Roast The Chronicles of Alan Richardson - Part II - Richo Resigns (16/07)

[Persevering Saint]

I find virtue signalling about being a member of a sporting club a fascinating phenomenon. The hills some feel they need to die on...

 

[majortinkle]

I still cant get this one play. Cant remember who but, we kicked it long to Lonie who was against a key back and a small defender. Like wtf

he just needed to be stronger in the contest - it's a winning formula and I fancy with his additional bulk this off season he's going to be out muscling the big guys so the 'tactic' will pay off

 

[George]

I find virtue signalling about being a member of a sporting club a fascinating phenomenon. The hills some feel they need to die on...

Well it's obvious your opinion holds no value now that you said sporting club. It's more than just a sporting club. It's a way of life. Gosh.

 

[NarklesHelmet]

This is a fantastic post! Agree with all sentiments here, explained really well
With the exception of doubting whether any team with fundamental flaws
Can turn it around in one year? I believe they can, momentum and the total belief required with the right buy in
has seen sides do it in the past in spades!

Albeit coming off a slightly higher base, but not much....
Bulldogs
Rich
Coll
WCE
Only prob is most of those teams come from the Clarkson model you speak of! So i have
defeated my own argument!

It's all still hypothetical and for our sake, it would be amazing if we could turn it around in a year, Ratten would have to be amazing at his job to pull it off though because we are up against so many good teams nowadays that are doing things well on the development, recruiting and coaching/tactics side.

The gap gets wider the longer you are in the wilderness unfortunately and we are deep in the wilderness based on last year. Some people see last year as an aberration and I get that's why they're optimistic. For me, last year was when the chickens came home to roost and everything was exposed after Roo and Joey left. Hearing Roo speak so intelligently and articulately about the game in the media since only strenthens that view in my mind.

For me, coaches are like horses when it comes to pedigree/bloodlines. Sure, sometimes you get one-offs that start their own thing (Clarkson being a good example... and these one offs are usually exceptional) but most of the good ones come from a good bloodline. Looking at Richo's coaching bloodline, it's not great at all (I remember a post way back from Persevering Saint that talked about this when Richo was hired... it was a ripper post and proven to be prophetic).

For a coach to rise above his "bloodline" he needs to have exceptional qualities when it comes to man management, tactics, psychology... you name it. They also need to be charismatic. In your heart of hearts, do you think Richo is that man?

 

[VDS66]

I find virtue signalling about being a member of a sporting club a fascinating phenomenon. The hills some feel they need to die on...

I find the demanding of high standards from a sporting club and selective loyalty towards said club because the it doesn't meet the demanders expectations a fascinating act of hypocrisy.

Are you in or out?

 

[VDS66]

It's all still hypothetical and for our sake, it would be amazing if we could turn it around in a year, Ratten would have to be amazing at his job to pull it off though because we are up against so many good teams nowadays that are doing things well on the development, recruiting and coaching/tactics side.

The gap gets wider the longer you are in the wilderness unfortunately and we are deep in the wilderness based on last year. Some people see last year as an aberration and I get that's why they're optimistic. For me, last year was when the chickens came home to roost and everything was exposed after Roo and Joey left. Hearing Roo speak so intelligently and articulately about the game in the media since only strenthens that view in my mind.

For me, coaches are like horses when it comes to pedigree/bloodlines. Sure, sometimes you get one-offs that start their own thing (Clarkson being a good example... and these one offs are usually exceptional) but most of the good ones come from a good bloodline. Looking at Richo's coaching bloodline, it's not great at all (I remember a post way back from Persevering Saint that talked about this when Richo was hired... it was a ripper post and proven to be prophetic).

For a coach to rise above his "bloodline" he needs to have exceptional qualities when it comes to man management, tactics, psychology... you name it. They also need to be charismatic. In your heart of hearts, do you think Richo is that man?

Just curious, how many recent premiership coaches have come from Clarkos bloodline?

 

[mightymalaka]

I find virtue signalling about being a member of a sporting club a fascinating phenomenon. The hills some feel they need to die on...

I'm more than happy to be laid down in a ditch!

Would it be possible that because you live in Adel ( my commiserations btw )
That this makes it easier to distance yourself?

 

[NarklesHelmet]

Just curious, how many recent premiership coaches have come from Clarkos bloodline?

With a starting point of 2010, it looks like:

2010 Malthouse

2011 Scott

2012 Longmire

2013 Clarkson

2014 Clarkson

2015 Clarkson

2016 Beveridge (Clarkson)

2017 Hardwick (Clarkson)

2018 Simpson (Clarkson)

 

[Diehard Saint]

With a starting point of 2010, it looks like:

2010 Malthouse

2011 Scott

2012 Longmire

2013 Clarkson

2014 Clarkson

2015 Clarkson

2016 Beveridge (Clarkson)

2017 Hardwick (Clarkson)

2018 Simpson (Clarkson)

2020 Ratten ( Clarkson)

 

[Persevering Saint]

I find the demanding of high standards from a sporting club and selective loyalty towards said club because the it doesn't meet the demanders expectations a fascinating act of hypocrisy.

Are you in or out?

Dude, I'm in as much as I can be bothered. I'm not in as much as I used to be, sure. I'm not in so much now as when my family revolved their weekends around games of foitball, where my daughter was worried at how much Daddy was stressing out about some team's forward line. By your reckoning, that makes me unhealthy. Okay, man, sure.

I come on here, read some stuff, have a laugh, make the odd joke, and call it like I see it. That's enough for me.

If being all in is the only acceptable standard for yourself, fine, good for you.

 

[King_Steele]

I find the demanding of high standards from a sporting club and selective loyalty towards said club because the it doesn't meet the demanders expectations a fascinating act of hypocrisy.

Are you in or out?

Blood in, blood out.

 

[VDS66]

Dude, I'm in as much as I can be bothered. I'm not in as much as I used to be, sure. I'm not in so much now as when my family revolved their weekends around games of foitball, where my daughter was worried at how much Daddy was stressing out about some team's forward line. By your reckoning, that makes me unhealthy. Okay, man, sure.

I come on here, read some stuff, have a laugh, make the odd joke, and call it like I see it. That's enough for me.

If being all in is the only acceptable standard for yourself, fine, good for you.

Good for you.

I call it as I see it.

My opinion is as valid as yours. Sorry if I don't follow the herd like others.

I'm genuinely curious about people's loyalty.

A big factor of successful clubs is their loyal membership base.

I seriously don't want to rattle cans again, I'm too old.

If you choose not to renew that's your call and you have your reasons which you are entitled to.

My view is my view and I hope it doesn't hold weight with you, because it shouldn't... And I'm.pretty certain it doesn't.

Edit. In fairness you don't constantly bag the club and I know you post tongue in cheek most times.

My original post has nothing to do with you.

 

[VDS66]

With a starting point of 2010, it looks like:

2010 Malthouse

2011 Scott

2012 Longmire

2013 Clarkson

2014 Clarkson

2015 Clarkson

2016 Beveridge (Clarkson)

2017 Hardwick (Clarkson)

2018 Simpson (Clarkson)

And Clarkson came from RTB lol...

Cheers

 

[George]

Dude, I'm in as much as I can be bothered. I'm not in as much as I used to be, sure. I'm not in so much now as when my family revolved their weekends around games of foitball, where my daughter was worried at how much Daddy was stressing out about some team's forward line. By your reckoning, that makes me unhealthy. Okay, man, sure.

I come on here, read some stuff, have a laugh, make the odd joke, and call it like I see it. That's enough for me.

If being all in is the only acceptable standard for yourself, fine, good for you.

Severing Saint

 

[ParapMarkets]

These are both excellent posts and to me get to the heart of the problems we face as a footy team moving forward and why we are in the hole we are in now. I want to expand on a few points that are raised from this.

1. Teams play in a way that reflects the personality/philosophy of the head coach. All coaches have ideas on how the game should be played and what they think wins games of football. That is a reflection on their personality type, their playing experience and then their coaching experience. You can find out what their philosophy is by listening to what they say in interviews but mainly on how they perform as a team over time in match conditions (if we were in the inner-sanctum and could compare our training to other teams, we could also see differences here as well). What we can see is that, under Richardson, St Kilda are a team that bases our gameplan on pressure, tackling and quick ball movement. Looking at Richardson's previous Port Adelaide experience, it's no big surprise that Port played in a similar way when he was there.

2. Richardson has never had experience from a system that prioritizes precision skill execution in the modern game. This to me is a big worry. Skill execution under pressure and having composure needs to be drilled into players from the second they walk through the door of the club to the moment their career finishes. It has to be the bedrock of any gameplan, a non-negotiable. But it doesn't just happen over night. It needs to be worked on constantly. This is a fundamental issue for coaches like Richardson in modern sport who think the way they do... it is so hard to get them to understand that defense, tackling and pressure isn't the trump card it once was... you need to be creative to work through stifling defenses that every team has... there is no other way.

3. Linked to point 2, to be "creative" as a coach/tactician, you need to have reliable foot soldiers that you can paint your canvas with. But the foot soldiers need to have the right skill-set to do it with. This means they can execute their skills automatically and that they have the composure to think through situations. But this "footy IQ" takes time to develop, it doesn't just happen over night. But most players thrive when they are being developed right.

The beauty of a system where skills and "thinking" footballers are valued is that you end up being flexible to change your tactics based on the trends in the modern game. People marvel at how, after we smashed the Hawks by 70 odd points 2 seasons back through our manic pressure, they quickly got themselves back off the canvas and completely changed their gamestyle. It's because with the philosophy they have and the skill-set that their coaches and players have, they were able to, in season, come up with a different way of playing and implement it into game situations straight away. Players who can execute under pressure and have high footy IQs are handy this way.

4. More and more, the successful teams are ones that have sprung up out of the Clarkson philosophy when it comes to skill development and flexibility. From the Hawks 3-peat, to the Dogs (Bevo worked under Clarkson), to the Tigers (Hardwick worked under Clarkson), to the Eagles (Simpson worked under Clarkson, Mitchell was the midfield coach and a Clarkson captain). The only team really competing with those teams lately is Sydney coming from Roos. While a strong philosophy, it is more built on defence and, like Freo with Lyon (another Roos protege) their teams are not looking dynamic enough and still seem to be favoring a tackle/defense first approach. Geelong and Adelaide are hybrids that have looked promising at times but seem to wilt when it comes close to going all the way (teases). But they can certainly move the ball well so are worth watching to see if they can go all the way one day.

5. A big reason the Clarkson teams do so well is because they give the modern players the tools they need to survive in what is a tough league to succeed in nowadays with the pressure. Sure, they might have different tactical systems once they come into clubs but you can bet that all of the coaches that worked in the Hawks system value the ability to execute skills under pressure more than anything else and train their players accordingly from the minute they step into the club.

6. Which brings it back to us. We finally have someone at our club in Ratten from the Hawks system. How long will he take to have an effect? For me, it's a huge ask for both Ratten and the players to suddenly, after one pre-season, build up their footy IQ to a level that they can execute week-in week-out on the biggest stage. Even Clarkson himself would struggle to turn things around quickly with us because the players have had years stagnating. So I don't expect much with Richo still there as he just isn't a good fit for where the game is heading and doesn't have the skill-set to build up the footy IQ of a group of young men to compete with the Hawks and the bunch of other teams that have taken what they do and run with it.

Due to the coaching and development over the past few years, we are a long way behind a bunch of teams and I worry that Ratten is seen as the panacea to all of this. It's a hell of a lot of pressure to put on one guy, no matter how good he is. And remember, he is without Clarko and the whole infrastructure that the Hawks had in place. I can't see him doing what needs to be done at our club without a head coach and some other coaches that also has the Hawks development system coursing through his/their veins.

Clarko had the luxury of having the oldest and most experienced list, with a lot of All-Australians and premiership players at his disposal when they hit a low point, Richo was in charge of one of the youngest and least experienced lists with no All-Australians/premiership players. Very few “come with me boys” type players who could inspire on field confidence (like Nick Riewoldt).

Beveridge and Hardwick May have coached under Clarko but those premiership winning teams were anything but “precision”, they won by playing nothing like Hawthorn.

The doggies were about contested possessions and playing on at all costs, with a lot of pressure. Richmond succeeded by being the greatest pressure team of all time (and having Dusty), getting the ball forward at all costs with a simple game plan that everyone could understand and buy into.

Personally, I think the doggies and tiggers wins were more similar to the Richo game plan you are lamenting than the Clarko model you are revering.

 

[NarklesHelmet]

Clarko had the luxury of having the oldest and most experienced list, with a lot of All-Australians and premiership players at his disposal when they hit a low point, Richo was in charge of one of the youngest and least experienced lists with no All-Australians/premiership players. Very few “come with me boys” type players who could inspire on field confidence (like Nick Riewoldt).

Beveridge and Hardwick May have coached under Clarko but those premiership winning teams were anything but “precision”, they won by playing nothing like Hawthorn.

The doggies were about contested possessions and playing on at all costs, with a lot of pressure. Richmond succeeded by being the greatest pressure team of all time (and having Dusty), getting the ball forward at all costs with a simple game plan that everyone could understand and buy into.

Personally, I think the doggies and tiggers wins were more similar to the Richo game plan you are lamenting than the Clarko model you are revering.

The Hawks were at a low-point after the Saints smashed them with our manic pressure footy and their tactics clearly weren't holding up against pressure teams for awhile. Within a matter of weeks they had turned it around, all-australians or not. That almost never happens in our game. Comparing that situation to Richo when he took over doesn't make sense: everyone knew we were a mess when Richo took over and no one, not least me, was criticising him at all back then.

Richo's criticism is coming from his performance since the middle of 2017, when we have gotten into a downward spiral, been worked out, and he hasn't found a way back since. That's not a good sign, and his squad was significantly better than the one he started with (or if it wasn't, it was a big part down to his coaching and lack of development).

I never said in my original post that Bevo and Hardwick or Simpson succeeded because they copied Clarko: that would clearly be stupid as blind Freddy can see the game plans are different. What i said was that the development system in place at the hawks, that prioritises composure and executing skills under pressure as well as getting players to think through a game, is a fantastic one for modern footy because it gives a coach a fantastic platform to then create their own system from. It is a whole philosophy based on teaching the "right" way to play and it develops smart, flexible footballers.

I go a bit deeper into how Clarko and his plan evolved in an older post here if you're interested....

 

[Drake Huggins]

And Clarkson came from RTB lol...

Cheers

And worked under Timid in 1999. That lit the fire.

 

[cooperrules]

Theres not many coaches who can pioneeer a game plan like our gameplan. Kick it long to the 5 foot forward pocket. i thought richo was really strong in that space.

 

[Mikka84]

Clarko had the luxury of having the oldest and most experienced list, with a lot of All-Australians and premiership players at his disposal when they hit a low point, Richo was in charge of one of the youngest and least experienced lists with no All-Australians/premiership players. Very few “come with me boys” type players who could inspire on field confidence (like Nick Riewoldt).

Beveridge and Hardwick May have coached under Clarko but those premiership winning teams were anything but “precision”, they won by playing nothing like Hawthorn.

The doggies were about contested possessions and playing on at all costs, with a lot of pressure. Richmond succeeded by being the greatest pressure team of all time (and having Dusty), getting the ball forward at all costs with a simple game plan that everyone could understand and buy into.

Personally, I think the doggies and tiggers wins were more similar to the Richo game plan you are lamenting than the Clarko model you are revering.

I do t think it’s Clarko’s game plan that makes his apprentices successful. It’s the leadership. He’s a mentor to all those under him. They develop their own game plan, structure, leadership, but it was all shown by Clarko, who is one of the greatest ever.

 

[CaptainRisky]

It's all still hypothetical and for our sake, it would be amazing if we could turn it around in a year, Ratten would have to be amazing at his job to pull it off though because we are up against so many good teams nowadays that are doing things well on the development, recruiting and coaching/tactics side.

The gap gets wider the longer you are in the wilderness unfortunately and we are deep in the wilderness based on last year. Some people see last year as an aberration and I get that's why they're optimistic. For me, last year was when the chickens came home to roost and everything was exposed after Roo and Joey left. Hearing Roo speak so intelligently and articulately about the game in the media since only strenthens that view in my mind.

For me, coaches are like horses when it comes to pedigree/bloodlines. Sure, sometimes you get one-offs that start their own thing (Clarkson being a good example... and these one offs are usually exceptional) but most of the good ones come from a good bloodline. Looking at Richo's coaching bloodline, it's not great at all (I remember a post way back from Persevering Saint that talked about this when Richo was hired... it was a ripper post and proven to be prophetic).

For a coach to rise above his "bloodline" he needs to have exceptional qualities when it comes to man management, tactics, psychology... you name it. They also need to be charismatic. In your heart of hearts, do you think Richo is that man?

Normally i think your posts are great but to use the word bloodline or pedigree when talking about a coach is way off track , a horse doesnt need to be charismatic to win the golden slipper or the Melbourne cup , i get what your saying and agree in part but cant we just wait a few games this year before we put the green screen up around him

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Normally i think your posts are great but to use the word bloodline or pedigree when talking about a coach is way off track , a horse doesnt need to be charismatic to win the golden slipper or the Melbourne cup , i get what your saying and agree in part but cant we just wait a few games this year before we put the green screen up around him

Perhaps he just needs a gear change and to be ridden a bit more aggressively?

 

[Joffaboy]

I find virtue signalling about being a member of a sporting club a fascinating phenomenon. The hills some feel they need to die on...

I find the term virtue signalling just a right wing virtue signalling trope

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[BigPowerForward]

Perhaps he just needs a gear change and to be ridden a bit more aggressively?

Disturbing.....That image has a bit of "Pulp Fiction" bring out the gimp about it
Now that Darren Weir is out of a job, perhaps we can get him over to the Saints and every time Richo says "strong" and "pleasing" he gets a few jolts from a jigger

 

[Grav]

It's all still hypothetical and for our sake, it would be amazing if we could turn it around in a year, Ratten would have to be amazing at his job to pull it off though because we are up against so many good teams nowadays that are doing things well on the development, recruiting and coaching/tactics side.

The gap gets wider the longer you are in the wilderness unfortunately and we are deep in the wilderness based on last year. Some people see last year as an aberration and I get that's why they're optimistic. For me, last year was when the chickens came home to roost and everything was exposed after Roo and Joey left. Hearing Roo speak so intelligently and articulately about the game in the media since only strenthens that view in my mind.

For me, coaches are like horses when it comes to pedigree/bloodlines. Sure, sometimes you get one-offs that start their own thing (Clarkson being a good example... and these one offs are usually exceptional) but most of the good ones come from a good bloodline. Looking at Richo's coaching bloodline, it's not great at all (I remember a post way back from Persevering Saint that talked about this when Richo was hired... it was a ripper post and proven to be prophetic).
For a coach to rise above his "bloodline" he needs to have exceptional qualities when it comes to man management, tactics, psychology... you name it. They also need to be charismatic. In your heart of hearts, do you think Richo is that man?

Well here’s hoping.

 

[sunny3193]

We need to sack Richo.

triggering bro

Sincs Magic,
Jackie Chiles,
Bob Cobb,
Gresh_Magic.

Loving it.

Have I missed any?