Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates

[Kurve]

here we go. who was the lab boss that got done in the last couple of years?

The sacking of WA's leading DNA scientist for breaching testing protocols is an "unprecedented disaster" in the state's criminal history, Attorney-General John Quigley says.

Mr Quigley said Laurence Webb, the senior forensic biologist with the state-run pathology centre Path West, had been dismissed for failing to follow established protocols.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03...-scientist-27-criminal-cases-in-doubt/8403618

 

[BonzaRam]

I'm following the discussion just fine thanks. You suggested there probably isn't any real reason BRE wouldn't be ok around kids presumably because they aren't his victim type. Clearly looking for a bite with an outlandish statement and you got it. So yes I took it to the ad absurdum with the babysitting call to make my point.

As for the last part and I have no idea what your point is here but for the record I'm not religious nor do my kids do scouts / guides / youth groups or ******* bingo nights for all the relevance that has.

"You suggested there probably isn't any real reason BRE wouldn't be ok around kids presumably because they aren't his victim type. "

Profiling tells us that it is rare for them venture outside of their preferred target type, mainly due to the target type representing someone in their life... You seem to be implying because he is an alleged killer that he must also be an alleged pedophile. The presumptions are yours in this case...

 

[BonzaRam]

The sacking of WA's leading DNA scientist for breaching testing protocols is an "unprecedented disaster" in the state's criminal history, Attorney-General John Quigley says.

Mr Quigley said Laurence Webb, the senior forensic biologist with the state-run pathology centre Path West, had been dismissed for failing to follow established protocols.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03...-scientist-27-criminal-cases-in-doubt/8403618

Will it have any relevance to this case?

 

[Kurve]

"You suggested there probably isn't any real reason BRE wouldn't be ok around kids presumably because they aren't his victim type. "

Profiling tells us that it is rare for them venture outside of their preferred target type, mainly due to the target type representing someone in their life... You seem to be implying because he is an alleged killer that he must also be an alleged pedophile. The presumptions are yours in this case...

Little Athletics caters for kids up to sixteen years old, the Karrakatta victim was only seventeen years old.

 

[BonzaRam]

https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/serial-killer-victim-type-selection

 

[Kurve]

Will it have any relevance to this case?View attachment 623035

Possibly, there were over twenty convictions put to risk. This came out in March of 2017 less than three months after a very high profile arrest. Why? Up until then it had been kept relatively quiet iirc.

 

[GreyCrow]

Little Athletics caters for kids up to sixteen years old, the Karrakatta victim was only seventeen years old.

As an aside, the current accused was 25, the victim had been at a nightclub (I believe) and so his thinking might have been she was overaged

 

[Killer Power]

"You suggested there probably isn't any real reason BRE wouldn't be ok around kids presumably because they aren't his victim type. "

Profiling tells us that it is rare for them venture outside of their preferred target type, mainly due to the target type representing someone in their life... You seem to be implying because he is an alleged killer that he must also be an alleged pedophile. The presumptions are yours in this case...

This is getting ridiculous and you are jumping in mid-way through a discussion. I'm not implying that at all.

 

[Kurve]

https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/serial-killer-victim-type-selection

https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi346 Australia, many victims are both men and women.

Ted Bundy took two young girls, one was 12yo and for a long time he denied it. Because he then had to survive in prison not only as a killer of women but children.

One of John Wayne Gacy's victims was 13yo.

It's comforting to think we can put them in a box with a label on it that says "only targets young legal age women" and think they wont ever jump out of that box.

 

[Killer Power]

https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/serial-killer-victim-type-selection

Do you expect to just post a link that illustrates your point and people to wade through it and guess what exactly that is?

 

[BonzaRam]

This is getting ridiculous and you are jumping in mid-way through a discussion. I'm not implying that at all.

I agree with you to the extent that yes they do venture outside of their target types in moments of opportunity or uncontrolled urges so the risk to anyone around them does rise but it is a low risk. In general they have their preferences and they seek them out.

 

[BonzaRam]

"It's comforting to think we can put them in a box with a label on it that says "only targets young legal age women" and think they wont ever jump out of that box. "

No-one is suggesting that but when comparing individual cases you look at the similarities before you look at the differences.

 

[Kurve]

Many posters on this thread are parents, it's completely understandable to want to question how the accused got through the checks to WWC at Little Athletics, to be alarmed about it and seek some understanding but there appears at this stage to be no related charges so we need to move on from this discussion.

Thanks.

 

[sprockets]

Forget profiling. This case isn't really about profiling, especially since he didn't fit the usual profile of a serial killer, ie, that they don't stop.

 

[Killer Power]

I agree with you to the extent that yes they do venture outside of their target types in moments of opportunity or uncontrolled urges so the risk to anyone around them does rise but it is a low risk. In general they have their preferences and they seek them out.

All I have said is that I would prefer it if my kids weren't coached by a serial killer. It really isn't that unreasonable a position to take.

 

[BonzaRam]

Forget profiling. This case isn't really about profiling, especially since he didn't fit the usual profile of a serial killer, ie, that they don't stop.

Sometimes they do stop, off the top of my head BTK stopped, Zodiac stopped. and a few have even turned themselves in to stop.

 

[sprockets]

Sometimes they do stop, off the top of my head BTK stopped, Zodiac stopped. and a few have even turned themselves in to stop.

Precisely, although BTK had plans, including a target (person), to do one more when he was caught, even after many years of (apparently) laying low. Zodiac may have stopped because he wasn't in a position to keep going.

 

[Catcher In The Rye]

You do realise that this was a hypothetical discussion put forward and not an actual quote right?

Just a comment on a comment

 

[Killer Power]

Just a comment on a comment

Get it but I had seen a number of people responding and picking it apart so just wanted to point it out.

 

[Kurve]

Forget profiling. This case isn't really about profiling, especially since he didn't fit the usual profile of a serial killer, ie, that they don't stop.

This one's been out of the box since his teens, he had a relationship with a much older woman for several months and one of his victims was also an older woman.

IMO it might be a mistake to lock him in to any type. Or gender for that matter.

 

[ZeroDucksGiven]

Was he struggling to control his urges after 20+ years?



https://thewest.com.au/news/claremo...ge-connects-accused-to-murders-ng-b881111826z

Re: the sudden increase in size of BRE's alleged pr0n collection on his zip files and controlling urges.

1: What date did second wife leave him?

2: Maybe BRE was gearing up for another (alleged) attack, but instead was trying to distract himself with viewing and collecting pr0n?

3: Also, I think we should consider WHEN pr0n became so easily accessible and FREE on the internet. More access to free pr0n means more content available to view and collect. Therefore logically leading to bigger and 'better' collection of pr0n.

4: (Sexual) Urges don't disappear with age or experience. Sexual urges/preferences of this extremity usually don't disappear, but they can be controlled or directed into other avenues. The accused may have been distracted or otherwise occupied with his family and LA, and for the most part was able to "control" his urges.

 

[ZeroDucksGiven]

TROPHIES
IMO the accused's alleged Chloe, Sophie, and Nicola stories are his trophies.
I'm guessing he authored the stories loosely around his convictions, so every time he read or edited the stories, then these stories helped enhance the memories of his alleged attacks on victims.

Just a thought.

I wonder too if he ever wrote paper versions of these stories but then destroyed them once he (allegedly) realised it was safer to store them digitally????

 

[Killer Power]

Re: the sudden increase in size of BRE's alleged pr0n collection on his zip files and controlling urges.

1: What date did second wife leave him?

This is a very interesting question and, if it coincides with the ramp up of pr0n collection in 2016, then a frightening one also.

 

[Sorbet Bliss]

What a wild week this has been!
I've only just managed to catch up on this thread and most of the articles.
Lots of quality posts by all.
A fascinating read.

With a bit more time to reflect, perhaps this is an appropriate time to raise and give props to Shellyg who put forth a possible cross dressing theory not too long after the arrest.

It certainly wasn't a popular theory but as we've recently come to learn, it turns out this theory was in fact correct.

Irrespective of being peppered with underhanded vitriolic criticism and personal insults (which must've hurt) by a couple of posters, thankfully no longer around, you stayed firm with your belief and dealt with these attacks with dignity, grace and good humour!

Much respect shellyg

 

[Catcher In The Rye]

Extract from Hansard [ASSEMBLY - Thursday, 27 November 2008] p631b-640a Mr John Quigley; Acting Speaker; Ms Alannah MacTiernan; Dr Kim Hames

This is of interest regarding how they got rid of Det Sgt Ferguson.

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: In 1998-99 that peanut Falconer, that little turnip from Victoria, who had been given the job as Commissioner of Police, together with Caporn said, “He’s the man.” I will continue if I may. The police absolutely convicted Lance in the pages of The West Australian. A decade later it has come out that the police do not believe he is the prime suspect. They advanced that finding on the basis that Lance had failed a lie detector test. They kept from the media and from the press benches the fact that 12 other persons of interest had failed the lie detector test as well because that did not suit their story against Extract from Hansard [ASSEMBLY - Thursday, 27 November 2008] p631b-640a Mr John Quigley; Acting Speaker; Ms Alannah MacTiernan; Dr Kim Hames [3] Lance. It is absolutely shameful. The police had all of Perth believing that Lance was the murderer. They destroyed his life just as they destroyed Mallard’s life. It is no coincidence that after locking up Mallard within two weeks of the death of Mrs Lawrence, Caporn was considered the whiz-kid. They sacked a real copper from macro, Detective Sergeant Paul Ferguson, who the member for Murray-Wellington would vouchsafe is a real copper, and put on this impostor who said, “Lance is the man.” Because of his capacity to solve difficult murder cases, he rocketed up through the police force to the rank of assistant commissioner and was eventually in charge of terrorism laws. God help us all that a person such as that could be put in charge! He does not even have the confidence of the Commissioner of Police to have his contract renewed to be an assistant commissioner. That is foreclosing on other consequences he might face. This would never have been exposed had it not been for the decision of the former Attorney General to grant the petition for Mallard to let the matter be litigated before the court.