AFLW 2017 - R3 - What have you liked, learnt or hated?

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The VWFL has been around since 1981. The league has had 35 years to prepare. Stop making out this happened overnight.

Actually, Id argue with the WBBL underway to good results, and the W-league at a relatively weak point, league dragging its feet, and the Sevens getting a boost from the Olympics, this was probably the perfect time to launch a womens competition.

Even if you ignore the economic benefits and the code wars aspects, a national league is the logical next step for the growth of grassroots women's footy.

Plenty of girls start footy because of the AFLW rolemodels and many of them will continue through being teenagers. But it's quite possibly the growth of actual adult teams that AFLW has had the biggest impact.

The 21st century has seen the growth of Youth Girls tournaments to bridge the gap between adulthood and auskick/mixed junior levels for teenage girls and that has been wonderful. But the transition to adult playing numbers was poor. Of course it's true for all sports everywhere, but it was particularly bad for teenage girls football because the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow was poor - no professional opportunities, no national competition, no opportunity for international travel for your dedication against other sports, and to play every weekend, long away trips with minimal teams.

For example, if we take 2013 (ie the first year of AFL-sanctioned/branded exhibition games) as the date between the two eras, we can look at the numbers. Female participation at all levels in Australia grew 4.5x from its 2005 to 2013 numbers. However this didn't translate to adult footy, to give an example, the amount of VWFL teams "only" grew from 25 competitng teams to 34 in the same period (ie only a 1.46x growth).

Of course, the AFL-branded era of 2013-17 has also had an even greater impact on participation - growth from about ~170,000 to ~360,000 in 2013-16 alone - but the big difference is the growth in adult teams.

In that as recently as 2013, there was only 34 VWFL teams, yet by 2016, this virtually doubled to 60-70.

Now with the AFLW, in 2017, Victoria is expected to have about 100 senior women's teams. That's a tripling from 2013.

By 2019-20, there could be 200 senior women's teams.

I don't think anybody's going to complain about the AFL putting in a few million more to help grassroots female footy - in many circumstances it's revitalising local clubs and communities, not to mention it being part of the growth strategy in the northern states. But then if you ask yourself, where is a few million best invested? Given that the last 10-odd years have seen investment in youth academies, adult academies, streamlined competition, national youth opportunities, where is that extra few million best spent? Is it best spent on expanding the level of supporting local clubs, investing in junior competitions and youth representative levels, where there's diminishing returns for every extra dollar that you spend, or is it best spent on creating a marketable national league which will allow for role models for girls playing and give a clear, visible pathway for those in the underage competitions thus meaning that they're more likely to keep playing footy into adulthood (even if they're unlikely to be good enough to make it to AFLW level?)
 
The VWFL may have been around for 35 years, not too many other state comps have been around that long, either way, isn't the key point that as recently as 20 years ago, girls couldn't play the game beyond the age of 13 - that is what has been built up over the past decade or so.
 
The VWFL may have been around for 35 years, not too many other state comps have been around that long, either way, isn't the key point that as recently as 20 years ago, girls couldn't play the game beyond the age of 13 - that is what has been built up over the past decade or so.
A common comment from the current players is, they gave up at 12 or so, then took it up later when they discovered there was a women's league. So the visibility of women's football was so low, even girls playing the game didn't know about it.

I do not think much of the growth this year is specifically due to a pathway to a national comp, as a lot of the women taking it up this year do so with no expectation they will ever be good enough for the AFLW. Its due to simple visibility. A lot of women with a past suppressed desire to play are now hopping on the internet looking for a team.

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1. what the AFL has done with the mens pre season has zero to do with the AFLW, unless you are thinking feminist conspiracy.

The undermining of the pre-season competition so that it does not compete with the women's comp is consistent with the AFL's social agenda. As was the decision to have a week off before 2016 finals when the women's exhibition game was played.

2. AFL hypes its product and positions it in the market to be attractive to sponsors. **** me, what cheating bastards, they should give the money back.

Seriously, what the **** is your point? AFLW does not deserve sponsors? Because their main sponsors is a pre existing AFL sponsor it doesn't count?

The AFL has one proven product which is high quality and profitable. It has chosen to promote a fledgling, piss poor quality product which may prove to be unviable. The NAB has been a major sponsor of the AFL for years. The AFL created the situation where it was attractive to switch the sponsorship to the fledgling, poor quality product over a better quality product that was being undermined.
 
The undermining of the pre-season competition so that it does not compete with the women's comp is consistent with the AFL's social agenda. As was the decision to have a week off before 2016 finals when the women's exhibition game was played.

Rubbish.

The AFL has one proven product which is high quality and profitable. It has chosen to promote a fledgling, piss poor quality product which may prove to be unviable. The NAB has been a major sponsor of the AFL for years. The AFL created the situation where it was attractive to switch the sponsorship to the fledgling, poor quality product over a better quality product that was being undermined.

NAB remains a major sponsor of game development programs for the AFL, such as Auskick and the Rising Star. All that has changed is the naming rights to the preseason competition have moved to the womens competition.
 
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At the .50 mark, Ashleigh Gardner. The highlight package cuts the female commentator squawking "catch it, catch it, CATCH IT!" to the spectators as the ball rolled down the roof, in a Kelli Underwood style lets spoil the moment with commentator verbosity.
 
The VWFL may have been around for 35 years, not too many other state comps have been around that long, either way, isn't the key point that as recently as 20 years ago, girls couldn't play the game beyond the age of 13 - that is what has been built up over the past decade or so.
Two girls, with their parents, took Football Victoria to VCAT in 2003 -as they could no longer play with the boys after 12 yo;& they alleged FV was discriminatory in not having any jnr. girls comps.
The agreed resolution was that FV would allow girls to play AF with boys up to U14; & would introduce a youth Girls'comp. in 2004, which it did with about 6 teams.
 
The undermining of the pre-season competition so that it does not compete with the women's comp is consistent with the AFL's social agenda.

The clubs have been undermining their pre-season competition for many years, to the point where it's hardly a competition at all. The current format is just a reflection of that.
 
Rubbish.



NAB remains a major sponsor of game development programs for the AFL, such as Auskick and the Rising Star. All that has changed is the naming rights to the preseason competition have moved to the womens competition.
And the preseason comp got a new sponsor, so +1 sponsor for the AFL, but apparently that doesn't count, because women.

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Two girls, with their parents, took Football Victoria to VCAT in 2003 -as they could no longer play with the boys after 12 yo;& they alleged FV was discriminatory in not having any jnr. girls comps.
The agreed resolution was that FV would allow girls to play AF with boys up to U14; & would introduce a youth Girls'comp. in 2004, which it did with about 6 teams.

So it was actually a lot more recent than I first thought.
 

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