Hypocrisy of The Left - part 2

[its free real estate]

I think English needs a new gender neutral pronoun other than 'they'. It's kind of defaulted to they, but it's not exactly uniform, and it's patchy.

English is one of the most gender neutral Indo-European languages - it completely lacks grammatical gender.

 

[Bradesmaen]

I don't like it because it is statistically unnecessary and illogical. They are generally good reasons.

How is it illogical and how does it affect you?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Again, who is it helping?

People who don't identify with the gender binary. It could be a teaching tool.

To be honest, if MLK was a 60, a worker's led socialist revolution is a 100, this is a 0.000000001. It's a slight step towards more civility.

But it's a pencil pusher project.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

You have asserted 'they' should replace 'he' and 'she'. Is this not abolition?

No, unless abolition's meaning has changed to 'offering guidance about'.

 

[Maddhew]

People who don't identify with the gender binary. It could be a teaching tool.

To be honest, if MLK was a 60, a worker's led socialist revolution is a 100, this is a 0.000000001. It's a slight step towards more civility.

But it's a pencil pusher project.

Teaching people to be respectful and sympathetic to everyone's differences is a great idea. Compelling people to adopt a blanket approach to their dealings with people to avoid the potential of offending them is not.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Teaching people to be respectful and sympathetic to everyone's differences is a great idea. Compelling people to adopt a blanket approach to their dealings with people to avoid the potential of offending them is not.

Again, can you identify who is compelling others?

 

[Maddhew]

How is it illogical and how does it affect you?

It is illogical because I would need to refer to 23,000 people by a gender neutral pronoun before I found someone who would appreciate it because it didn't make them feel awkward. It affects me because I would rather call the other 22,999 people by what they would like to be called.

 

[its free real estate]

How is it illogical and how does it affect you?

They is a plural pronoun. Replace the gendered pronouns in the below with 'they'

"Mark and Jenny got married. He was from Perth, she was from Melbourne."

"Before the wedding, Mark had a Bucks party. He got too drunk and passed out and they went to a strip club''

To fix the ambiguity, our language must become clumsier.

 

[Maddhew]

Again, can you identify who is compelling others?

Swap compel with encourage and my point still stands

 

[its free real estate]

No, unless abolition's meaning has changed to 'offering guidance about'.

Do you think guidance is where it ends?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Do you think guidance is where it ends?

Where does it end?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Swap compel with encourage and my point still stands

They're very different things.

I couldn't give a * what you use.

 

[its free real estate]

Where does it end?

Do you think the people who institute these things will be happy with simple guidance?

If you fervently believe that gendered language leads to oppression, then abolition is the goal.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Do you think the people who institute these things will be happy with simple guidance?

If you fervently believe that gendered language leads to oppression, then abolition is the goal.

In practical terms, what does this end point look like?

 

[its free real estate]

In practical terms, what does this end point look like?

No one can predict the far future, but in the next 10 years, at the very least, more reasons for HR departments to sack people. If that's the ride you want to hitch your wagon to, good luck to you.

 

[Bradesmaen]

It is illogical because I would need to refer to 23,000 people by a gender neutral pronoun before I found someone who would appreciate it because it didn't make them feel awkward. It affects me because I would rather call the other 22,999 people by what they would like to be called.

That isn't an affect on you, except for the fact that you don't like them.

 

[its free real estate]

That isn't an affect on you, except for the fact that you don't like them.

Effect.

 

[Malifice]

English is one of the most gender neutral Indo-European languages - it completely lacks grammatical gender.

Isnt the default when a persons gender is not known to refer to them as 'He'?

I get that we dont have 'male' or 'female' tables, or chairs or trees (like they do in French and many other Romantic languages), but it's still weird.

For example 'his car' (a mans car), 'her car' (a womans car) and 'their car' (when we dont know the gender of who owns the car).

Its weird, because 'their' carries a inference of plurality.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

No one can predict the far future, but in the next 10 years, at the very least, more reasons for HR departments to sack people. If that's the ride you want to hitch your wagon to, good luck to you.

Perhaps you should work to strengthen the union movement and worker protections rather than be swept up by alt right identity politics then.

 

[its free real estate]

Isnt the default when a persons gender is not known to refer to them as 'He'?

Never has been for me. If I don't know the gender of someone (rare, but possible) I use they.

 

[its free real estate]

Perhaps you should work to strengthen the union movement and worker protections rather than be swept up by alt right identity politics then.

I am a member of a union, so thank you.

 

[Maddhew]

That isn't an affect on you, except for the fact that you don't like them.

I don't like who?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Effect.

I always get that one wrong. My one fault in life.

 

[Maddhew]

I always get that one wrong. My one fault in life.

#metoo

 

[Malifice]

Never has been for me. If I don't know the gender of someone (rare, but possible) I use they.

Its not technically correct to use 'they' as a singular pronoun. 'They' confers a plural connotation (along with 'them' and 'their') although all three words have been gaining acceptance as a the singular for a person of unspecified or unknown gender:

The word they (with its counterparts them, their, and themselves) as a singular pronoun to refer to a person of unspecified gender has been used since at least the 16th century. In the late 20th century, as the traditional use of he to refer to a person of either gender came under scrutiny on the grounds of sexism, this use of they became more common. It is now generally accepted in contexts where it follows an indefinite pronoun such as anyone, no one, someone, or a person, as in 'anyone can join if they are a resident' and 'each to their own'. In other contexts, coming after singular nouns, the use of they is now common, though less widely accepted, especially in formal contexts. Sentences such as 'ask a friend if they could help' are still criticized for being ungrammatical.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/they