Other Colin Kaepernick is Righter Than You Know: The National Anthem is a Celebration of Slavery

[TheGreatBarryB]

Was he good enough to be on a roster? Sure. Does that mean the NFL is obligated to give him a job? Nope.

Eight figure by NFL payout seems to suggest otherwise. Disclosure reasons or not you don’t pay out that amount unless there was something.

Yeah it’s just one of those things that Tyrod Taylor had similar stats and gets $18m. Or that Elway was quite interested just a few months before kneeling. Could have offered less after but didn’t.

 

[Helfarch]

Eight figure by NFL payout seems to suggest otherwise. Disclosure reasons or not you don’t pay out that amount unless there was something.

Yeah it’s just one of those things that Tyrod Taylor had similar stats and gets $18m. Or that Elway was quite interested just a few months before kneeling. Could have offered less after but didn’t.

We're talking about a consortium of billionaires realizing the extent of information that would become public, legally or otherwise and paying off two guys so they would go away. It's legal blackmail / extortion. Combined I'd say owners would pay $100M+ to maintain the privacy of their communication.

Saying that Elway is interested does not bode well for NFL level evaluation of a QB, he doesn't have the best track record. Also Tyrod was paid by the Browns - remember what they were going to trade for McCarron? Tyrod has a better deep ball, is two years younger and not a drama llama. Also last two seasons for Kaep...Tyrod had ~100 more completions and ~70 more completions with a higher completion %. So not really the same.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

We're talking about a consortium of billionaires realizing the extent of information that would become public, legally or otherwise and paying off two guys so they would go away. It's legal blackmail / extortion. Combined I'd say owners would pay $100M+ to maintain the privacy of their communication.

Saying that Elway is interested does not bode well for NFL level evaluation of a QB, he doesn't have the best track record. Also Tyrod was paid by the Browns - remember what they were going to trade for McCarron? Tyrod has a better deep ball, is two years younger and not a drama llama. Also last two seasons for Kaep...Tyrod had ~100 more completions and ~70 more completions with a higher completion %. So not really the same.

Some interesting discussion from US legal guy I read (Forbes) and he was saying how each team could say yeah I don’t want these guys because they knelt. That in itself is not collusion. Collusion is either at least two teams discussing it or a team and the NFL.

He believes the amount paid could have been in the $40-80m!! He said he found it very unlikely that NFL would have paid that if there wasn’t some embarrassing comms that may have hurt them. Also if comms was not relevant it wouldn’t be admissible and certainly never made public.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Some interesting discussion from US legal guy I read (Forbes) and he was saying how each team could say yeah I don’t want these guys because they knelt. That in itself is not collusion. Collusion is either at least two teams discussing it or a team and the NFL.

He believes the amount paid could have been in the $40-80m!! He said he found it very unlikely that NFL would have paid that if there wasn’t some embarrassing comms that may have hurt them. Also if comms was not relevant it wouldn’t be admissible and certainly never made public.

so, basically what i said about two weeks ago.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Highlight of the thread Helfarch using "drama llama" ..

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

so, basically what i said about two weeks ago.

I thought you implied general comms not comms that could imply collusion?

 

[Helfarch]

Some interesting discussion from US legal guy I read (Forbes) and he was saying how each team could say yeah I don’t want these guys because they knelt. That in itself is not collusion. Collusion is either at least two teams discussing it or a team and the NFL.

He believes the amount paid could have been in the $40-80m!! He said he found it very unlikely that NFL would have paid that if there wasn’t some embarrassing comms that may have hurt them. Also if comms was not relevant it wouldn’t be admissible and certainly never made public.

Yeah, nothing ever leaks.

So the same outcome can be both collusion and not collusion, like pricing algorithms always resort to collusion with no contact with each other so it's not collusion but it is. So the real question is then, does it matter? If the reasons he was not hired were legit(ish) then where is the harm?

Anyway you look at it he was in it for sweet cash and sacrificed nothing.

Wears Malcolm X t-shirt while employing an all white legal team. Was this the same one featuring Castro that he wore while telling a Cuban he knew nothing about oppression or Cuba?

You know you're right, he's a swell guy, maybe he can buy a [insert new American Football league] team then be the head coach AND the QB and pay himself $20M.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Yeah, nothing ever leaks.

So the same outcome can be both collusion and not collusion, like pricing algorithms always resort to collusion with no contact with each other so it's not collusion but it is. So the real question is then, does it matter? If the reasons he was not hired were legit(ish) then where is the harm?

Anyway you look at it he was in it for sweet cash and sacrificed nothing.

Wears Malcolm X t-shirt while employing an all white legal team. Was this the same one featuring Castro that he wore while telling a Cuban he knew nothing about oppression or Cuba?

You know you're right, he's a swell guy, maybe he can buy a [insert new American Football league] team then be the head coach AND the QB and pay himself $20M.

So he planned all this from the start? Guy’s a genius.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Low settlement makes it far less likely Kaepernick ever plays in NFL again
Posted by Mike Florio on March 22, 2019, 8:47 PM EDT

The moment that attorney Mark Geragos said Colin Kaepernick could still play in the NFL even after settling his collusion grievance — and predicted that someone soon would “do the right thing” and sign him — I started to think it would never happen. The moment Andrew Beaton of the Wall Street Journal reported that Kaepernick and Eric Reid received a total of less than $10 million to settle their collusion grievances, I became convinced that no NFL team will ever sign Kaepernick again.
The fact that I’m stating it this strongly likely means that someone will sign him this weekend. But that would be a shock. The league bought the past ability to shun Kaepernick for less than $300,000 per team, gladly welcoming the possibility that Kaepernick could sue them again, if he continues to not be gainfully employed by the NFL.
Most recently, the Dolphins had to scramble for a quarterback, and they apparently never gave a moment’s consideration to Kaepernick, even though new coach Brian Flores once witnessed first hand while working as a Patriots assistant coach the things Kaepernick can do. With offseason rosters at 90 and no one even mentioning the possibility of signing Kaepernick, it’s feeling more and more like the ship has permanently sailed, with the league ultimately buying their way out of an ongoing P.R. headache for the equivalent of a bag of boiled peanuts.
So why did Kaepernick take the deal when he could have forced the NFL to go through the motions of a full-blown arbitration hearing? It’s believed that the hearing would have lasted for much of the year, in fits and starts as sessions of the hearing convened on the turf and at the convenience of the various owners who would have been testifying — a far different approach than a hearing that would have unfolded like the trial in the Seinfeld finale, with one owner after another walking through the double doors of a big conference room to be placed under oath and grilled at lenght. It’s also possible (total speculation alert) that the arbitrator sent a clear message to Geragos at a final pre-trial hearing that the evidence of collusion was lacking and that Geragos and Kaepernick were potentially going to spend a lot of time and travel money to ultimately win nothing.
The arbitrator likewise may have persuade the NFL to divert the massive legal and travel expenses that would have been incurred for the full-blown hearing to a settlement fund, kick in a little extra for good measure, and there’s the done deal. And Kaepernick likely will to not try to take a second bite at the collusion crabapple based on any future unemployment. The next time around the evidence would have been even harder to come by, because the league would be smarter about not generating any of it.

 

[Helfarch]

The moment Andrew Beaton of the Wall Street Journal reported that Kaepernick and Eric Reid received a total of less than $10 million to settle their collusion grievances, I became convinced that no NFL team will ever sign Kaepernick again.

Less than he would have been paid in the last year of his 49ers contract.

So he planned all this from the start? Guy’s a genius.

Clearly

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Less than he would have been paid in the last year of his 49ers contract.


Clearly

He would have made more on other teams. What did Browns pay Tyrod again?

 

[Helfarch]

He would have made more on other teams. What did Browns pay Tyrod again?

Actually he would have been paid more than Tyrod at the Browns.

MAR 1 2017: Declined a $16.9M player option for 2017 with San Francisco (SF), clearing $14.4M in cap

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Actually he would have been paid more than Tyrod at the Browns.

MAR 1 2017: Declined a $16.9M player option for 2017 with San Francisco (SF), clearing $14.4M in cap

He declined that well before this blew up. Like a lot players that decline their team’s offer

 

[Helfarch]

He declined that well before this blew up. Like a lot players that decline their team’s offer

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/sports/nfl-colin-kaepernick-protests-timeline.html

Yeah, nah.

How many QBs play for a 2-11 team then get starter gigs?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/sports/nfl-colin-kaepernick-protests-timeline.html

Yeah, nah.

How many QBs play for a 2-11 team then get starter gigs?

Nah yeah. Lynch admitted they would have realeased him anyway. Kaep opted out knowing that and hoping to get a FA chance earlier.

How would have have even known or planned a collusion case at that time when he hadn’t even tested the market? Most at the thought he’d get an offer somewhere.

So there was no offer from 49ers. I thought you meant Broncos offer which was offered before the kneeling.

As for blaming him for the 2-14 season, they had a fire sale prior to the season. His stats anyway were better than Tyrod, yet Tyrod got a huge deal.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out-of-his-contract/

 

[Helfarch]

Nah yeah. Lynch admitted they would have realeased him anyway. Kaep opted out knowing that and hoping to get a FA chance earlier.

How would have have even known or planned a collusion case at that time when he hadn’t even tested the market? Most at the thought he’d get an offer somewhere.

So there was no offer from 49ers. I thought you meant Broncos offer which was offered before the kneeling.

As for blaming him for the 2-14 season, they had a fire sale prior to the season. His stats anyway were better than Tyrod, yet Tyrod got a huge deal.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out-of-his-contract/

You link to an article that explains that the 49ers thought they were better off with Hoyer as a backup over Kaepernick. This does not help the Kaepernick deserves a job cause.

Tyrod got a stupid deal from the stupid browns - many of those involved no longer have their jobs with the Browns, including Tyrod.

The Hoyer thing though, wow that has to hurt - that is pretty much "you're never starting again if playing at all".

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

You link to an article that explains that the 49ers thought they were better off with Hoyer as a backup over Kaepernick. This does not help the Kaepernick deserves a job cause.

Tyrod got a stupid deal from the stupid browns - many of those involved no longer have their jobs with the Browns, including Tyrod.

The Hoyer thing though, wow that has to hurt - that is pretty much "you're never starting again if playing at all".

49ers could have signed Mickey Mouse. The point is it wasn’t about talent, they had no intention of signing him.

Glennon got a stupid contract as well and so did a few other quite ordinary QBs.

 

[Exe Gesis]

The NFL has arranged a private workout for free agent Colin Kaepernick that will take place Saturday in Atlanta.
Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the workout will include "on-field work and an interview." NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports "several clubs inquired as to Kaepernick’s football readiness," and that "both him and his reps have frequently expressed his desire for him to return to the league." Perhaps this was part of Kaepernick's winter settlement with the league. With many teams tanking and others dealing with injury situations, the bottom third of NFL quarterback play has been particularly poor this year. Kaepernick, who hasn't played a down of football since 2016, turned 32 nine days ago.
SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Nov 12, 2019, 5:20 PM ET

 

[baz_machine]

If Blaine Gabbert is still on someones roster....

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

We'll be talking about Johnny Unitas deserving a chance to be on a roster again if this keeps up.

 

[00Stinger]

Blaine Gabbert

lol I had to google that as I thought there was no way he could still be on an NFL rooster

* me dead he is

 

[Exe Gesis]

kaepernick wouod be a bit washed up by now tho, three years out of the league, probably no better

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

kaepernick wouod be a bit washed up by now tho, three years out of the league, probably no better

Exactly.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

His mobility was his strength as a QB, not pinpoint accuracy, which I hate to inform people, disappears as you get older.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

His mobility was his strength as a QB, not pinpoint accuracy, which I hate to inform people, disappears as you get older.

Do you reckon that's Brady's secret? His mobility hasn't regressed and that's why he's so good?