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Using all 3 of our top 25 picks on tall like players is over the top unless we feel Balta can become a mid. We need a balanced draft.

We have years to get mids. We can even draft one after pick 25. We need 2 tall forwards and 1 tall back ready to go in 2-3 years. All we have is Garthwaite. So we need to draft them right now
 
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We have years to get mids. We can even draft one after pick 25. We need 2 tall forwards and 1 tall back ready to go in 2-3 years. So we need to draft them right now

We can draft another tall defender or Ruck after 25 too. We’ve got Cal Moore and Garthwaite developing as well.

1 tall is fine if that’s how the draft works out, 2 and an extra mid plus Naish is ideal 3 is just over kill. We will have another chance next year to draft a tall plus we are balls deep into Lynch.
 
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We can draft another tall defender or Ruck after 25 too. We’ve got Cal Moore and Garthwaite developing as well.

1 tall is fine if that’s how the draft works out, 2 and an extra mid plus Naish is ideal 3 is just over kill. We will have another chance next year to draft a tall plus we are balls deep into Lynch.

Wouldn't rely on getting Lynch. Good talls are a lot harder to find than good mids. Won't find many good ones after 25 and we don't want to leave it for another year or two as talls take a while to come good. Need players ready to go for when Jack, Rance and Astbury are slowing down in 2-3 years.
 
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Wouldn't rely on getting Lynch. Good talls are a lot harder to find than good mids. Won't find many good ones after 25 and we don't want to leave it for another year or two as talls take a while to come good. Need players ready to go for when Jack, Rance and Astbury are slowing down in 2-3 years.

You don’t fix it all in one draft. 2 talls gives us a great starting place, next years Draft looks strong for talls and hopefully one or two slide again like this year.

Rance will likely retire now he has a premiership but Jack has never relied on athleticism so as long as he stays fit there is no reason he can’t play another 4-5 years like his cousin.

We also need to keep unearthing quality mids because even though I hope CEllis comes good our elite mids are 26+ Next year and we don’t look like having another elite one below that just lots of B graders.
 
We have years to get mids. We can even draft one after pick 25. We need 2 tall forwards and 1 tall back ready to go in 2-3 years. All we have is Garthwaite. So we need to draft them right now

We can't draft players over 190cm just because our list needs it. Helps no one if we end up with another Elton, Post or Vickery.

Speaking of Post... Do you know who went in the 4 picks after? Sam Wright, Shaun McKernan, Dayne Beams, Dan Hannebery.

Perfect example of why you shouldn't ignore mids and pick only talls as you're suggesting.
 

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We have years to get mids. We can even draft one after pick 25. We need 2 tall forwards and 1 tall back ready to go in 2-3 years. All we have is Garthwaite. So we need to draft them right now
Hopefully a decent tall slips through to us then we will fill a needs basis without paying overs.
If however the good kp players are gone before our early pick/s then I hope we dont just go tall on a needs basis. We've worked hard to get into a good position in this draft so don't tempt fate, stick to the "best available" principle.
 
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Whilst i would like to add 3 talls this year and maybe even 4 , You just dont take tall because you need them and you will end up with a Elton,Vickery,Post,Griffiths situation where you do have enough but they are not good enough.

The quality of the tall must be rated as good enough

Dont leave another Fyfe on the table to take another Griffiths
 

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Richmond and the Western Bulldogs have changed the AFL draft forever, writes David King

THE national draft has historically been the panacea for struggling clubs — the cellar dwellers who almost sought failure late in the season in return for first crack at top end talent.

But after the past two AFL seasons the logic is shifting.

The role of the player has become almost as important as the player’s talent itself.

Damien Hardwick and Luke Beveridge have devalued the worth of cumbersome, labouring second ruckmen and almost certainly committed the third tall forward position to a bygone era.

If Josh Caddy and Jacob Townsend can compete in the air then why draft the Todd Elton and Liam McBean types, who either make it as a one position player or become a complete bust.

In fact Hardwick should thank the failed Tiger forwards Elton and McBean for challenging the match committee to adopt different methods to maintain a scoring profile.

Expect next week’s draft to contain very few tall forwards who cannot put on pressure or perform another meaningful role, keeping in mind that a back-up ruckman is now a position being filled by extra midfield types such as Richmond’s Shaun Grigg or even Jack Watts at Melbourne this year.

I wouldn’t waste any picks on low possession talls that appear unlikely to become a primary focal point inside the forward 50.

Of this year’s crop, Oscar Allen from West Perth is a genuine target but Sam Mayes as a forward/ruck is a risk in my opinion based on the evolution of the game.

This is despite many pundits expecting Mayes to be selected inside the top 20.

Intercepting half-backs or key backs have become critical recently and this draft is loaded with these types.

Nick Coffield (Northern Knights) will be taken inside the top 25 and epitomises the future of the game as a 190cm, lightning-quick, goalkicking runner who could play across the half-back line at AFL level almost immediately.

Ed Richards is another running, creative back man who will draw attention and a player I would desire at my football club.

Considering Jason Johannisen won the 2016 Norm Smith Medal and Bachar Houli went close this year, the importance of line-breakers has reached new levels.

The absence of Adelaide’s Brodie Smith in the last week of September was understated by all in the post Grand Final wash-up.

Outside the gun clearance players, elite running half-back flankers are the AFL’s most influential in terms of gaining territory and making an impact on the scoreboard.

Ignore that style of player and be lost in the football abyss in the coming seasons.

This year’s draft appears to have an abundance of midfield stocks, particularly at the top end, but the sprinkling of small pressure forwards is fascinating as the game’s territory evolution takes effect.

Locking the football in your team’s forward half is the new black and players in this year’s draft such as Lachlan Fogarty from the Western Jets elevate themselves to the top 10-15 selection zone when historically they’d be closer to pick 25-30, at minimum.

It’s a very good time to be a quick, pressuring, goalkicking small forward.

Take Dylan Moore from the Eastern Ranges. At 175cm I’m sure some will bypass him but given the impact of Caleb Daniel at the Bulldogs, the data from his TAC representative games is significant.

Moore is a data star of the future and the numbers don’t lie. He wins his own footy at the contest and everything he’s involved in has an impact on the scoreboard.

Rory Sloane was a data champion through his Eastern Ranges days, winning the best and fairest playing only half of his final year.

Clubs must cringe when they look back at Sloane being selected at pick 44 back in 2008. Don’t disregard the data!

I genuinely don’t know if Richmond’s plans for 2017 were mapped out as they unfolded or they made the best of what talent stocks they had on hand.

But either way, they’ve changed the game forever, and in doing so altered longstanding recruitment philosophies.

Don’t underplay the copycat nature of AFL football as trends become everyone’s friends.

The most important question of all this week is to ask not whether an individual can play AFL football, but what role or position he will play AFL football for your club?

If an answer doesn’t spring to mind with authority then be wary of this player’s longevity or impact.

It is an exciting time for all AFL lovers and potential draftees and their families but the futuristic vision of your coach, football department and list management is critical for the types of players your clubs seek.

Alastair Clarkson mastered it years ago, while Hardwick and Beveridge made the most of the hands they were dealt.

What will your coach do?

www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-and-the-western-bulldogs-have-changed-the-afl-draft-forever-writes-david-king/news-story/9399ed337bb366d0a8123119721bce60
 

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Richmond and the Western Bulldogs have changed the AFL draft forever, writes David King

THE national draft has historically been the panacea for struggling clubs — the cellar dwellers who almost sought failure late in the season in return for first crack at top end talent.

But after the past two AFL seasons the logic is shifting.

The role of the player has become almost as important as the player’s talent itself.

Damien Hardwick and Luke Beveridge have devalued the worth of cumbersome, labouring second ruckmen and almost certainly committed the third tall forward position to a bygone era.

If Josh Caddy and Jacob Townsend can compete in the air then why draft the Todd Elton and Liam McBean types, who either make it as a one position player or become a complete bust.

In fact Hardwick should thank the failed Tiger forwards Elton and McBean for challenging the match committee to adopt different methods to maintain a scoring profile.

Expect next week’s draft to contain very few tall forwards who cannot put on pressure or perform another meaningful role, keeping in mind that a back-up ruckman is now a position being filled by extra midfield types such as Richmond’s Shaun Grigg or even Jack Watts at Melbourne this year.

I wouldn’t waste any picks on low possession talls that appear unlikely to become a primary focal point inside the forward 50.

Of this year’s crop, Oscar Allen from West Perth is a genuine target but Sam Mayes as a forward/ruck is a risk in my opinion based on the evolution of the game.

This is despite many pundits expecting Mayes to be selected inside the top 20.

Intercepting half-backs or key backs have become critical recently and this draft is loaded with these types.

Nick Coffield (Northern Knights) will be taken inside the top 25 and epitomises the future of the game as a 190cm, lightning-quick, goalkicking runner who could play across the half-back line at AFL level almost immediately.

Ed Richards is another running, creative back man who will draw attention and a player I would desire at my football club.

Considering Jason Johannisen won the 2016 Norm Smith Medal and Bachar Houli went close this year, the importance of line-breakers has reached new levels.

The absence of Adelaide’s Brodie Smith in the last week of September was understated by all in the post Grand Final wash-up.

Outside the gun clearance players, elite running half-back flankers are the AFL’s most influential in terms of gaining territory and making an impact on the scoreboard.

Ignore that style of player and be lost in the football abyss in the coming seasons.

This year’s draft appears to have an abundance of midfield stocks, particularly at the top end, but the sprinkling of small pressure forwards is fascinating as the game’s territory evolution takes effect.

Locking the football in your team’s forward half is the new black and players in this year’s draft such as Lachlan Fogarty from the Western Jets elevate themselves to the top 10-15 selection zone when historically they’d be closer to pick 25-30, at minimum.

It’s a very good time to be a quick, pressuring, goalkicking small forward.

Take Dylan Moore from the Eastern Ranges. At 175cm I’m sure some will bypass him but given the impact of Caleb Daniel at the Bulldogs, the data from his TAC representative games is significant.

Moore is a data star of the future and the numbers don’t lie. He wins his own footy at the contest and everything he’s involved in has an impact on the scoreboard.

Rory Sloane was a data champion through his Eastern Ranges days, winning the best and fairest playing only half of his final year.

Clubs must cringe when they look back at Sloane being selected at pick 44 back in 2008. Don’t disregard the data!

I genuinely don’t know if Richmond’s plans for 2017 were mapped out as they unfolded or they made the best of what talent stocks they had on hand.

But either way, they’ve changed the game forever, and in doing so altered longstanding recruitment philosophies.

Don’t underplay the copycat nature of AFL football as trends become everyone’s friends.

The most important question of all this week is to ask not whether an individual can play AFL football, but what role or position he will play AFL football for your club?

If an answer doesn’t spring to mind with authority then be wary of this player’s longevity or impact.

It is an exciting time for all AFL lovers and potential draftees and their families but the futuristic vision of your coach, football department and list management is critical for the types of players your clubs seek.

Alastair Clarkson mastered it years ago, while Hardwick and Beveridge made the most of the hands they were dealt.

What will your coach do?

www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-and-the-western-bulldogs-have-changed-the-afl-draft-forever-writes-david-king/news-story/9399ed337bb366d0a8123119721bce60
Good old kingy cannot even get the name right , Sam Hayes isn’t it ?
 

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Richmond and the Western Bulldogs have changed the AFL draft forever, writes David King

THE national draft has historically been the panacea for struggling clubs — the cellar dwellers who almost sought failure late in the season in return for first crack at top end talent.

But after the past two AFL seasons the logic is shifting.

The role of the player has become almost as important as the player’s talent itself.

Damien Hardwick and Luke Beveridge have devalued the worth of cumbersome, labouring second ruckmen and almost certainly committed the third tall forward position to a bygone era.

If Josh Caddy and Jacob Townsend can compete in the air then why draft the Todd Elton and Liam McBean types, who either make it as a one position player or become a complete bust.

In fact Hardwick should thank the failed Tiger forwards Elton and McBean for challenging the match committee to adopt different methods to maintain a scoring profile.

Expect next week’s draft to contain very few tall forwards who cannot put on pressure or perform another meaningful role, keeping in mind that a back-up ruckman is now a position being filled by extra midfield types such as Richmond’s Shaun Grigg or even Jack Watts at Melbourne this year.

I wouldn’t waste any picks on low possession talls that appear unlikely to become a primary focal point inside the forward 50.

Of this year’s crop, Oscar Allen from West Perth is a genuine target but Sam Mayes as a forward/ruck is a risk in my opinion based on the evolution of the game.

This is despite many pundits expecting Mayes to be selected inside the top 20.

Intercepting half-backs or key backs have become critical recently and this draft is loaded with these types.

Nick Coffield (Northern Knights) will be taken inside the top 25 and epitomises the future of the game as a 190cm, lightning-quick, goalkicking runner who could play across the half-back line at AFL level almost immediately.

Ed Richards is another running, creative back man who will draw attention and a player I would desire at my football club.

Considering Jason Johannisen won the 2016 Norm Smith Medal and Bachar Houli went close this year, the importance of line-breakers has reached new levels.

The absence of Adelaide’s Brodie Smith in the last week of September was understated by all in the post Grand Final wash-up.

Outside the gun clearance players, elite running half-back flankers are the AFL’s most influential in terms of gaining territory and making an impact on the scoreboard.

Ignore that style of player and be lost in the football abyss in the coming seasons.

This year’s draft appears to have an abundance of midfield stocks, particularly at the top end, but the sprinkling of small pressure forwards is fascinating as the game’s territory evolution takes effect.

Locking the football in your team’s forward half is the new black and players in this year’s draft such as Lachlan Fogarty from the Western Jets elevate themselves to the top 10-15 selection zone when historically they’d be closer to pick 25-30, at minimum.

It’s a very good time to be a quick, pressuring, goalkicking small forward.

Take Dylan Moore from the Eastern Ranges. At 175cm I’m sure some will bypass him but given the impact of Caleb Daniel at the Bulldogs, the data from his TAC representative games is significant.

Moore is a data star of the future and the numbers don’t lie. He wins his own footy at the contest and everything he’s involved in has an impact on the scoreboard.

Rory Sloane was a data champion through his Eastern Ranges days, winning the best and fairest playing only half of his final year.

Clubs must cringe when they look back at Sloane being selected at pick 44 back in 2008. Don’t disregard the data!

I genuinely don’t know if Richmond’s plans for 2017 were mapped out as they unfolded or they made the best of what talent stocks they had on hand.

But either way, they’ve changed the game forever, and in doing so altered longstanding recruitment philosophies.

Don’t underplay the copycat nature of AFL football as trends become everyone’s friends.

The most important question of all this week is to ask not whether an individual can play AFL football, but what role or position he will play AFL football for your club?

If an answer doesn’t spring to mind with authority then be wary of this player’s longevity or impact.

It is an exciting time for all AFL lovers and potential draftees and their families but the futuristic vision of your coach, football department and list management is critical for the types of players your clubs seek.

Alastair Clarkson mastered it years ago, while Hardwick and Beveridge made the most of the hands they were dealt.

What will your coach do?

www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-and-the-western-bulldogs-have-changed-the-afl-draft-forever-writes-david-king/news-story/9399ed337bb366d0a8123119721bce60
Sam Mayes.. lel
 

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King has some good points Elton and Mcbean aren't Daniher or Hipwood. We were forced in a way to adapt a small/meduim forwardline, because all our kpf apart from Jack are s**t.
Either land Lynch as a FA or have a crack at trading up in upcoming drafts to nab a gun kpf. Don't waste picks on talls that aren't game breakers.
 
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The reality of the situation is that we really dont need a Tom Lynch at Richmond , We could just have -
Himmelberg (we really should have gone hard at this kid)or any big foward that is strong and has the ability to chace and tackle and understands the game plan

We have a unique situation where our team is Midfield based with quality rotations, We do need to find a Rance replacement though and thats where the 2 players in Balta & Allen really fit our needs.

Player that really suits our game plan is Tom McCartin , Really like what this kid offers and what he will become, He's only 17 year old
194cm 85kgs and has a massive tank finished top 10 in the yoyo test and is a hard worker running up/down the ground with a very good leap

Kid will need work with his goal kicking but is young enough to mould him into a Nick Riewoldt type of foward which suits our game plan perfectly
 
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Considering we're getting Naish, should be taking O'Brien as they're fairly similar outside types? Not an urgent need right now

We have heaps of flank/wing types. Naish will do and a mid with a pick in the 50s. This could be the perfect opportunity to grab quality talls with everyone trying to go small. Won’t get this opportunity again with the picks we have. The game will change in 2 years and we’ll be laughing and we won’t be over tall anyway. Can’t wait for Friday :D
 
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