons to really be one of the best
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Played a lot of games clearly injured this year as well as two players hanging off him. Had little support apart from the much maligned Gibbs. Need another quality midfielder and Murphy back in the team. I would love to see him spend some time in the forward line. Strong mark, but like so many footballers in today's era seems to freeze when he has to kick a tiny football through two large posts 6.4 metres apart. If the airline industry were as accepting of failure as AFL coaches and clubs are, we would have planes falling out of the sky every hour.
 
PhatBoy said:
No mention of the millions of dollars they are being able to pump into country and junior footy in NSW for the precise reason that the Giants exist?

You want to bang on about what's being done to prop up the game in traditional areas - stop for a minute and think about it. Will the game ever die in those areas? No, of course it wont.

Will it ever thrive in the northern states? Only if it is heavily promoted.

I'm a league fan who follows the only club to contest every season in the history of the NSWRL/NRL.

I have absolutely no dramas seeing the Melbourne Storm helped out because it is the only way the game will thrive on any level in Victoria. I didn't even really hold it against them when they cheated the cap - as a non rugby league area, Melbourne has to pay overs for every single player they get, cost of living or no cost of living. When Sydney afl teams are being made up almost entirely of Victorian players, the same applies - they have to pay overs to keep people away from their home areas.

Get over it mate. See the game grow and deal with a few inconveniences that might seem unfair, or see the game go back to being existent in 3 states and having none of the national presence it currently has.
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The game is dying in the heartland, but the AFL is worried about Sydney. No problem at all with developing the game. I have an issue that the AFL has manipulated and ensured Sydney does not bottom out and they will do the same with the GWS. How strong is the game in QLD? They have ignored QLD and now they are paying the price. The AFL is Sydney centric.

Melbourne Storm are a boutique team. There is zero chance that a second team would be formed in Melbourne. Who supports the Storm? Expat Kiwis and Sydneysiders and Queenslanders? The Storm is despised in the NRL and many clubs don't want them in the competition, hence the reason for the tough penalty they copped. Parammatta by comparison got a slap on the wrist as did Cronulla. Then you have the Rebels. They are the equivalent of GWS. No one cares except Kiwi expats. Always fascinates me about Union how it is an 80 minutes game, but they can spend upto 20 minutes just doing nothing. Setting up a scrum....three times or a line out or a penalty goal. Why don't they stop the clock? I suppose the fat guys couldn't last more than 80 minutes.
 
PhatBoy said:
By the way, 14 grand final spots out of 30, when almost half the competition is made up of interstate sides and 11 of those GF berths have gone to interstate sides that have been in the comp since the 1980s is a pretty irrelevant stat.
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Nope. My figures were since 2001.
 
Moody Blue said:
The game is dying in the heartland, but the AFL is worried about Sydney. No problem at all with developing the game. I have an issue that the AFL has manipulated and ensured Sydney does not bottom out and they will do the same with the GWS. How strong is the game in QLD? They have ignored QLD and now they are paying the price. The AFL is Sydney centric.

Melbourne Storm are a boutique team. There is zero chance that a second team would be formed in Melbourne. Who supports the Storm? Expat Kiwis and Sydneysiders and Queenslanders? The Storm is despised in the NRL and many clubs don't want them in the competition, hence the reason for the tough penalty they copped. Parammatta by comparison got a slap on the wrist as did Cronulla. Then you have the Rebels. They are the equivalent of GWS. No one cares except Kiwi expats. Always fascinates me about Union how it is an 80 minutes game, but they can spend upto 20 minutes just doing nothing. Setting up a scrum....three times or a line out or a penalty goal. Why don't they stop the clock? I suppose the fat guys couldn't last more than 80 minutes.
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The only thing people despise about Melbourne is their willingness to get around rules in and around the ruck. There are multiple more hated teams.

The tough penalty they copped was to be stripped of two premierships they won when it was revealed that they had won them while cheating. Sorry to burst your bubble but the Bulldogs, had they won anything, would have suffered the same penalty. They had an entire season's worth of points stripped when they were almost certain to win the title. The only differences were that a) the dogs hadn't won anything and b) they got caught while cheating not after the fact. No idea what their justification was with the eels, but the dogs are a club with a huge, huge supporter base and they had no trouble cutting their points.

Do you really think that Sydney wouldn't have stayed competitive without Buddy or Tippet? They've been doing in since Lockett kicked that point on the 96 prelim. They would and will manage without AFL assistance.

Everything you've said just reeks of the sort of 'you don't belong here' attitude that holds back any sport that seeks to expand itself.
 
ManOfClay said:
Patrick Cripps is overhyped due to being at a traditionally big club.

Will win his fair share of clearances throughout his career because of his size but doesn't have enough weapons to really be one of the best
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He's under hyped because he plays for a traditionally mocked club who are treated as irrelevant. He was one of the best contested midfielders in the comp this year, and got nothing near the praises of his comparisons; Bontempelli (with fair reason) and Merrett.
 
adammania9 said:
He's under hyped because he plays for a traditionally mocked club who are treated as irrelevant. He was one of the best contested midfielders in the comp this year, and got nothing near the praises of his comparisons; Bontempelli (with fair reason) and Merrett.
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I think he is well regarded enough but he does have a limitation or two that might hold him back from his peers.
 
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