Conspiracy Theory School shooting conspiracy

[Pugz89]

Over 10,000 Americans have been killed and injured by firearms in 2018 alone.
They were fired on by fellow Americans.

I assume those stats include suicide, they usually do. Suicides usually make up a high percentage of such statistics.

 

[William Wonka]

I assume those stats include suicide, they usually do. Suicides usually make up a high percentage of such statistics.

Nope.
Homicides
-Wikipedia:
In 2016, there were 11,004 gun homicides (65% handguns, 6% rifle/shotgun, 30% other/unknown type)[72]

 

[Pugz89]

Nope.
Homicides
-Wikipedia:
In 2016, there were 11,004 gun homicides (65% handguns, 6% rifle/shotgun, 30% other/unknown type)[72]
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So, yes it does. According to https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=881

homicide
n. the killing of a human being due to the act or omission of another. Included among homicides are murder and manslaughter, but not all homicides are a crime, particularly when there is a lack of criminal intent. Non-criminal homicides include killing in self-defense, a misadventure like a hunting accident or automobile wreck without a violation of law like reckless driving, or legal (government) execution. Suicide is a homicide, but in most cases there is no one to prosecute if the suicide is successful. Assisting or attempting suicide can be a crime.

Note the second last sentence.

Also, interesting that the federal assault weapons ban from 1994-2004 only brought gun deaths down to 1985 level, and add to that the columbine massacre happened during that period as well.

 

[William Wonka]

So, yes it does. According to https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=881

homicide
n. the killing of a human being due to the act or omission of another. Included among homicides are murder and manslaughter, but not all homicides are a crime, particularly when there is a lack of criminal intent. Non-criminal homicides include killing in self-defense, a misadventure like a hunting accident or automobile wreck without a violation of law like reckless driving, or legal (government) execution. Suicide is a homicide, but in most cases there is no one to prosecute if the suicide is successful. Assisting or attempting suicide can be a crime.

Note the second last sentence.

Also, interesting that the federal assault weapons ban from 1994-2004 only brought gun deaths down to 1985 level, and add to that the columbine massacre happened during that period as well.

Disregard the somantics.

Homicides in this instance means murders by another, not suicide.

Wikipedia-
United States:
In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5] 21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4]

TOTAL: Thirty Thousand plus deaths .
10,000+ Murders
20,000+ Suicides

 

[Pugz89]

Disregard the somantics.

Homicides in this instance means murders by another, not suicide.

Wikipedia-
United States:
In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5] 21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4]

TOTAL: Thirty Thousand plus deaths .
10,000+ Murders
20,000+ Suicides

Okay, interesting. On the flip side, I found some stats that also make for interesting reading.

Now based on that, whether they are legal or illegal, gangs would either acquire weapons by any means necessary. Not saying there is a right or wrong answer to this but I certainly think it isn't as black and white as most people think it is.

 

[William Wonka]

Okay, interesting. On the flip side, I found some stats that also make for interesting reading.

Now based on that, whether they are legal or illegal, gangs would either acquire weapons by any means necessary. Not saying there is a right or wrong answer to this but I certainly think it isn't as black and white as most people think it is.

Handguns are available on the black market in Australia as well.
Four or five grand will get you one.

This means Bikies and 'Underbelly' types have access to them but dickhead teenage street scum most certainly do not.
The scarcity of legal weapons in Australia makes it very hard for them to be stolen as well, whereas in the USA...

"The ATF estimates that 190,342 guns were lost or stolen in the U.S. in 2012. Most of those guns (177,898) were lost or stolen from private residences and vehicles, but 5,762 firearms were reported as being stolen from Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealers—gun stores, pawn shops, and so on."

Thats 180,000 guns stolen in a single year.
In Australia we have had about 17,000 stolen in the last decade.
Thats less than 1%.
Add to this the fact that most guns stolen in Australia are single shot rifles and shotguns.
And if Abdalla and Trev do happen to do a burg and hit the jackpot by stealing a Luger some old digger brought home from the war where the hell are they going to come up with 7.65mm ammo at 2 am on a Saturday morning?
Its not like they can wander in to Kmart like in the US is it?

 

[Pugz89]

Handguns are available on the black market in Australia as well.
Four or five grand will get you one.

This means Bikies and 'Underbelly' types have access to them but dickhead teenage street scum most certainly do not.
The scarcity of legal weapons in Australia makes it very hard for them to be stolen as well, whereas in the USA...

"The ATF estimates that 190,342 guns were lost or stolen in the U.S. in 2012. Most of those guns (177,898) were lost or stolen from private residences and vehicles, but 5,762 firearms were reported as being stolen from Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealers—gun stores, pawn shops, and so on."

Thats 180,000 guns stolen in a single year.
In Australia we have had about 17,000 stolen in the last decade.
Thats less than 1%.
Add to this the fact that most guns stolen in Australia are single shot rifles and shotguns.
And if Abdalla and Trev do happen to do a burg and hit the jackpot by stealing a Luger some old digger brought home from the war where the hell are they going to come up with 7.65mm ammo at 2 am on a Saturday morning?
Its not like they can wander in to Kmart like in the US is it?

If you wander into a 'Kmart' over there, there is a background check and a waiting period enforced I believe. Guns will never be banned over there anyway, so I guess it's a moot point.

 

[jatz14]

If you wander into a 'Kmart' over there, there is a background check and a waiting period enforced I believe. Guns will never be banned over there anyway, so I guess it's a moot point.

This is the reason gun-shows are so popular. Private sellers do not do background checks, do not record who bought the gun, do not require ID. If you are insane, have a violent criminal history, belong to a drug gang, or have made public threats to shoot your entire family, you can walk into a gun-show, buy a modern weapon, with no public record of the transaction, no licence, no background checks, the seller doesn't even need to know your name, and its all perfectly legal.

There is no level of public danger you can represent that would make it illegal to buy a gun in the US, just illegal to buy it from K Mart.

If there is conspiracy here, its by the gun lobby, who have succeeded in creating a narrative that the inability of gun control to stop massacres, despite the laws being designed so they cannot work, means that there should be more guns, not better laws.

Its not only conspiracy, its brilliantly effective conspiracy. It has all the great hallmarks of conspiracy, cabal like organisations (NRA), with fingers into all the halls of power, enmeshed with big finance, and politicians more concerned with their personal position, and getting their snouts in the trough, plus an enormous capacity to manipulate media and control the message.

An organisation capable of spinning children being gunned down by nutjobs into a reason FOR guns, is truly capable of anything.

Give the known capacity of this group, and the counter intuitive militarisation of America following school massacres, armed guards in schools, calls to arm teachers, in some places, the actual arming of teachers, in Texas, even the arming of students. To then say that school massacres are some conspiracy to disarm the US, really. Isnt it far more likely to be a conspiracy to arm America. They are going to end up with a generation of kids raised in schools patrolled by armed guards, where teachers have guns behind the desks, its a Charlton ******* Heston wet dream.

If you say this is a conspiracy to disarm America, then either you are part of the conspiracy to ARM America, or blind as a bat.

Edit:. Proposal out today in the US to stock schools with military grade weapons for use in an emergency. Yeh, right, school shootings are a conspiracy to strip the American people of guns.

 

[theyellowsash]

The kinds of people who believe these kinds of conspiracies, are the exact reason we need gun control. Society doesn't need guns in the hands of people with such warped minds, lest they camouflage themselves in tin foil and open fire on a school bus of children who were all 'part of the conspiracy'.

 

[theyellowsash]

Tell me more about these reptoids.

They're the steroid based drugs they give you to turn you into one of the lizard people

 

[Werewolf]

There have been three recent apparent suicides - two survivors of the Parkland school shooting and one parent of a Sandy Hook victim. This on top of ongoing reports of LV shooting witness deaths - details are sketchy and I haven't even looked into it TBH. Conspiracy chatter is suggesting all this is not a coincidence and actually about silencing witnesses.