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[barrackers]

That is quite unbelieveable to lose seven of your top ten from the best and fairest in one trade period. Surely the competition cannot continue to be viable with this type of player movement!!

It certainly makes it tough for clubs to build supporter bases.

In some ways I don’t mind that we’ve cut deep into the list (by choice or otherwise), but at the same time retaining 2-4 of those lost would have been damn handy. We’ve lost our whole forward line, which was abundant and most of our spine.

As seen with Molloy youth can come in and dominate, so the draft will define our season more than any other club. Get it right though and we could be setup for years.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Excited for all those draft picks who will leave us next year to join the four new clubs.

The whole thing has been a total, utter s**t-show.

 

[TradeDraft]

Excited for all those draft picks who will leave us next year to join the four new clubs.

The whole thing has been a total, utter s**t-show.

Not Surprise this has Happened with the Idiots at AFL House

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Excited for all those draft picks who will leave us next year to join the four new clubs.

The whole thing has been a total, utter s**t-show.

The advantage with draftees are, the majority of the players traded/poached are free agents, not picked up in the draft last year. I mean there's the odd one like Bannister, but most are older players from established teams.

As someone who has seen a lot of the Under 18s this season, I'm actually more pleased we have a heap of high picks, than some of those players. Aside from Garner, Duffin and King, I think the rest are replaceable by younger counterparts almost immediately. Plenty of good defenders too in the draft, so I anticipate Molloy will go forward, we'll pick up some defenders, mids and a ruck.

 

[76woodenspooners]

That is quite unbelieveable to lose seven of your top ten from the best and fairest in one trade period. Surely the competition cannot continue to be viable with this type of player movement!!

Imagine if our men’s team lost over two seasons ...

... Geoff Walsh (Matthew James) ...

... plus Sidebottom (Eva), Howe (Stevens), Grundy (King), Moore (Hope), DeGoey (Bernardi), WHE (Garner), Maynard (Duffin) ...

... plus turned over practically the entire assistant coaching panel both years.

There’d be riots on the streets!

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Imagine if our men’s team lost over two seasons ...

... Geoff Walsh (Matthew James) ...

... plus Sidebottom (Eva), Howe (Stevens), Grundy (King), Moore (Hope), DeGoey (Bernardi), WHE (Garner), Maynard (Duffin) ...

... plus turned over practically the entire assistant coaching panel both years.

There’d be riots on the streets!

You've got to compare the AFLW though to the early days of the VFL (with clearly a lot more advanced ability and everything else to go with it) or any other competition that is starting off.

The women's game at the moment is about promotion and getting as many people into it from as many different clubs as possible. They are trying to play puppetmaster to ensure all clubs are about even, with a bit more of a helping hand to new ones (to boost immediate memberships).

Once all the teams are in, it will go back to being uncompromised and similar to the men's game in having a national competition where the players are full-time and trading and FA are more restricted than just losing half of your side to expansion clubs. I think copping this heat early is smart, because as I mentioned earlier, expansion clubs are more likely to target established players than young draftees, so by losing them now and building through the draft, we are probably safer than other clubs in 12 months time.

 

[jackcass]

They need to create a tiered pay system for the top 10 players for each club , or make 5 categories of wage pay for the whole list. This way you can pay your best players the most and more and that plus club loyalty will hopefully keep them , whilst still rewarding the players on the lower pay catergories to move up , by moving club or applying pressure on the players above them at their present club.

Its really poorly handled and structured currently

Or just set a salary cap, complete with dictated minimums and match payments, and let clubs work out how to best make it work for them.

 

[jackcass]

You've got to compare the AFLW though to the early days of the VFL (with clearly a lot more advanced ability and everything else to go with it) or any other competition that is starting off.

The women's game at the moment is about promotion and getting as many people into it from as many different clubs as possible. They are trying to play puppetmaster to ensure all clubs are about even, with a bit more of a helping hand to new ones (to boost immediate memberships).

Once all the teams are in, it will go back to being uncompromised and similar to the men's game in having a national competition where the players are full-time and trading and FA are more restricted than just losing half of your side to expansion clubs. I think copping this heat early is smart, because as I mentioned earlier, expansion clubs are more likely to target established players than young draftees, so by losing them now and building through the draft, we are probably safer than other clubs in 12 months time.

And you build a strong young core group who'll hopefully form the basis of a successful side longer term.

 

[jackcass]

Christina Bernard is a Big Loss as she looked good last year kicking the Goals

Bernadi and Garner are the 2 disappointing losses. At least we got appropriately compensated for Bernadi. She'll make a big difference to GWS.

 

[Darkyprotector]

Bit shocked with all this but happy with the outcome

But gotta say I'm spewing Christina's going

The rest

Garners a lose but she was never staying imo

Great to get all the young kids in

Think it will suit our coaching panel

 

[76woodenspooners]

You've got to compare the AFLW though to the early days of the VFL (with clearly a lot more advanced ability and everything else to go with it) or any other competition that is starting off.

The women's game at the moment is about promotion and getting as many people into it from as many different clubs as possible. They are trying to play puppetmaster to ensure all clubs are about even, with a bit more of a helping hand to new ones (to boost immediate memberships).

Once all the teams are in, it will go back to being uncompromised and similar to the men's game in having a national competition where the players are full-time and trading and FA are more restricted than just losing half of your side to expansion clubs. I think copping this heat early is smart, because as I mentioned earlier, expansion clubs are more likely to target established players than young draftees, so by losing them now and building through the draft, we are probably safer than other clubs in 12 months time.

I think the AFL have totally gone about it the wrong way. They could have avoided any heat and made everybody happy by setting up a split competition with a system of promotion (and maybe relegation if they want to keep the split comp long term). I’ve banged on about that enough in the past though.

 

[76woodenspooners]

As someone who has seen a lot of the Under 18s this season, I'm actually more pleased we have a heap of high picks, than some of those players. Aside from Garner, Duffin and King, I think the rest are replaceable by younger counterparts almost immediately. Plenty of good defenders too in the draft, so I anticipate Molloy will go forward, we'll pick up some defenders, mids and a ruck.

A hypothetical ...

Imagine if Ed and Peggy hatched up some crazy idea ahead of a Collingwood v Richmond game, let’s just say that it’s a fundraiser game that’s not for H&A points ...

... they swapped Senior Coaches, Hardwick Coaches Collingwood, Buckley Coaches Richmond. Which team would you support? Which team would you be happy to see win?

... they swapped midfields as well? We get to see Dusty play in a Collingwood guernsey. Which team would you support? Which team would you be happy to see win?

... they swapped the entire team as well? You basically have the Richmond footy department training at the Holden Centre and wearing the Black and a White stripes and being referred to by the commentators as “Collingwood”, and vice versa. Which team would you support? Which team would you be happy to see win?

The point is that at some stage you start to question how you identify with the team that you support. Is it simply about supporting anyone happens to be wearing the sacred black and white stripes? Us humans are social creatures. We’re tribal. We build bonds. Those of us who were around remember Scott Pendlebury as a draftee and whilst a capable footballer, he was a bit awkward. We now we take pride seeing him being a confident captain. We remembering wondering if Maynard would ever make it. We remember Sidebottom on the Premiership dais as a 19 year old. They’re the ties that bind.

Of course the world changes. There are the cycles of birth and death, of destruction and regrowth, of out with the old and in with the new. That’s all part of life too ... but at what stage does the change become too great and the sense of identity is lost? Ask a Fitzroy Lions or a South Melbourne Swans supporter.

 

[TradeDraft]

So I guess we signed NO Free-Agents

 

[Darkyprotector]

We gotta get sharni

 

[barrackers]

We gotta get sharni

There were whispers, but nothing of more substance on SEN yesterday morning that AFLW would be Layton's next move. The day before they mentioned equestrian. Being new to the sport I imagine Layton could be signed as a rookie, but like Brazill a club could decide to go via the draft, so they can play her straight away.

 

[Darkyprotector]

Played for her school team in the ruck

Big Pies fan
Loves he footy

 

[Harry O]

Played for her school team in the ruck

Big Pies fan
Loves he footy

Harford admitted on 927 today that she would likely be a pie

 

[TradeDraft]

Harford admitted on 927 today that she would likely be a pie

I think in AFLW there more Likely to go to there Team they Want

 

[bradrowe#32]

I can't wait to lose her next year for nothing.

 

[barrackers]

Down sizing through consolidating our Netball General Manager (Jennifer McIntyre) and AFLW Footy Ops Manager (formerly Meg Hutchins 2017, formerly Mathew James 2018) roles or putting someone new above these positions? The latter would effectively replace Gubby Allan who originally returned to CFC to oversee our netball and AFLW programs.

We are seeking a dynamic high performance leader to develop and drive the successful implementation of our High Performance Women Sport Strategy across our elite female teams in Netball & Women’s Football.

As an integral member of the club’s executive team you will lead and oversee all aspects of the club’s high performance activities across Collingwood Magpies Netball, ANL, AFLW and VFLW to ensure that Collingwood is considered a destination club both on and off the field.

The successful applicant will be highly regarded within the industry with a strong understanding of the performance drivers underpinning elite women’s sport. You will be instrumental in motivating and building a high performance framework including Sports Science, Strength and Conditioning, Sports Performance Psychology and Medical & Allied Health services to ensure that we are providing our team and athletes with every chance of success both on and off the court and field.

Our preferred candidate will have demonstrated experience in High Performance sport. Ideally, this will include work within elite female sports programs and experience working directly with female athletes.

You are a proactive strategic thinker with the ability to create programs, systems and embed culture to build sustainable performance. Your ability to lead and manage change through influence rather than authority will be a strength of your success, with energy, drive and enthusiasm underlining everything you do.

If you have a comprehensive background working closely athletes, coaches and technical specialists, as well executive management experience in business, sports administration, sports management or coaching, we would like to hear from you.

In return, we offer a highly competitive remuneration package and benefits, state of the art high performance facilities and a strong and vibrant cross club work culture.[/qutoe]

 

[76woodenspooners]

Down sizing through consolidating our Netball General Manager (Jennifer McIntyre) and AFLW Footy Ops Manager (formerly Meg Hutchins 2017, formerly Mathew James 2018) roles or putting someone new above these positions? The latter would effectively replace Gubby Allan who originally returned to CFC to oversee our netball and AFLW programs.

I’d reckon it’d be putting someone new above those positions.

I reckon the existing roles would be about sorting out what coloured socks the ladies wear on the day, organising the team bus, tapping the senior coach on the shoulder 17 minutes before tip off, etc, etc.

The advertised role looks like it’s more strategic ...

Understanding the business of women’s sport, how CFC can fit within that, how to maximize sponsorship opportunities, where the value is in sponsorship opportunities, what’s the image and identity of Collingwood women’s sport and how does that fit within the greater Collingwood brand, etc, etc.

Interestingly, this appears to be a change in direction for the club. Previously, it appeared that the football teams were under one umbrella under Walsh and the netball under a different umbrella Emerson.

Now this seems to be regrouping things by gender rather than by code.

My guess is that what’s really driving this is a desire to allow the AFL folks focus on the traditional business of men’s footy whilst ensuring that women’s footy doesn’t get neglected. And whilst doing that bring netball under it. Putting netball under Emerson (IIRC GM of stadia?) was probably just a temporary measure.

 

[jatz14]

http://www.the42.ie/sarah-rowe-mayo-aflw-collingwood-4211482-Aug2018/

 

[barrackers]

http://www.the42.ie/sarah-rowe-mayo-aflw-collingwood-4211482-Aug2018/

Won the race against the other Vic clubs and US college soccer teams, so she must have some potential. Seems a great role model too.



Where have we seen that tongue poke before?

http://www.the42.ie/sarah-rowe-interview-mayo-dublin-senior-all-ireland-3605807-Sep2017/

TradeDraft some more articles for the Welcome to Collingwood thread


https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sarah-rowe-aussie-rules-collingwood-395857

Marty Clarke, the former Down footballer who also played for Collingwood, got in touch as soon as he heard Rowe was heading Down Under.

He was all praise about Collingwood and it was nice to have an Irish opinion about the whole thing.

I had never kicked a ball before I went over. The coach of Collingwood taught me how to kick a ball quite quickly. He was very technical and I responded well to his coaching style.

They'd all done a lot of video analysis work on me. They'd looked at a lot of my games and had ideas for me and where I'd fit in; how they could transform me from a footballer to an AFL player.

Collingwood went that extra yard to acquire Rowe's services. She met the majority of her teammates - not just the odd one or two - and got on well with them; their professionalism impressed her. It also helped that they were the first club she visited - they opened a gap the rest could not close.

https://www.independent.ie/style/ce...f-the-gaas-fastest-rising-stars-37086912.html

Rowe comes from strong GAA roots - her grandfather Paddy Jordan was a member of the 1951 Mayo All-Ireland winning team, stories of which inspired her own love of the game.

https://www.oneills.com/au_en/blog/sarah-rowe-talks-ladies-football.html

Her grandad Paddy Jordan was on the last Mayo team to win the Sam Maguire so the quest for an All Ireland is in the blood. Her other grandad John Rowe played in an All Ireland minor final, both strong connections in sport that she is very proud of as she makes her own way with football-mad Mayo.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/si...y/news-story/d4dbf993d4cb951cb18cc3c443bb2a6c

“The first time I kicked the oval shaped ball was on Thursday,” she said.

“As I said, you can’t trust it but you can trust a soccer ball.

“I’ve started to get used to kicking the ball and the backwards bend. It’s a bit different and the follow through with your kick is something I’d need to learn.

“You kind of have to snap your foot a bit more in AFL. I got the hang of it even though it took me a few minutes.”

Like all good teachers-to-be, Rowe is organised. She has already signed with a manager — James Vine from OMP Sports Management — who is mightily impressed by what he’s observed.

“She has held a football in her hand for less than five minutes and is already able to execute a drop punt,” Vine told foxfooty.com.au

“And it’s a better drop punt than most people who have been playing the game for years!”

 

[Maggie5]

Have read it but still don't understand how the finals will work.

Not every AFLW team will play each other next season as the growing competition moves to a two-conference format. With Geelong and North Melbourne entering the women’s league in 2019, the 10-team competition will be split into two groups of five to play across a seven-match regular season with a longer finals series.
Under the plan yet to be formally ticked off, clubs will not be limited to playing within their predetermined conferences. They will play four games within their group – the makeup of which is still unconfirmed – with the remaining three inter-conference clashes.

The new two-week finals’ system will feature each conference’s top two teams, with the winners meeting in the grand final in late March. Head of women’s football Nicole Livingstone said the players’ finals wish meant a longer regular season was not possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/07/aflw-moves-to-five-team-conference-format-for-2019

 

[jatz14]

Have read it but still don't understand how the finals will work.

Not every AFLW team will play each other next season as the growing competition moves to a two-conference format. With Geelong and North Melbourne entering the women’s league in 2019, the 10-team competition will be split into two groups of five to play across a seven-match regular season with a longer finals series.
Under the plan yet to be formally ticked off, clubs will not be limited to playing within their predetermined conferences. They will play four games within their group – the makeup of which is still unconfirmed – with the remaining three inter-conference clashes.

The new two-week finals’ system will feature each conference’s top two teams, with the winners meeting in the grand final in late March. Head of women’s football Nicole Livingstone said the players’ finals wish meant a longer regular season was not possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/07/aflw-moves-to-five-team-conference-format-for-2019

2 conferences of 5 teams.
Play each team in your conference once, and 3 of the 5 teams in the other conference.
Top team of 1 conference, plays second of the other, and vice versa in preliminary finals.
Winners play off in the grand final.

Seven games. 2 weeks of finals.

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