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Knightmare are you personally disappointed in Rayner?
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He's just not kicking it 60m, breaking the lines or dominating guys 1v1 in the goal square at ground level, aerially or with his strength 1v1 when isolated. He doesn't have those weapons. Those are weapons. Brayshaw doesn't have that.
Cal Twomey just tweeted the 2km results for Rayner and Fogarty.
7:57 for Rayner
7:33 for Fogarty
Knightmare, these rumours that Stephenson could be a draft slider due to a heart irregularity.
From your contacts is there foundation and if so any chance he gets to GWS at Pick 11?
Is Rankine that good teams will tank next year?
Knightmare - Will you be entering the draft tipping comp?
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...00-of-chiefs-money-10th-year-running.1182345/
Rankine reminds me of gresham but 10x better. He's special but don't sleep on Walsh from country and the geelong falcons. Seen him play four times this year and still yet to see him make a bad decision. Combine that with his 16+ beep and that kid has A+ written all over him. Not as prodigiously talented as rankine but honest as the day is long.
Good lord that's bad, especially from Rayner.
Lapped by John Worsfold i hear.
Do you think that'll impact their draft positions Knightmare or are clubs already aware of the extent of these deficiencies?
Knightmare are you personally disappointed in Rayner?
There have been a few players over the years in their draft year being described in a similar manner KM, a notable one being Simon Black.When I talk weapons and hurt factor. I'm talking about guys who can take over games and you can feel their influence. Dangerfield and Dusty are two key examples in the game at the moment. High proportion contested ballers who hurt the opposition with ball in hand and have ways to tear you apart.
None of your assessment of what Brayshaw does is incorrect, only your conclusion.
He hits his targets, lowers his eyes and makes sound decisions. He's just not kicking it 60m, breaking the lines or dominating guys 1v1 in the goal square at ground level, aerially or with his strength 1v1 when isolated. He doesn't have those weapons. Those are weapons. Brayshaw doesn't have that.
Like with his brother Angus, Andrew projects to be good, but there isn't any one thing he's special at.
There have been a few players over the years in their draft year being described in a similar manner KM, a notable one being Simon Black.
Cal Twomey just tweeted the 2km results for Rayner and Fogarty.
7:57 for Rayner
7:33 for Fogarty
What would be considered a decent time.
What would Riley Knight and Taylor Walker do for instance?
Im thinking both these boys tanked about 30-40 seconds in this Run
If a private 2klm running session was done by a melbourne club
Carlton,Stkilda,North etc for rayner and similar for Fogarty by the Crows both players would have better times
Constable just wants to get to Richmond and its looking like it might be a slight chance at #17
The fact is that these kids know that they will be drafted and the run doesnt hinge on if they get drafted or not - Its not the be all / end all situationHard to believe a person competitive enough to be considered a first round AFL draft pick would tank a run organised by an AFL club. Most clubs recruiters should be able to pick if a player wasn’t pushing them self to the limit.
The fact is that these kids know that they will be drafted and the run doesnt hinge on if they get drafted or not - Its not the be all / end all situation
8 minutes for a 2klm run is terrible and is probably just 1 minute off a 45 year old that runs just to keep fit
I remember running when i was a kid and 2 klms was not a huge run and you could do it easily, For a kid thats been in a pro system the 8 minutes is terrible and you cannot rule out the reason why they wouldnt have pushed them self's to the limit.
The difference could mean instead of say Constable running 7.05 and going to the Doggies at #16 or running 7.87 and going to Richmond at #25
Doesnt really matter that much so why bust a nut - Im sure if being drafted was on the line these kids would have knocked off 30-40 seconds off these times
Brisbane recruiting manager Stephen Conole:
"He looked a bit sluggish," Conole conceded of Rayner.
"He had an exam the day before and he has another one on Monday.
"He's come off a reasonable knee injury that's kept him out of training for a little while.
"Four of the boys ran together and none of them really put on any pace, it was a pretty mild affair.
"I think the four of them were a little bit underdone and their results showed that.
There’s inherent inconsistency in your argument.
If the run matters little, then nothing hinges on your time, so why push yourself? In fact why do it at all?
Conversely, if it mattered a lot, and a slow time sees you drop down places in the draft, potentially to a club you don’t really want to go to, then wouldn’t you bust your arse?
My take is they’re all pretty unfit primarily due to long standing injuries, and they may have gone at 90-95%, but not 30-40 secs slower, that’d be more like going at 70%z.
Perhaps drop down in place actually suits you ? Rayner not going interstate ? Constable similar ?
Mate you have gone in a totally different direction all together here.Too risky - especially for a Constable or CCJ who are unlikely to be top 10 picks.
In the range of 10-30, there’s far greater scope for variation in clubs thinking.
I mean taking your theory literally, if you’re a 6.30 runner normally, and you THINK you’re going to get picked at 11, then do you try to punch out a 6.50 to drop to 13? Or will a slow 7.30 see you drop to pick 22? Who the hell knows where you’re starting (as a likely selection) and where you might finish (if there is any change). Frankly, it all just seems a bit silly and I just can’t see any of those guys “foxing” or “tanking” in this context.
I just reckon they all tried their best off injuries, ran a touch conservatively and this ran pretty slow times.
I think we are confusing each other. Time for a beerMate you have gone in a totally different direction all together here.
What im basically saying is for a Rayner & Constable to not care about this Run and if they slide a few spots its not really the end of the world and wouldnt have really tried their asses off.
Regards to dropping to teams - Take it like if i get picked at #13 or #23 doesnt really matter i would rather stay in melboure and play for north than go to perth.
Simple not rocket science here
Was interesting reading that it took Dylan Roberton until his latest preseason (12 months ago, at approx 25yo) to finally beat the 3km time he did at 17/18yo in his draft year, after he'd added 10 or more kg to his frame in the meantime.At a guess I’d say 6.30-7.00 but you need to appreciate that 18 year olds don’t have anywhere near as much muscle mass as fully formed seasoned AFL players. They’re much lighter and SHOULD be able to run good 2km times weighing 5-10kgs less than their ultimate AFL playing weight (in 3-4 y are time).
saying Rayner's endurance is a "weakness" is being quite generous. It's a downright liability.
Yes, this result will have an impact on his draft stocks.
What would be considered a decent time.
What would Riley Knight and Taylor Walker do for instance?
At a guess I’d say 6.30-7.00 but you need to appreciate that 18 year olds don’t have anywhere near as much muscle mass as fully formed seasoned AFL players. They’re much lighter and SHOULD be able to run good 2km times weighing 5-10kgs less than their ultimate AFL playing weight (in 3-4 y are time).
I'm hearing he will slip to pick 15.Whispers of Stephenson slipping to outside top 10 for real?
Whispers of Stephenson slipping to outside top 10 for real?