Analysis Stadium deals - what, how, when - why we need a new one and the SA footy paradigm shift happening

[NTRabbit]

What hospitality precinct?

All the restaurants and pubs they're building in the plaza at the southern end of the bridge, and across the front of two of the Convention Centre buildings facing the Torrens. Maybe it's a bit small to be called a precinct.

 

[NTRabbit]

'How can we funnel more money to our ex-colleagues, donors, and future employers?'

A 128-ROOM boutique hotel is set to wrap around Adelaide Oval’s eastern grandstand, facing the parklands, financed by a State Government loan of up to $42 million.

Plans for the Australian-first stadium hotel, obtained exclusively by the Sunday Mail, show a five-level building extending from the eastern stand’s northeastern and southeastern exterior sides, linked by a second-level walkway.

It is understood the hotel will be integrated into the eastern facade of the existing grandstand structure and contained within the Oval precinct, without affecting the Parklands or current plaza.

But the plans, developed by the architects behind the award-winning $535 million Oval redevelopment opened in 2014, will ignite debate about development in Adelaide’s Parklands.

Hotel rooms will face the Parklands, not the Oval, although it is likely there will be a special entrance. Guests will need tickets for events.

It is understood plans will be unveiled today by Premier Steven Marshall and the Oval’s Stadium Management Authority, which will build and manage the hotel.

Construction is expected to start in mid-2019 ahead of an opening in August 2020, in time for the International Cricket Council Men’s World T20, for which Adelaide Oval will host a semi-final that November.

The project’s total value is not known, though it is likely to about the same as the loan capped at $42 million, provided at standard 30-year commercial rates by the SA Government Financing Authority.

It is understood the SMA, along with joint venture partners the SANFL and South Australian Cricket Association, has been considering a hotel and preparing the business case for some time.

More than 100 full-time jobs are expected to be created when the hotel is complete. The hotel effectively will be built snug against the eastern stand, on the existing Oval footprint.

Oval seats will not be affected by construction and it is understood none of the existing patron access points, including the plaza and atrium entry, will be affected by the development.

The SMA has started plans to minimise the effect on game-day patrons for football and cricket seasons. The design, by COX Architecture, has been reviewed by the Office for Design and Architecture South Australia, a Government body, to ensure it is in keeping with the existing structures and plans soon will be put before the State Commission Assessment Panel, which assesses major developments.

 

[Relativity]

"Guests will need tickets for events."
So it will have next to zero occupancy during shield games then.

 

[Prison bar Pete]

'How can we funnel more money to our ex-colleagues, donors, and future employers?'

disgraceful

 

[Contested Marx]

'How can we funnel more money to our ex-colleagues, donors, and future employers?'

Yuck

 

[Papa G]

'How can we funnel more money to our ex-colleagues, donors, and future employers?'

Yuck.
They really are doing their damndest to kill the golden goose aren't they?

 

[Forzaport]

Yuck.
They really are doing their damndest to kill the golden goose aren't they?

Just wait for when they name it the Adelaide Crows Hotel.

 

[John the Butcher]

'How can we funnel more money to our ex-colleagues, donors, and future employers?'

Terrible

 

[Visenfest]

So we get a beautiful redeveloped Adelaide Oval, and now that we have a Liberal government the SMA and their cronies feel safe to f**k it up.

 

[Slammer]

A hotel next to Adelaide Oval....now that's a stupid idea.

 

[Grave Danger]

Oh, you bunch of Anne Morans!

 

[Portwon]

Trying to our my hatred of the SMA aside but we can't get a wider bridge but we can this thing?

Tin foil hat time.

The bottom two floors are set aside for offices at a reduced rate to.....

 

[The_Wookie]

'How can we funnel more money to our ex-colleagues, donors, and future employers?'

Australian first if you ignore the fact that the AFL released plans to do pretty much the same thing at Docklands a year and a half ago.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Stupidity I hope it falls over.

 

[bomberclifford]

Why not just build a hotel on the le cornu site you *heads.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Now if we can build an airport on the parklands on the western side, how good would that be?

 

[jac147]

Stupidity I hope it falls over.

Those North Adelaide residents are a pretty determined lot if a development doesn’t meet with their approval. Case in point the old Le Cornu site.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

'How can we funnel more money to our ex-colleagues, donors, and future employers?'

Wont work - as a significant revenue/profit earner for the owners.

They tried it at the Skydome in Toronto that opened in 1989 - was a last minute thing added on to the stadium a year out from completion, to help fund the $350m+ cost blowout for the first 50,000+ stadium with a working retractable roof and the hotel as a separate business was a flop. The Renaissance Hotel Group own it these days.

Rogers Communication group ended up buying the $600m stadium for about $25m in 2004 so based on that sort of cost base, they probably could make some money out of it, but they didn't purchase the hotel portion of the stadium and re named the Skydome the Rogers Centre.

Only benefit of having a 300+ room hotel with 70 rooms overlooking the field of play, was that in the first baseball season the hotel was completed to have guests able to watch play ie early in the 1990 season, a couple forgot that if they leaved the lights on, people could see into the room. They got bored with the game and started bonking and slowly the crowd and players - playing in an MLB game, can't remember who the Blue Jays were playing - started telling the people, players next to them to look up and everybody stopped to glance up to their room. Apparently a near capacity stadium gave the couple a standing ovation when they finished.

This story from one of the Toronto papers in 2012 looks back at 20+ years of incidents at the stadium hotel.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/2012/09/16/skydome_hotel_scandals_over_the_years.html

It hasn’t happened in a while, but in the early and mid-’90s it had become something of a regular occurrence for couples to be seen having sex in the SkyDome Hotel windows while a game was being played, in full view of binocular-toting fans...........

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The 70 (of 300+) hotel rooms at the Skydome with views of the stadium are over centre field fence for baseball

below are the images of the field of play from some of the rooms at the Skydome, which you wont get at the proposed AO hotel.

Most of the Sydome rooms are small rooms. At AO the proposed $42m for 128 room with no views of the field sound like cheap pokie rooms to me.

And the hotel has suites it sells or lets guests have access to.

 

[chiwigi]

It needed to be done when the stadium was built.

Gotta love the Liberals.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Oh, you bunch of Anne Morans!

She will keep the food vans away!

 

[Portology]

Those North Adelaide residents are a pretty determined lot if a development doesn’t meet with their approval. Case in point the old Le Cornu site.

Yeah you may want to have a look at the history of excessive “reaching” with proposals, the long list of actually approved plans, and the many failed project initiations there before watering that old #fakenews chestnut again.

It is ironic that the most iconic “failed development” site in the CBD is also the one where the sometimes cantankerous ACC and the often cantankerous North Adelaide residents have the least share of blame.

As for the AO hotel proposal does anyone else find it disgusting and ridiculous that the bloody SANFL in effect continue to partly run this show, to the benefit of their cronies rather than of the game? Anywhere else than SA an ICAC would have nipped it in the bud years ago.


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[Grave Danger]

"The sauna room? Ha ha, very amusing, Michelangelo! But no, I'd be very flattered with a conference room or the Presidential Suite or some such."

 

[El_Scorcho]

Can't wait for their hotel to flop because there is no demand for it for 90% of the year and then they recoup their losses by gouging more money out of us.

Can we just build the hotel with a clause in the contract that if it fails, control over the SANFL goes to the Crows and Power?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Decent change to go from this look on the eastern side

To this

If they build it, then the SMA can finance it and if they * it up, then the bloody stadium deal for the 2 AFL clubs doesn't have to be changed to try and cover the SMA's * up.

This is Olsen trying to be relevant again with his Liberal mates back in power.

I was somewhat reluctant that the state government provide 100% of the funding for the redevelopment of AO, especially if the clubs weren't going to get any real benefit out of it and the SANFL still had us shackled up to their slave like conditions.

The state government thankfully ignored me and helped break those shackles.

But this isn't something the state government needs to spend money on given their cuts to programs because they "don't have the money," to do things line, Lucas has been running with for months now.

This should be build by a private consortium and they can try and run it for a profit. Getting into the hotel business for high end "sports consumers" isn't the greatest use for public funds I can think of.