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I just, CAN'T.

There was so much utter disregard for common sense and logic in that film.

Coupled with the god awful performance by Laura Dern, the insipid character of Rose and complete misuse of characters...

It was horrible Star Wars film. I'm really trying to understand why others like it too...

God it was bad.
 
Well I took my daughter to see it tonight. She loved it. I’m torn. I’ve avoided all spoilers in the lead up and had no idea, NO IDEA, Luke was going to die. I’m in shock. The casino world thing was shite. I desperately want Finn to die. I still have little attachment to Rey, might I say however her fight scene with Kyle was ******* awesome. Poe belongs on a Goodfellas set not Star Wars he’s just a bad fit. That being said I honestly could spend the whole film watching tie fighters chasing the Millennium Falcon! I love that spaceship. Captain Phasma cannot be dead. But my favourite thing from this movie was LUKE and Yoda. By a mile. It was utterly brilliant. Why kill him? I understand Han. That hurt a lot. I’m not really looking forward to the next one now. My Star Wars heart has been broken.
 

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When i came out i honestly did not know what to think. I had a great time in the cinema and enjoyed the movie as it went except for one scene. When i left and tried to plug this film into the overall mythos i became more and more annoyed to the point where i dont think i enjoyed the film.

First, the scene i hated. The leia space superman scene. Apart from looking utterly comical it absolutely ruined a plausible explanation of writing the character out due to the actress death. Now we are going to be treated to an off screen rewrite of one of the original trio. Bravo, such an interesting and satisfying ending, not.

Snoke death.
You have just shrunk the available lore. Instead if an incredibly interesting story of the supposed main villain, you destroy all links from the first film of the trilogy.
Super powerful force user, where did he come from?
How did he get the wounds he did?
Why does he hate luke so much?
Was he around for original trilogy? What was he doing?
Nope, dont address it, just raise these questions, then kill off to use as a device to grow kylo.
I dont buy the whole "he was there only to move kylo's arc forward" excuse.
This guy is the entire reason we have a new trilogy. He is leader of the first order, he turned kylo. Who the * is he? You cant just use him as a plot device with no explanation.

Finn storyline. Absolutely no storyline that impacts the main plot.
Absolute garbage. Trys to tell the story of him as a runner only to learn to fight and sacrifice himself but just feels weak. His entire story line could be wiped from the film and would not change the outcome.
Which is ok, not every plot point has to impact the main story. But it just felt forced. No further backstory just current weak events and suddenly rose loves him. That has been put there only to cut off his love for rey only because she is reserved for kylo.

The adimral. Could have shared plan with poe. But didnt. Then takes out the main ship with a move that could have been accomplished by one of the smaller ships as the ran out of fuel.

Your mama jokes? Really?

Luke dying.
I get the thematic relevance of luke sacrificing himself and passing under the twin suns, the same way we are introduced to him. This was a perfect exit but the tine this occurred and its effect on the overall outcome was not acceptable.
This is our hero, the original hero who gave everthing he had to save his father, absolute faith.
Yet his first act is to chuck his fathers lightsabre off the cliff affer overreacting and attempting to murder his nephew in his sleep. For a cheap laugh?
Who after years of adventures and story (according to expanded universe story) instead spends 30 years wallowing, then dying a failure because he used " too much force". Accomplished nothing in his life apart from defeat the empire, who came straight back. It was a perfect ending but that ending came far too soon.

Rey.
Is a nobody. The only feasible explanation for the first films example that she was so proficient in the force with zero training and combat with no training was that she may be related to a bloodline with powerful links to the previous films.
No, she is the overpowered hero who can do everything perfectly who cant lose. Her parents were nobodies, to further stamp home the piss weak life lesson alongside the slave with the broom that anyone can be an all powerful jedi if you just believe. Anyone can be a hero.
Horrible.

Kylo and the skywalkers.
This is the skywalker saga. We are now left with the last of skywalker blood being totally evil who will inevitably be defeated by our overpowered hero, or he will be redeemed, the guy who excecuted his father (a crowd favourite) and had a hand in the destruction of several entire worlds.
Instead of the lesson of kylo killing his father we then have kylo kill snoke his master not expanding that backstory.
The excuse being that snoke was there to move kylos character forward. BS, the lesson that kylo had should have come from executing his father, not killing off an increfinbly powerdful character because you didnt want to build up the backstory of a complex character.


The mystery. The plot, even though it was criticised after the first movje had questions and hanging story threads .
Who is rey?
Who is snoke?
Where has luke been?
What has luke been doing?
How did the first order grow?

Now going into the final episode. The question is.
How does the entire skywalker story end?


As we know thats not a great question. Becauses its pretty much, how does OP Rey Nobody beat the evil skywalker. Thats the only conflict, because we know the good guys win and first order lose when kylo does.

I loved it while i watched it. The luke scene where he steps oit to face them alone, epic. The shot of the light speed ship attack. Incredible.

My issue is how the film when viewed singularly vs other star wars films from a story standpoint.
 
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Why does everyone hate the leia scene that was my favourite part of the movie, I thought she always should have shown more of a connection to the force and then she finally showed something
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Because she literally survived being blown into space...
 
Having another quick look at Rogue one which is on right now and have to say it feels a lot more like a Star Wars movie although I did not love it on the first watch either. Maybe I need another watch of the TLJ.
 
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This is also a Fantasy Genre and not at all like real life
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Sure but nothing like that has ever happened, certainly not from someone who was a minimal force user and likely never honed her skills given she went straight into Generalship.
 
Loonerty said:
Sure but nothing like that has ever happened, certainly not from someone who was a minimal force user and likely never honed her skills given she went straight into Generalship.
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Plus it looked visually ridiculous.
 
It was alright, I enjoyed all the Rey/Kylo stuff, I liked them just murking Snoke (I guess they could have done something to have actually made him interesting but as it was there really wasn't anything interesting about him). I liked how all their big grand schemes failed (I've seen this levied as a big criticism by a lot of people that a lot ends up as pointless but I liked that aspect rather than the predictability).

Space survival Leia was pretty lol, most of the comedy was really cringey and bad, the Finn/Rose stuff was awful. Stand in captain Woman giving Poe donuts and just telling him to relax when she had something up her sleeve and didn't just tell him (because the plot said so so we could find out later) was super dumb. It was fine tho and overall I enjoyed more than the stuff I found stupid and unenjoyable.
 
Not sure my thoughts are of interest, but in defence of the film...

This is the actual sequel to The Empire Strikes Back that we should have always had.

The entire Luke plotline, hell, a lot of the film's themes stem from what Yoda talks about on Dagobah. The whole view on the Force comes from what Yoda talks about, how it works in this movie, how people tap into it, and how Luke resolves this story.

The important thing to remember about Dagobah is that it's not about Luke building up XP so that he can fight Vader. Yoda's training of Luke centers around him needing to shake the dogma that being a Jedi is about being on adventure and smoking fools with a lightsaber. Which is a lesson Luke ultimately doesn't learn on Dagobah but on Cloud City.

If you think that Yoda can lift the X-wing because he's very powerful you might need to rethink how you're watching these films. Because he has every expectation that Luke can and should be able to do likewise. The entire sequence is about Luke's need to concentrate and have a singular focus. You could even say that Yoda would have preferred Leia, and he seems to have more certainty around her (it's not to be, obviously).

Key quotes: "Wars not make one great." "Your weapons, you do not need them." "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence. Never for attack." Given the context of what happened last time you see Yoda chronologically you can say this is a reaction to how using the dogmatic response that the Jedi have hewn to previously, i.e. leap in and try to kick the ass of the Sith, failed completely and utterly, but he's right. It's about serenity, it's about not shedding blood, it's about achieving balance and if needs be, trickery to confound those who would do evil. That Luke is able to give the Resistance a stay of execution without having to actually fight his nephew is what makes him the greatest Jedi ever, and a truly transcendant fictional hero. And very true to Luke, who defeats the Emperor by throwing away his weapon.

By the same token, people seem to be getting the Luke/Ben sequence very wrong, or seem to be putting all their stock in Kylo's version of the story. Luke admits that for a fleeting moment he contemplates preempting the pain to come, and that is the source of his shame and defeat. What is more Star Wars than a self-fulfilling prophecy?

But yeah, the Force is about focus and need. Luke was able to summon the lightsaber to his hand only when the need was at its greatest, and when he actually calms himself. He is a tempestuous dude, "he has too much of his father in him". A more calculated mind like that of Leia, or a more practical, tough character like Rey can summon it more readily and with greater effect because they can harness what Yoda is looking for Luke to understand. They are characters that do, or do not. They don't whinge about going to Tosche station or staying on till next harvest they just go and ******* do things. Even Anakin, who had a more balance worldview at 9 than Luke did at 20 was getting the Force to work for him. It's all about serenity, focus, balance. This is purely extrapolation from Yoda, which is the ******* Holy Grail of how the Force works. People are too conditioned by a video-game view of Star Wars, seriously.

On what it's all about...

The film is about the evolution of Star Wars. It's pretty important to let go of those things set up in TFA, because they are ultimately as derivative as *. Who cares what Snoke is about? He's another Palpatine, he's a raison d'etre for more conflict but that's that. Phasma is wasted? Not really, she gets a visually spectacular fight scene but otherwise it's a character that exists PURELY because Abrams liked the design. There's no place for her in the story of TFA and it's a loose thread, but at least she can serve as a platform on which Finn can reaffirm his commitment to the Resistance - at the start of the film he's looking to clear out and save Rey, he's still not on board (fair enough, he got Lightsabre'd good and proper).

What is Canto Bight about? It's about the characters, for the first time ever, sticking their head outside of the bubble of eternal light vs dark conflict and seeing the apathetic galaxy at large who is mainly exploiting their pig-headedness. Yes, it doesn't gratify immediately and it ultimately feels like a red herring (although DJ is a great representative of the galaxy at large - affirmed when nobody answers the distress call.) The point, however, is that through the basic humanity of the characters, and an act of kindness rather than an act of blowing s**t up or chopping off someone's hand, they can rouse the galaxy, Them Out There, back into action. That's an extremely powerful and compelling message and links back into how Luke thwarts Kylo. It's about values moreso than ever.

And that applies to Rey being a nobody as well. The series can now move past this Arthurian cycle of destiny and hereditary powers, this idea that only the anointed few can achieve anything, that there are Chosen Ones and that there are destinies to fulfill. We've had that story, and now we're going to get something new, which is absolutely astonishing for a story that has been told for 40 years via cinema. If you want your destiny and hereditary stuff you've got it in Supreme Leader Kylo Ren, who more than anything in this film is the son of Han Solo - the ultimate anti-authoritarian's son now rules the Galaxy. To me that's ******* thrilling.
 
Much as I try, I simply cannot come up with much positive to say about this movie. It was a decent enough sci-fi movie, but an utterly horrendous Star Wars film. So much so that I'd like to rethink my earlier position of placing it just above TPS - it is dead last, the worst canon Star Wars film.

It's problems are numerous, however the very clear abandonment of a storyline, the ridiculous failures of common sense, the horrendous characters and/or acting, and the total disrespect for its audience are unforgivable.

Like it or not, this film is part of a trilogy, with all three films making up a beginning, middle and end. This film diverged so sharply from the story setup in TFA that it couldn't be any more obvious if it was stated as much that Johnson and Abrams had fundamentally different ideas as to what should actually be happening in this universe. The thing is, it doesn't really matter what you thought of TFA - like it or not it set the theme for the trilogy and established the basis of the arc that was to take place. It alluded to the mystery surrounding Snoke, and it teased us with the possibilities of Rey's heritage. To snuff those two things out so lazily and nonchalantly was nothing short of ridiculous.

The entire movie was the slowest chase scene ever, for gods sake. And yet no one in the First Order fleet thought to micro-jump a couple of ships ahead of the fleeing Raddus in order to end it quickly?

Leia's superman stunt - just absolutely absurd and a total insult to the audience. She was in the vacuum of space for christ sake. Glad to see the brainstrust of the film thinks so little of my capacities that they thought I'd accept that.

Rose is a terrible character. Pieced together from every cliche grease-monkey ever put to film. No originality, no substance, and not acted particularly well either. She, and her pointless story arc with Finn wasted precious screen for no other apparent reason than to introduce us to Benecio Del Toro's character - who subsequently was also thin on substance.

Vice-Admiral Holdo. Oh my god.. so bad. SO BAD. Worse than Jar Jar Binks bad. Now work with me here, because this is where the disrespect for the fanbase was so palpable it effectively leaked from the screen...

In Admiral Ackbar you have a popular, well known, and vested fleet leadership character. You COULD have used him as the man that needed to take control in Leia's absence and still generated a level of conflict with Poe if you wanted to. The sacrifice of the ship (more on that later) would have meant so much more with a character gave the slightest damn about. But instead of doing that, he is killed off-screen and given a single line of acknowledgement; only to be 'replaced' with the dull, uninteresting, wafer-thin character of Holdo. Worse, Laura Dern was absolutely horrific in the role. Her acting was cringe worthy. And that's before you even consider how utterly stupid the idea of NOT informing Poe of her plan was. B-grade movie crap.

Ahhh the kamikaze ship. Which for no other reason than 'just because' destroyed numerous support ships that it actually made no physical contact with. You know, just because. And before you get all smarmy about it, the Falcon jumped out of a ******* hangar without damaging the ship it was in during TFA.

This was disjointed garbage. An absolute abortion of a Star Wars film that has, quite literally, damaged my love for the saga that I grew up with.
 

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It absolutely does matter what you think of TFA. If you thought it was derivative garbage... which it is, really, seeing it trashed by its immediate successor is a delight. :)

Important to remember that Empire does a lot to refute ANH and has all sorts of ridiculous things that the Force shouldn't have, like telekinesis? Seeing into the future? C'mon. How come Leia can talk with Luke when she hasn't had any training at all? Preposterous. Wait, so the Rebels aren't obliterated and get away just because an Admiral, a friggin Admiral makes a rookie mistake? Where's General Dodonna? How can these Star Destroyers not detect a ship CLAMPED ONTO THEIR FRIGGING HULL? How do they not notice two Star Destroyers coming right at them? If they can scan life-forms how come they don't detect the space slug? How does Luke, the best pilot ever who blew up the Death Star just CRASH anyway? How did he suddenly get hit with the idiot stick? How did the Falcon not notice a ******* SPACESHIP coming up right behind them? Do these ships have selective sensors? How does Luke know there are suction tubes that will save him? Isn't that just a bit convenient? Why do the Imperials just deactivate the hyperdrive instead of sabotaging the ship proper so it can't even ******* take off?

Actually come to think of it the original is full of these leaps of logic too - they don't blast the escape pod just because it has no life forms? Vader's presence is required on the Death Star... why? Couldn't he just hang around until they discover the plans? Can't they torture Leia on the Devastator? How does it just happen that the droids are sold to Luke of all people? Convenient. Leia knowingly leads the Death Star to Yavin after seeing what it can do? Absurd. They can scan life-forms for an escape pod but not a ship that's landed in their own hangar bay? What would have happened if those TIEs had blown up the Falcon as it left? Where the Star Destroyers at?

Don't even start me on TFA, where they go to Takodana for NO RAISIN and Kylo fails to get the map in the STOOPIDEST of ways... repeatedly, and then abandon what they were after for the last third because A NEW HOPE BITCHES

These films aren't meant to bear up to plot scrutiny (most films aren't actually because who cares), they're escapist adventures, metaphors, and comments on character. The OT progressively expanded the remit and powers of the Force with each installment, don't blame these guys for Lucas keeping it so grounded in the PT (probably deliberate, since the Jedi are bumbling bureaucrats in those films who rarely, if ever, discuss or contemplate the nature of the Force... Palpatine does that instead), the potential of it should be limitless. These are effectively grand-scale versions of existing powers: Leia (daughter of Space Jesus) does TK in reverse, and Luke does the biggest mind trick ever. So what? The film even flirted with Kylo getting to the Jedi island through the Force and that would've been OK because luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.
 
Lord Nicholson said:
It absolutely does matter what you think of TFA. If you thought it was derivative garbage... which it is, really, seeing it trashed by its immediate successor is a delight. :)

Important to remember that Empire does a lot to refute ANH and has all sorts of ridiculous things that the Force shouldn't have, like telekinesis? Seeing into the future? C'mon. How come Leia can talk with Luke when she hasn't had any training at all? Preposterous. Wait, so the Rebels aren't obliterated and get away just because an Admiral, a friggin Admiral makes a rookie mistake? Where's General Dodonna? How can these Star Destroyers not detect a ship CLAMPED ONTO THEIR FRIGGING HULL? How do they not notice two Star Destroyers coming right at them? If they can scan life-forms how come they don't detect the space slug? How does Luke, the best pilot ever who blew up the Death Star just CRASH anyway? How did he suddenly get hit with the idiot stick? How did the Falcon not notice a ******* SPACESHIP coming up right behind them? Do these ships have selective sensors? How does Luke know there are suction tubes that will save him? Isn't that just a bit convenient? Why do the Imperials just deactivate the hyperdrive instead of sabotaging the ship proper so it can't even ******* take off?

Actually come to think of it the original is full of these leaps of logic too - they don't blast the escape pod just because it has no life forms? Vader's presence is required on the Death Star... why? Couldn't he just hang around until they discover the plans? Can't they torture Leia on the Devastator? How does it just happen that the droids are sold to Luke of all people? Convenient. Leia knowingly leads the Death Star to Yavin after seeing what it can do? Absurd. They can scan life-forms for an escape pod but not a ship that's landed in their own hangar bay? What would have happened if those TIEs had blown up the Falcon as it left? Where the Star Destroyers at?

Don't even start me on TFA, where they go to Takodana for NO RAISIN and Kylo fails to get the map in the STOOPIDEST of ways... repeatedly, and then abandon what they were after for the last third because A NEW HOPE BITCHES

These films aren't meant to bear up to plot scrutiny (most films aren't actually because who cares), they're escapist adventures, metaphors, and comments on character. The OT progressively expanded the remit and powers of the Force with each installment, don't blame these guys for Lucas keeping it so grounded in the PT (probably deliberate, since the Jedi are bumbling bureaucrats in those films who rarely, if ever, discuss or contemplate the nature of the Force... Palpatine does that instead), the potential of it should be limitless. These are effectively grand-scale versions of existing powers: Leia (daughter of Space Jesus) does TK in reverse, and Luke does the biggest mind trick ever. So what? The film even flirted with Kylo getting to the Jedi island through the Force and that would've been OK because luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.
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Yeah... well...

Shut up, that's why.
 
After watching it again and dwelling on it my issues with TLJ have now shifted more towards the concept of this 'sequel trilogy' as a whole rather than nitpicky stuff within the film.

If you take the first 2 trilogies as a 6 film saga there's a general consistency and a flow to them that I feel we just don't have with 7 & 8, even though I like them both individually. The whole thing feels so thematically disjointed, and i'm concerned it's only going to get worse because now we're going back to JJ Abrahms for 9 and he wasn't even supposed to be directing it in the first place. I will say that I feel like it's been left in a good place though, Luke got a bloody good end, they basically knotted Leia's arc even without addressing her death and Rey and Kylo are now well and truly positioned as the stars of this show.

TFA felt a lot like old cannon (Good vs Evil, everyone important has to be related to the Skywalkers in some way) and TLJ feels a lot like Disney have got their teeth into it, particularly with the Porgs, Rey just being 'some girl' and Broom kid at the end.

The one thing I will say is that they had the opportunity to better explain the Leia spacewalk and they miffed it. In the new cannon Yoda has said that he originally wanted train Leia and not Luke, he thought she was equal to Luke but less arrogant and less impulsive. I know the scene happens after the spacewalk scene but all we needed was force ghost Yoda to explain to Luke that she has that kind of force ability and I reckon it would have made the whole thing a little more believable.
 
Ripped from facebook.

To help JJ plan the next film here's the perfect formula:

Make it the same as the original trilogy, but also make it different. But dont change anything. Make sure to include surprises, but not surprises we dont want. In fact avoid surprises. But dont rehash anything. Also dont try something new, because we wont like it. Make sure to do justice to the cast, but we wont say how. Just make sure to get it right. I want it to be exactly the way I want it. Just a bit different. And also the same. Make sure we know the back story to all the characters even the incidental ones (because we are all speculating and you better be reading my mind) but leave it mysterious at the same time. No CGI! Keep it practical. But make sure to expand the universe like the prequels did, you know, using CGI. Also dont do anything the prequels did. Or Force Awakens. Or the original trilogy. But make it like those films too. Give it some humour too. But dont make it too funny. Show us some new force powers! But not ones we havent seen before because new powers are ridiculous. Dont kill anyone! it betrays my childhood. But also make it unpredictable by killing off a few characters.

Clear? Good.
 
Gotta be very careful directing/writing a new star wars film, must remember if you choose to introduce a new form of technology or system, it's in the starwars world for good from that point and can't be recalled, nobody devolves, not even in a galaxy far far away...
 
What a steaming pile of s**t.

I don't know how people can stand watching these movies. It's a morbid curiosity that sucks me in and I do regret it usually about 5 minutes in.

Is the whole 'angsty teenage about to slit his wrists' Darth thing supposed to be a joke? The new syphilitic emperor? Less is always more evil. ******* Hitchcock understood it and he'll scare you with 50 year old technology. The people who ghost wrote and ghost directed the original Star Wars movies understood it. There is nothing scarier than seeing enough and then having your imagination do the rest. No amount of CGI can substitute for your imagination and ranting monologues are really best left for the spoofs.

The Empire needs to get back to basics and halve or totally liquidate its HR department. They've gotten rid of their experience and replaced it with graduates. You all know the type, the ones who think buzz words are the same thing as knowledge.

Even a semi decently written film doesn't require the characters to be pseudo narrators. 'They're creating a diversion'? Yes, we know they're creating a ******* diversion.

I'm not even going to bother with the political axe grinding which, ironically enough, is rammed down our throats by white males and the worst most valueless type of capitalist. I am interested in the hierarchy of the oppressed according to the directors and producers.
 
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BrunoV said:
What a steaming pile of s**t.

I don't know how people can stand watching these movies. It's a morbid curiosity that sucks me in and I do regret it usually about 5 minutes in.

Is the whole 'angsty teenage about to slit his wrists' Darth thing supposed to be a joke? The new syphilitic emperor? Less is always more evil. ******* Hitchcock understood it and he'll scare you with 50 year old technology. The people who ghost wrote and ghost directed the original Star Wars movies understood it. There is nothing scarier than seeing enough and then having your imagination do the rest. No amount of CGI can substitute for your imagination and ranting monologues are really best left for the spoofs.

The Empire needs to get back to basics and halve or totally liquidate its HR department. They've gotten rid of their experience and replaced it with graduates. You all know the type, the ones who think buzz words are the same thing as knowledge.

Even a semi decently written film doesn't require the characters to be pseudo narrators. 'They're creating a diversion'? Yes, we know they're creating a ******* diversion.

I'm not even going to bother with the political axe grinding which, ironically enough, is rammed down our throats by white males and the worst most valueless type of capitalist. I am interested in the hierarchy of the oppressed according to the directors and producers.
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It may even be worse than all of that!

The malaise the franchise (may) find itself in....is a direct result of the parent company who has bought it.

Disney work on hope and happy endings, it's their Mo, has and always will be. An adult franchise has been bought by a family movie jugganaut...

All you are going to get from here is nostalgia from past flicks and star wars characters getting about In a space themed Disney World with well placed moral values and symbolism....dumbed down so even the daft can understand. The droids used to be the bounce off that characters could explain details to the audience with.. what's that R2? Yes we need to go to degobah to find master Yoda for.....

Now they don't even bother.. they are creating a diversion..

Anyhow a previous poster may have been right, there may be a jolt in the form of reboot that has just happened re storyline and style but it needed to happen orelse the whole thing would have kept going in a constant ironic circle....or maybe real life does that anyway? Art imitating life imitating art?

Bottom line Disney don't diverge from their formula, hope and morals.
 
Loving how Mark Hamill himself has said 'I don't know who this Luke Skywalker is? He's not my Luke Skywalker, maybe he's Jake Skywalker?'
He's not our Luke Skywalker either.

You are not welcome in my home Rian Johnson! My 7 yr old wants to punch you in the dick.
 
Jade said:
Much as I try, I simply cannot come up with much positive to say about this movie. It was a decent enough sci-fi movie, but an utterly horrendous Star Wars film. So much so that I'd like to rethink my earlier position of placing it just above TPS - it is dead last, the worst canon Star Wars film.

It's problems are numerous, however the very clear abandonment of a storyline, the ridiculous failures of common sense, the horrendous characters and/or acting, and the total disrespect for its audience are unforgivable.

Like it or not, this film is part of a trilogy, with all three films making up a beginning, middle and end. This film diverged so sharply from the story setup in TFA that it couldn't be any more obvious if it was stated as much that Johnson and Abrams had fundamentally different ideas as to what should actually be happening in this universe. The thing is, it doesn't really matter what you thought of TFA - like it or not it set the theme for the trilogy and established the basis of the arc that was to take place. It alluded to the mystery surrounding Snoke, and it teased us with the possibilities of Rey's heritage. To snuff those two things out so lazily and nonchalantly was nothing short of ridiculous.

The entire movie was the slowest chase scene ever, for gods sake. And yet no one in the First Order fleet thought to micro-jump a couple of ships ahead of the fleeing Raddus in order to end it quickly?

Leia's superman stunt - just absolutely absurd and a total insult to the audience. She was in the vacuum of space for christ sake. Glad to see the brainstrust of the film thinks so little of my capacities that they thought I'd accept that.

Rose is a terrible character. Pieced together from every cliche grease-monkey ever put to film. No originality, no substance, and not acted particularly well either. She, and her pointless story arc with Finn wasted precious screen for no other apparent reason than to introduce us to Benecio Del Toro's character - who subsequently was also thin on substance.

Vice-Admiral Holdo. Oh my god.. so bad. SO BAD. Worse than Jar Jar Binks bad. Now work with me here, because this is where the disrespect for the fanbase was so palpable it effectively leaked from the screen...

In Admiral Ackbar you have a popular, well known, and vested fleet leadership character. You COULD have used him as the man that needed to take control in Leia's absence and still generated a level of conflict with Poe if you wanted to. The sacrifice of the ship (more on that later) would have meant so much more with a character gave the slightest damn about. But instead of doing that, he is killed off-screen and given a single line of acknowledgement; only to be 'replaced' with the dull, uninteresting, wafer-thin character of Holdo. Worse, Laura Dern was absolutely horrific in the role. Her acting was cringe worthy. And that's before you even consider how utterly stupid the idea of NOT informing Poe of her plan was. B-grade movie crap.

Ahhh the kamikaze ship. Which for no other reason than 'just because' destroyed numerous support ships that it actually made no physical contact with. You know, just because. And before you get all smarmy about it, the Falcon jumped out of a ******* hangar without damaging the ship it was in during TFA.

This was disjointed garbage. An absolute abortion of a Star Wars film that has, quite literally, damaged my love for the saga that I grew up with.
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You forgot dropping bombs in a vacuum.
 
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