Emmanuel Macron, President of the French Republic

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Need I remind you what Wikileaks's track record is for authenticating leaks?

Macaroni's team must be seriously low energy with all the illegal stimulants they seem to depend on!

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So they must be right in assuming you right-wingers are dumb?

That tiny screen shot appears to be the 'evidence' which was clearly BS. The better fabrication was one which claimed that someone ordered a staffer to 'buy C... for the boss". The screenshot you have, hilariously, tries to suggest that A LEADING POLITICIAN would use their email address to buy from dark web drug sellers who send invoices that show what has been bought. And if you are dumb enough to believe that, I guess you're dumb enough to think they wouldn't then delete the evidence. Just stoopid.

And for your own information, Wikileaks does not have a 100% record. That is BS too. They once released a bunch of emails that they claimed were "Erdogan emails" providing info about the Turkish Govt. Except they were TO the Turkish Govt. A LOT of private info was revealed, and the emails didn't involve inner circle members of Erdogan's Govt. They also claimed that the source of the DNC leaks was not Russia, despite the fact that their technology is meant to mean they have no idea who the source is. That was their selling point. But, you know, they wanted to harm Hillary, so they chucked that idea out the window.

More positively, with this leak they are clearly keen to show that they aren't just working for right-wing/Russian interests. They've pointed out fake news being spread about Macron having an offshore bank account by 4chan and Russian bots; and they have revealed some of the signs within this latest leak that suggest it was likely done by Russian or Slavic hackers. That shows how weak the material is that they are attempting to mislead French voters with. They didn't do a thorough job trying to scrub it before pushing it out (tbf it's probably a lot of work to remove the hackers tell-tale signs), and the bank account fakery is obvious and shows the people doing it are professionals:

If the metadata in these two documents are original and not manipulated, it is obvious that the masterminds of the discrediting claim have access to high-end equipment that is used by large companies or institutions. The time of creation of the two documents, which is only a minute apart, indicates that the two machines were in the same room and they were, most likely, operated by two people. Moreover, the date of the files’ creation that coincides with the day of the debate, contradicts the anonymous source’s assertion that the documents had been sent to many French journalists, but no one paid attention to them.

Gee, we hear that last line a lot from propagandists, don't we? Always trying to discredit mainstream media so they can get you onto their propaganda channels instead.

 

[FireKrakouer]

So they must be right in assuming you right-wingers are dumb?

That tiny screen shot appears to be the 'evidence' which was clearly BS. The better fabrication was one which claimed that someone ordered a staffer to 'buy C... for the boss". The screenshot you have, hilariously, tries to suggest that A LEADING POLITICIAN would use their email address to buy from dark web drug sellers who send invoices that show what has been bought. And if you are dumb enough to believe that, I guess you're dumb enough to think they wouldn't then delete the evidence. Just stoopid.

And for your own information, Wikileaks does not have a 100% record. That is BS too. They once released a bunch of emails that they claimed were "Erdogan emails" providing info about the Turkish Govt. Except they were TO the Turkish Govt. A LOT of private info was revealed, and the emails didn't involve inner circle members of Erdogan's Govt. They also claimed that the source of the DNC leaks was not Russia, despite the fact that their technology is meant to mean they have no idea who the source is. That was their selling point. But, you know, they wanted to harm Hillary, so they chucked that idea out the window.

More positively, with this leak they are clearly keen to show that they aren't just working for right-wing/Russian interests. They've pointed out fake news being spread about Macron having an offshore bank account by 4chan and Russian bots; and they have revealed some of the signs within this latest leak that suggest it was likely done by Russian or Slavic hackers. That shows how weak the material is that they are attempting to mislead French voters with. They didn't do a thorough job trying to scrub it before pushing it out (tbf it's probably a lot of work to remove the hackers tell-tale signs), and the bank account fakery is obvious and shows the people doing it are professionals:

Gee, we hear that last line a lot from propagandists, don't we? Always trying to discredit mainstream media so they can get you onto their propaganda channels instead.

To be clear, you are saying wikileaks don't have a perfect track record because a leak had a slightly misleading title? As in it contained emails TO Erdogan's team instead of being from them? Or am I missing something?

You repeatedly suggest that I am dumb and gullible while you believe the "muh Russians!" deflection every time it's used? You think an elite state-sponsored hacking unit would leave easily traceable meta data tags in stuff that they leak?

Here's an analysis by a security firm explaining the leaks and how they are checked for authenticity. They seem to believe the drug purchase is likely legit.
http://blog.erratasec.com/2017/05/some-notes-on-macronleak.html?m=1

 

[Jello_B]

Polls open!

 

[Jello_B]

10am BST: Topless protestors have been demonstrating against Marine Le Pen.

Police arrested the protestors.

 

[FireKrakouer]

10am BST: Topless protestors have been demonstrating against Marine Le Pen.

Police arrested the protestors.

Feminists demonstrate against the potential first female leader of France. They're not sending their best...

 

[CM86]

Feminists demonstrate against the potential first female leader of France. They're not sending their best...

Feminism is looking for equality and for the best interests for women... not men vs women...

 

[Betty Noir]

Just been thumbing through a few volumes of data passed to me by a colleague. In layman's terms, just stuff logging data flow through, in this case, the euro-IX consortium.
It reveals a considerable data deficit into and out of France. So, it probably means that it has been robustly fire walled, or has been DDOSed. In either case it is quite likely an anti exploit defense designed to keep the Russians and their friends out. Probably the Germans. Could be the Americans, DGSE, DGSI... Who knows. Who gives a *.

 

[Bradesmaen]

But HenrikLundqvist I thought the poles were wrong..

 

[Generalissimo]

Nothing like watching the racist incompetent far right lose. Not just lose, but absolutely curb-stomped.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Fake news guys

The cia hacked the polls despite fsb efforts to ensure a free election

That and black people were allowed to vote, and they hate Le Pen because all black people are racist

 

[CM86]

I look forward to hearing how meaningless this election was, now.
And how France is a cuck.

 

[Warsaw]

But HenrikLundqvist I thought the poles were wrong..

They polls were wrong.

They low-balled how much Macron would win by.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I look forward to hearing how meaningless this election was, now.
And how France is a cuck.

Dont forget the black people, how can you expect fair elections when the main candidate supports a white france and black people can vote????

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I think it's the trump effect. People realize these loons can actually win, like trump, if they don't actually vote against them.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Congrats on your victory guys. I wonder which way the pendulum is swinging in Europe? Will we see any "far right" parties win in the future, or was this their last shot as the pendulum swings back?

 

[CM86]

Congrats on your victory guys.

Why do you look at it as teams and sides?

 

[NSWCROW]

Salty mineral-lacking tears in 3......2.........

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Have a cry fascists.

 

[Bretwalda]

Either way, I think the French are ****ed. They've avoided Le Pen, only to embrace someone who won't be able to solve
any of their problems. Five years of false hope and nothing changing and you have 35% of the voting public who are angrier
and the average voter who is more desperate for change. In steps the demagogue Le Pen who's had five more years to soften
her image and France has its first female President.

The best thing would have been to vote Fillion. He would have placated the Le Pen supporters somewhat and after five years of
accomplishing nothing, the public swings to the centre-left and in steps Macron and France avoids Le Pen for ten years.

 

[Jello_B]

Why do you look at it as teams and sides?

It's unfortunate, all you need to do is read up and down on the post you replied to and you can see the division.

 

[WA ROO]

Have a cry fascists.

Juncker and Merkel won
The fascists are celebrating

 

[Maggie5]

Obama's endorsement certainly didn't hurt him.
Common sense wins again, now onto Germany.
Trump has done the world a big favour.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Why do you look at it as teams and sides?

As over simplified as the right-left axis is, it seems to work fairly consistently on this site. Have there been any recent elections where you've wanted a right-leaning party to win, for example?

To over simplify even more, I think it's come down to pro immigration vs anti immigration. The right (have a look at this thread and r/the_donald) were prepared to throw their weight behind a woman who has been described as borderline-socialist. The left (see this thread or any leftist news org) were prepared to throw their weight behind a pro-business establishment banker. It seems to come down to immigration/globalisation.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Juncker and Merkel won
The fascists are celebrating

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

As over simplified as the right-left axis is, it seems to work fairly consistently on this site. Have there been any recent elections where you've wanted a right-leaning party to win, for example?

To over simplify even more, I think it's come down to pro immigration vs anti immigration. The right (have a look at this thread and r/the_donald) were prepared to throw their weight behind a woman who has been described as borderline-socialist. The left (see this thread or any leftist news org) were prepared to throw their weight behind a pro-business establishment banker. It seems to come down to immigration/globalisation.

Very good post.


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