Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

[Maggie5]

What a great idea...

About 170 sick children a day will be educated through a state-of-the-art school at a Melbourne hospital.


The $6.8 million Monash Children's Hospital School was officially opened by Premier Daniel Andrews and Education Minister James Merlino on Sunday.

Teachers will deliver customised programs for each patient student so they do not fall behind and virtual technology will be used to keep the children connected to their regular school and virtual technology will be used to keep the children connected to their regular school and classmates.

 

[Pessimistic]

The Calder interchange was finished in 2006 ahead of time because it didn't rain in 2006.

Tony Abbott was right - climate change does do more good than harm.

It's a thing. /. It's not
It's caused by man. / it's not
It's a bad thing / it's a good thing

Plenty of stances for tones to take in this combinations

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Plenty of stances for tones to take in this combinations

And being typical Tones, he takes them all.

 

[medusala]

Shame he didn't do it with the sale of government utilities.

What was loy yang sold for? Whats it worth now?

 

[Maggie5]

What was loy yang sold for? Whats it worth now?

Why do you want to buy it?

 

[Ice-Wolf]

What was loy yang sold for? Whats it worth now?

Not as much as if Kennet had actually built all of it as planned.

 

[medusala]

Why do you want to buy it?

No because he got a very good deal. 99% of people who oppose privatisation have no idea on finance, they are just parrotting the nonsense put about by the union movement who want to keep their gravy train at the expense of taxpayers.

 

[Maggie5]

No because he got a very good deal. 99% of people who oppose privatisation have no idea on finance, they are just parrotting the nonsense put about by the union movement who want to keep their gravy train at the expense of taxpayers.

What rubbish you post!
If you have to sell government assets/services, not very good money managers.
Imagine if we still had Comm bank, gas, electrify and of course the gold to name a few.
Neither major party is blameless.

 

[medusala]

What rubbish you post!
If you have to sell government assets/services, not very good money managers.

Dear oh dear. It makes complete sense. Governments are hopeless at running businesses. The private sector are typically far more efficient and returns to taxpayers far more ie the tax they pay would outweigh the govt dividend (if indeed there was one)

One only has to look at how badly ANL, state banks, electricity assets etc were run under state control.

If we still had Commbank it would be hopelessly run and massively overstaffed and beholden to the unions.

You are just parroting the alternative reality as per ABC propaganda for those who don't work in the real world.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Dear oh dear. It makes complete sense. Governments are hopeless at running businesses. The private sector are typically far more efficient and returns to taxpayers far more ie the tax they pay would outweigh the govt dividend (if indeed there was one)

One only has to look at how badly ANL, state banks, electricity assets etc were run under state control.

If we still had Commbank it would be hopelessly run and massively overstaffed and beholden to the unions.

You are just parroting the alternative reality as per ABC propaganda for those who don't work in the real world.

It depends on the asset. Some like the energy market and telecommunications company shouldn't have been sold off. Especially Telstra without separating it properly.

But as the leader of the conservative Army you wouldn't have a clue.

 

[Maggie5]

Dear oh dear. It makes complete sense. Governments are hopeless at running businesses. The private sector are typically far more efficient and returns to taxpayers far more ie the tax they pay would outweigh the govt dividend (if indeed there was one)

One only has to look at how badly ANL, state banks, electricity assets etc were run under state control.

If we still had Commbank it would be hopelessly run and massively overstaffed and beholden to the unions.

You are just parroting the alternative reality as per ABC propaganda for those who don't work in the real world.

What a silly post yet again. Mismanage? Nah, quick buck.
And absolutely laughable at private sector being better managers. Sure if you are thinking of shareholders.
Try again...

 

[medusala]

It depends on the asset. Some like the energy market and telecommunications company shouldn't have been sold off. Especially Telstra without separating it properly.

What did the productivity commission say re Telstra?

And the state electricity co's have been real success stories in Oz havent they?

 

[medusala]

And absolutely laughable at private sector being better managers.

SBSA, SBV, ANL etc

Well run were they?

 

[Bradesmaen]

What did the productivity commission say re Telstra?

And the state electricity co's have been real success stories in Oz havent they?

Because the productivity commission is the be all end all... It literally put Australian telecommunications backwards by ten years.

 

[Maggie5]

SBSA, SBV, ANL etc

Well run were they?

See ya!

 

[Pessimistic]

SBSA, SBV, ANL etc

Well run were they?

Get back to me when telstra resolve the $2.5 grand they slugged me for cancelling a service I never even asked for.

Since 29 June I've given up calling with no effect, just emailing them now. Abysmal. It used to be a joke about telstra back in the bad old state owned days but they are worse than s**t now. They were the good old days

 

[Pessimistic]

Because the productivity commission is the be all end all... It literally put Australian telecommunications backwards by ten years.

And the govt probably invested the money in other countries infrastructure, and more than a few brothels and drug dealers apparently

 

[medusala]

Since 29 June I've given up calling with no effect, just emailing them now. Abysmal. It used to be a joke about telstra back in the bad old state owned days but they are worse than s**t now. They were the good old days

Try getting a phone connected in the country back then. Of course they are rubbish, they were a massive, hopelessly run monopoly (and still hold a semi monopolistic position today). Takes years to shrug of the dead wood and union influence. BT the same in the UK. The nimbler competition killed them there (even though BT as per Telstra had massive inbuilt advantages)

They were the good old days

1989. Labour in govt, State bank of Victoria going strong, tri continental kicking goals everywhere, tram strikes every second day, pilots strike, keating treasurer and Hawks flogging all and sundry on the way to a flag.

Because the productivity commission is the be all end all... It literally put Australian telecommunications backwards by ten years.

Its the one part of govt that is respected for its analysis. When govt's don't want to get the wrong answer they dont ask them (see Bracks and the car review).

 

[Bradesmaen]

Try getting a phone connected in the country back then. Of course they are rubbish, they were a massive, hopelessly run monopoly (and still hold a semi monopolistic position today). Takes years to shrug of the dead wood and union influence. BT the same in the UK. The nimbler competition killed them there (even though BT as per Telstra had massive inbuilt advantages)



Its the one part of govt that is respected for its analysis. When govt's don't want to get the wrong answer they dont ask them (see Bracks and the car review).

That level of competition is only coming via the NBN which offers everyone access to the internet at the same wholesale price. Prior to this Telstra were the only ones that had coverage of almost of Australia for fixed line internet and would wholesale it to other companies. They still lack competition for wireless services in remote areas (besides NBN for wireless internet - not voice).

 

[Pessimistic]

Try getting a phone connected in the country back then. Of course they are rubbish, they were a massive, hopelessly run monopoly (and still hold a semi monopolistic position today). Takes years to shrug of the dead wood and union influence. BT the same in the UK. The nimbler competition killed them there (even though BT as per Telstra had massive inbuilt advantages)



1989. Labour in govt, State bank of Victoria going strong, tri continental kicking goals everywhere, tram strikes every second day, pilots strike, keating treasurer and Hawks flogging all and sundry on the way to a flag.



Its the one part of govt that is respected for its analysis. When govt's don't want to get the wrong answer they dont ask them (see Bracks and the car review).

How long have they been private? Ho much longer before they reach your privatise utopia. Will we even be alive?

Massive fail for mine. I suppose one thing about competition is when telstra and I end up in small claims court, I can buy some pay as you go sims from someone els and I'm not cut off completely

 

[medusala]

How long have they been private? Ho much longer before they reach your privatise utopia.

Competition will sort the issue if its allowed to exist. Its not like the really bad old days with no ticket no start and govt monopolies.

The big problems with privatisations is when governments intentionally allow a monopoly like a toll road/bridge or port to increase charges and future revenue so they can get far bigger price today (didnt Andrews privatise the port?). Far stronger argument to keep infrastructure in public hands than a business like a bank.

Just as with PPP contracts, when public servants just arent up to negotiating with Macquarie etc.

 

[nylexbandit]

Competition will sort the issue if its allowed to exist. Its not like the really bad old days with no ticket no start and govt monopolies.

The big problems with privatisations is when governments intentionally allow a monopoly like a toll road/bridge or port to increase charges and future revenue so they can get far bigger price today (didnt Andrews privatise the port?). Far stronger argument to keep infrastructure in public hands than a business like a bank.

Just as with PPP contracts, when public servants just arent up to negotiating with Macquarie etc.

Agree with privatisations - they're all treated as securitisation plays, with complicit governments accepting the upfront payday in exchange for effectively granting commissions and allowing price rises or decreases in service in future (that they don't often have huge control over).

One great thing the Vic government did on the port of Melbourne sale was to call out the banks/bidders for their bullshit on lease length. Historically they all refused to price in anything past 50 years, but demanded 99 year leases regardless. Vic only gave them 50 despite bidders perversely arguing this had a negative impact on bid price

 

[pazza]

What did the productivity commission say re Telstra?

And the state electricity co's have been real success stories in Oz havent they?

It's not just the money issue..although state run businesses as such returned revenue on a regular basis to Government budgets. It's about service delivery.

Let's look at maintenance of power supplies..the poles and wires if you will.

The SEC learned the lessons of 1977 and 1983 fire wise..but, SPAusnet completely forgot those lessons by the time of Black Saturday 2009.

I would never trust anything the Productivity Commission says about anyone...they hate workers, unions, families etc...they love big business. Always have and should be removed from operation for their bias.

 

[pazza]

The assisted dying legislation passed the lower house and should be able to pass the upper one despite some opposition. Another goal kicked.

 

[sportsmaniac89]

The assisted dying legislation passed the lower house and should be able to pass the upper one despite some opposition. Another goal kicked.

Maybe a goal for Andrews but the glorious moment of this was a fellow ALP Minister labelling James Merlino a campaigner. Never has a truer word been spoken ever.

As for the policy, I don't know how I feel about it yet.....the media did a s**t job of explaining it.