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[The Nostradamus]

GREATER Western Sydney defender Nicola Barr has been sent directly to the Tribunal after being charged with rough conduct against North Melbourne midfielder Ash Riddell.
Barr bumped Riddell off the ball in the third quarter, with the Roo landing awkwardly on her ankle and not returning.
"It's the first time in my involvement in the MRO that we've sent a case ungraded to the Tribunal," MRO officer Michael Christian told womens.a

• https://womens.afl/news/16372/in-case-you-missed-it-a-snapshot-of-round-two

"We didn't feel the action and impact from Barr was captured accurately by the penalty table and the guidelines.
"It was most appropriate to sent ungraded to the Tribunal so both sides can present their case and a more appropriate penalty can be handed out."
Barr, the 2016 No.1 selection, was also charged with rough conduct against North Melbourne forward Daisy Bateman. She is able to accept a reprimand with an early guilty plea, with the incident was assessed as intentional conduct with low impact to the body.

That flog Nicola Barr caused the Riddell injury

Rub her out for 6 werks
Off the ball and caused damage

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

GREATER Western Sydney defender Nicola Barr has been sent directly to the Tribunal after being charged with rough conduct against North Melbourne midfielder Ash Riddell.
Barr bumped Riddell off the ball in the third quarter, with the Roo landing awkwardly on her ankle and not returning.
"It's the first time in my involvement in the MRO that we've sent a case ungraded to the Tribunal," MRO officer Michael Christian told womens.afl.
"We didn't feel the action and impact from Barr was captured accurately by the penalty table and the guidelines.
"It was most appropriate to sent ungraded to the Tribunal so both sides can present their case and a more appropriate penalty can be handed out."
Barr, the 2016 No.1 selection, was also charged with rough conduct against North Melbourne forward Daisy Bateman. She is able to accept a reprimand with an early guilty plea, with the incident was assessed as intentional conduct with low impact to the body.
Two other players were offered a one-match suspension in a fiery second round of the AFLW, with Fremantle's Gabby O'Sullivan and Brisbane's Arianna Clarke potentially set for a week on the sidelines.
O'Sullivan was charged with striking Brisbane defender Shannon Campbell with the incident graded as careless contact with medium impact to the head.


In the same match, Clarke was charged with rough conduct against Docker forward Kellie Gibson. It was classified as careless conduct with medium impact to the head.
Four $400 fines were offered to players, with reprimands available for all incidents if early guilty pleas are taken.

- North Melbourne midfielder Kaitlyn Ashmore has been offered a reprimand for rough conduct against Giants captain Amanda Farrugia (careless conduct with low impact to the head).

- Teammate Tahlia Randall has been offered a reprimand for rough conduct against Giants winger Elle Bennetts (careless conduct with low impact to the head).
- Carlton midfielder Sarah Hosking has been offered a reprimand for rough conduct against Adelaide veteran Courtney Cramey (careless conduct with low impact to the head).
- Brisbane midfielder Paige Parker has been offered a reprimand for rough conduct against Fremantle midfielder Kiara Bowers (careless conduct with low impact to the head).
Two other incidents were assessed, with a "tangle of legs" between Philipa Seth and Kate McCarthy and a bump between Sarah Hosking and Jess Foley looked at, but given the all clear.

 

[Luke72]

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019...wring-from-the-ground-up/10799044?pfmredir=sm
'Being different is something we should embrace': Why the AFLW's appeal is growing
OPINION BY KATE O'HALLORAN
UPDATED YESTERDAY AT 1:47PM
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A view of play at sunset during the Round 2 AFLW match between the Bulldogs and Cats.
PHOTO Suburban venues (like Whitten Oval, pictured) are used in part because the AFL believes in harnessing and growing the league's grassroots appeal.
AAP: HAMISH BLAIR
Standing in the recesses of Whitten Oval after the Cats' first loss of the season, Geelong ruck Erin Hoare expresses a range of discordant emotions in our post-match interview.

Elated to have played in her first game of the year after foot surgery in September, she says she is "devastated" to have lost the all-important clash against reigning premiers the Bulldogs.

Then, as the conversation turns to an impressive turnout at the Whitten Oval — 8,612 in total — her face changes again to a broad smile.

"This ground is phenomenal," she says.

"It's such an amazing atmosphere. I was saying after the game right now [to my teammates] that it feels very AFLW-specific, you know?"

Rebecca Goring of the Cats is tackled by Katie Brennan of the Bulldogs.
PHOTO Rebecca Goring of the Cats (left) is tackled by Katie Brennan of the Bulldogs at Whitten Oval.

I do know. My best attempt — as a fan, as someone on the outer — is to describe it to Hoare as having a "community feel" that attracts a very different kind of crowd to AFL men's football.

Fans of women's sport, the broader LGBTIQ community and those interested in gender equity more broadly — these are the people I see drawn to AFLW matches, many of whom would have made the trip to Footscray for their first ever match of Australian rules football on Friday.

"I'm quite strong in the belief that AFLW is different and that is why it is so special," Hoare says.
"Being different is something we can, we should and we have the right to embrace … there's calls for it just to be seen as 'sport' [as opposed to women's sport], but there's a part of me that thinks that women's sport is so special, and has such advantages over other sports, that it's a strength that we're women's sport.

"What that means is over and above what just 'sport' could represent."

Indeed, it was once again about more than just sport when Collingwood ran onto Victoria Park several hours earlier for the first time in their women's team's history.

Melbourne fans wave flags at the Round 2 AFLW match between Collingwood and Melbourne at Victoria Park.
PHOTO Demons fans show their support at Victoria Park.

AAP: DAVID CROSLING
AFL games ceased at the famous ground in 1999 — to the delight of many an opposition supporter for whom a trip to Lulie Street was loathed and often avoided.

It was in the face of that history that some of those same, and on this occasion, neutral, supporters returned and even joined in the raucous applause that accompanied the Pies' women's team on Saturday.

To commemorate the occasion, those in attendance were issued a vintage, souvenir ticket that was reminiscent more of the century in which the ground first opened (the 19th) than the 21st.

And, while it may have taken until late in the fourth quarter for their team to score, it was impossible to ignore the fixated, glowing faces of young girls in the crowd, reminiscent of Michael Willson's formative picture of the cultural revolution taking place in this country around women's sport.

Lightning does strike twice
That revolution is not without its challenges, this round most obvious in the debacle that occurred in the coveted Friday night slot, when play between the Giants and Kangaroos was halted thanks to a blackout at Drummoyne Oval.

Amanda Farrugia of the Giants is tackled by Emma Humphries of the Kangaroos.
PHOTO Amanda Farrugia of the Giants is tackled by Emma Humphries of the Kangaroos in challenging conditions at Drummoyne Oval.

AAP: DAN HIMBRECHTS
With the game having already been delayed for 45 minutes before the first bounce due to "technical issues", the ground was plunged into darkness midway through the second quarter.

It is not the first time wild weather has wreaked havoc in AFLW, with the Giants remarkably featuring in two games interrupted by lightning — the first, against Carlton, almost a year to the day before.

AFLW captains share their hopes for the future of the competition

The AFLW promises fitter, stronger, more skilled and better paid athletes, but the league's stars still have to balance work and sport.
Conditions at Drummoyne were reportedly so bad this year that communications between coaches and players failed, while Fox commentary was also affected.

That lightning should strike twice is no doubt an issue of the time of year in which AFLW is played, but also of the substandard infrastructure the women's game is sometimes provided.

While suburban venues are used in part because the AFL believes in harnessing and growing the league's grassroots appeal, they also present serious challenges for AFLW's maintenance of professional standards.

The great irony in the chaos on Friday night was that it stole the limelight off yet another thumping Kangaroos win — as sure a sign as ever of the competition's healthy future.

Princes Park to get much needed overhaul
Rhiannon Watt of the Blues takes the ball out of the ruck against the Crows.
PHOTO Rhiannon Watt of the Blues takes the ball out of the ruck against the Adelaide Crows at Ikon Park on Saturday.

AAP: HAMISH BLAIR
The risk in hosting games at these "boutique" grounds, then, is that charm is often traded for the well-oiled professionalism afforded to men's sport as a given.

Women's sport still neglected in the media

Our females sports stars are shining brightest, so why hasn't there been a corresponding spike in the coverage of women's sport, asks Richard Hinds.
It is those professional standards, in turn, which lend the game due respect.

In that context, perhaps the best AFLW news for round two is the announcement that the Federal Government is pledging $15 million for the redevelopment of Princes Park, which will turn the ground into a high-performance women's league training facility with an upgraded oval, women's coaching education hub, sports injury prevention and research centre and allied health centre.

With growing conjecture around the rate of ACL injuries in AFLW and women's footy more broadly, these are the necessary strides towards professionalism that will nurture and grow the competition while maintaining its unique "community" vibe.

Kate O'Halloran is a sportswriter and former Victorian cricketer. She hosts AFLW radio show Kick Like a Girl 12-1pm Mondays on RRR and will be writing a Monday column on the AFLW for the ABC.

 

[Luke72]

GREATER Western Sydney defender Nicola Barr will miss the club's match against Carlton after receiving a one-match suspension from the AFL Tribunal for rough conduct against North Melbourne midfielder Ash Riddell.

The charge was the first case in three AFLW seasons to be sent directly to the Tribunal, and was also the first ungraded incident.

"We didn't feel the action and impact from Barr was captured accurately by the penalty table and the guidelines," MRO officer Michael Christian told womens.afl.

"It was most appropriate to send ungraded to the Tribunal so both sides can present their case and a more appropriate penalty can be handed out."

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Barr had bumped Riddell close to 40 metres off the ball and pleaded guilty to rough conduct.

The Roo had landed awkwardly and suffered a right ankle syndesmosis injury, which will likely keep her out for 4-6 weeks and could require surgery.

As the incident was ungraded, both parties presented to Tribunal chairman David Jones on the appropriate citation.

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Adrian Anderson, representing Barr, suggested the incident should be graded as medium-high contact and of careless intent.

The AFL's representative, Jeff Gleeson, submitted the case should be graded as severe contact and intentional intent.

In her evidence, Barr said while she had intended to bump Riddell, she believed it was of relatively light contact and it was not her intention push Riddell to the ground, let alone cause injury.

Evidence submitted included behind-the-goals vision of the incident and, unusually, a Facebook post and photo from Riddell's account, demonstrating she had previously broken the same right ankle in January 2017.

After close to an hour and a half of presentations and a further 10 minutes of deliberation, the Tribunal panel of Wayne Henwood, Stewart Loewe and Sharelle McMahon found Barr guilty of rough conduct, graded as careless and high impact.

Gleeson then asked for a one-match suspension, given the bump resulted in "serious injury" and taking Barr's guilty plea and remorse into account.

Anderson suggested a reprimand or a $400 fine (AFLW fines are set at a pro-rata rate to AFL fines) would be more appropriate, due to the guilty plea, the extremely unusual and unforeseeable result of the bump, Riddell's previous ankle injury, the fact the ball was in the process of entering the forward 50 when the bump occurred and the "exceptional character" of Barr.

However the panel sided with Gleeson, handing down a one-match suspension.

 

[Luke72]

https://womens.afl/video/16458/the-off-the-ball-incident-that-saw-a-giant-banned
Watching the incident now the footage has been made public i have to say I reckon she was lucky with just 1 week. That is a pretty vicious bump a very long way from the action.

 

[giantroo]

https://womens.afl/video/16458/the-off-the-ball-incident-that-saw-a-giant-banned
Watching the incident now the footage has been made public i have to say I reckon she was lucky with just 1 week. That is a pretty vicious bump a very long way from the action.

Totally agree.

 

[muttley45]

Adrian Anderson, once a weasel, always a weasel, i can remember him as Demetriou's mouthpiece back in the day.

 

[Luke72]

Erin Phillips is a star, we will have to put some work into negating her influence. I would give Thalia Randall first crack, hopefully she has the right mix of speed and strength to run with her. Maybe Garner to go with her at centre bounces.

 

[DaveyBoy123]

This conference system is getting more ridiculous as the weeks go by. Presuming Melbourne hold on to beat Brissy, then Carlton will be top of conference B. CARLTON FFS... & 5th place in conference A (the bullfrogs) SHOULD be a game clear of them!

We're gonna have something like the 7th best team make the finals with a 3-4 record!

How has this not received any press? Has Livingstone (or whoever) been grilled over this yet?

 

[Luke72]

This conference system is getting more ridiculous as the weeks go by. Presuming Melbourne hold on to beat Brissy, then Carlton will be top of conference B. CARLTON FFS... & 5th place in conference A (the bullfrogs) SHOULD be a game clear of them!

We're gonna have something like the 7th best team make the finals with a 3-4 record!

How has this not received any press? Has Livingstone (or whoever) been grilled over this yet?

Yeah it's playing out in the worst possible fashion. I suspect it has been trialed here as a precursor to putting in the AFL so hopefully they note the flaws and put that idea away.

 

[Firestarter]

Yeah it's playing out in the worst possible fashion. I suspect it has been trialed here as a precursor to putting in the AFL so hopefully they note the flaws and put that idea away.

Or note the flaws and pay attention to them according to who they care about.

 

[kangaspurs]

Yeah it's playing out in the worst possible fashion. I suspect it has been trialed here as a precursor to putting in the AFL so hopefully they note the flaws and put that idea away.

Not sure about that, unless the AFL moves to 20 teams.

I think it's to bed it in now before the 4 new teams join the competition next year as a justification for keeping the total number of games in the season down, although it would make far more sense to have a normal ladder with every team playing each other once and the top 4 making finals. At least, I hope that's the end game because as much as I'm enjoying it myself, a 7 game season not only affects the credibility of the league, but it also affects the integrity of it considering that all teams don't even play each other once.

 

[The Nostradamus]

This is good they won’t ever introduce conferences in the men’s comp after this joke

 

[Dodecahedron]

This conference system is getting more ridiculous as the weeks go by. Presuming Melbourne hold on to beat Brissy, then Carlton will be top of conference B. CARLTON FFS... & 5th place in conference A (the bullfrogs) SHOULD be a game clear of them!

We're gonna have something like the 7th best team make the finals with a 3-4 record!

How has this not received any press? Has Livingstone (or whoever) been grilled over this yet?

Yep. Embarrassing like everything else the AFL tries to ‘engineer’. I wonder whether it would be too late for the AFL to simply say ‘We were wrong so the top 4 sides will play in the finals in 2019.’ Would that be so wrong, even if changed mid-season?

 

[RobZombie]

This conference system is getting more ridiculous as the weeks go by. Presuming Melbourne hold on to beat Brissy, then Carlton will be top of conference B. CARLTON FFS... & 5th place in conference A (the bullfrogs) SHOULD be a game clear of them!

We're gonna have something like the 7th best team make the finals with a 3-4 record!

How has this not received any press? Has Livingstone (or whoever) been grilled over this yet?

Doing the conferences based on the previous year's 1-3-5-7 and 2-4-6-8 was dumb. It makes the first one stronger without question. And then they put the more highly rated expansion team in the same one. Should have done something like 1-4-5-8 and 2-3-6-7.

Can you imagine the howls of anguish if we were in group B? "Waaah North are too good and then you gave them an armchair ride through a weak conference. Waaaaah!"

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Yep. Embarrassing like everything else the AFL tries to ‘engineer’. I wonder whether it would be too late for the AFL to simply say ‘We were wrong so the top 4 sides will play in the finals in 2019.’ Would that be so wrong, even if changed mid-season?

They should do that. I generally don’t like changing horses midstream but this is ludicrous.

 

[muttley45]

Gerard Whately on SEN this morning anounced that the AFLW semi finals will be crossover, ie, 1st in conference A will play 2nd in conference B, and 2nd in A to play 1st in B, winners to play in Grand Final, seems they have admitted that the conference scenario is a monumental failure.

 

[giantroo]

Having a sook

 

[Firestarter]

I stopped taking SEN seriously 10 years ago...

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Whinge. Whinge. ******* whinge.

 

[Dodecahedron]

Heaps of other clubs had THUMPING wins on the weekend. No mention of how they built their lists? I stopped listening to SEN 3 years ago. Muck-raking clowns.

 

[Black2Blue]

Having a sook

Got a bit of the 70s VFL feel to it.

pre early 70s: "poor Norf, shitkicker club, never won a flag..."
'75-'77: "Not fair, North won flags by rorting the system..."

Winning the flag with the "its not fair, they are too good" media and opposition bitterness just makes it sweeter. Hope the women go all the way, win the flag, and the club rub the whingers' noses in it.

 

[shintemaster]

Having a sook

Must be hard for Collingwood to experience not having a free ride and massive game day and scheduling advantages for the first time in decades.

 

[Luke72]

What a complete load of s**t, I hope the girls don’t let it sour their achievements. It has been pointed out numerous times already why the argument is flawed.

I hope that the club goes harder in the off season and recruits more high profile players. I’d like them to get Brazell from Collingwood and Beeson from GWS. See the stink if they could pull that off!