Society/Culture Christchurch Mosque mass shooting

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TimmeT said:
Again I will ask what race is Islam?
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You're seriously arguing semantics over this?

It was a bigoted attack, his posts on social media and his manifesto are clear for all to see.
 
Malifice said:
For those of you that wonder why I'm harder on RWNJs on this site so it doesnt turn into the cesspit that is 4chans Pol boards, now you know why.
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ROFL look at the irony here. We have one of the biggest left leaning loons on this site telling us how they censor debate from those they politically oppose because they don't like what they post. I think that this just proves quite nicely how you mask your censorship of centre right views on issues to do with matters such as religion and race by using clearly fabricated excuses such as these. As bad as 4chan is at least debate is allowed from both sides without much restriction meaning the rwnj and left leaning loons can be called out for their ridiculous ideas.
 
its free real estate said:
We are a species that has spent most of its existence in conflict with one another over resources, with cultural differences usually being the dividing line. The peace of the present has come at a time of an enormous resource bounty (fossil fuels). What happens when that ends?
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It's a sobering point, and I think an important bit of nuance is that cultural differences are a symptom rather than a cause. i.e. if you only have enough food for six people you need to kill bloke number seven, and to make yourself feel better you'll pick the guy with a shitty soul patch instead of your kids. It's not really the soul patch that puts him on the outs, but the necessity of putting someone on the outs, and humanity has been consistently overcoming this sticking point. With agriculture you can grow food for one hundred people, so instead of slightly different people being a threat, they're an asset, as they can help you defend your farm from the really different people; as we consistently expand our ability to accommodate the cultural barriers break down.

Rather than Islam being a bridge too far for harmony (saying this despite my issues with it as a inarguable moral code, same as with Christianity) I think it just so happens that Islams major contact and mingling with the West has, as you say, coincided with climate change and fuel concerns becoming an issue to the extent that it has made accommodation an issue (see Syria situation). As soon as this situation rectifies the conflict ceases. If the situation continues to worsen I expect we'll see hatred towards/between more groups, regardless of Islam.

I don't think segregating or instituting cultural purity into law is going to do anything to prevent this though, as I see it as an inevitable side effect of the regression of society which seems to be looming. We've been pressing forward with technological and overall societal progress essentially since the Dark Ages, and I don't think anyone is really prepared to know the effects of, and how to cope with, the reversal of that process.

Mostly an irrelevant tangent with respect to this case in isolation though.
 
Jobe Watson said:
It's how it's always been on the internet. The "an hero" meme was taken from a memorial page of a kid who killed himself, with one of his family members constantly making the grammatical error of calling him "an hero". A meme that spread across the entire internet that was used to mock suicidal people, literally taken from a memorial page dedicated to a dead child. Morbid.

Dickheads like this guy don't know where the joke ends. Most of the idiots on /pol/ only say that offensive s**t because they can, not because they truly believe it. They just want to be as edgy and controversial as possible, and 'trigger' as many people as possible. Unfortunately, normalising that kind of hate speech can have serious repercussions in the real world.
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The internet is changing slowly. It was new and disconnected, there was probably one computer in most houses, had make sure the cord was in, blah blah etc. Before social media it was essentially anonymous. "The internet isn't real life".

Only a ******* idiot in 2019 would call the internet not real life. It's omnipresent and essential. Law reflects abuse happens on it. And after decades people have worked out many of the 'jokes' or 'lulz' probably aren't jokes at all. They're what people actually think.

Memes making fun of unknown people, they're rarer than a decade ago.
 
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its free real estate said:
Four people being involved is a massive failure of counter-terrorism intelligence.
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His twitter posts from 12 March should have been an enormous red flag.

It's scary that nobody reported this guy - his online friends all but encourage his actions though if you read some of the nationalist sites online.
 
Malifice said:
For those of you that wonder why I'm harder on RWNJs on this site so it doesnt turn into the cesspit that is 4chans Pol boards, now you know why.
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Can't argue with that. No it's noble work you are doing Mal.

Removing all the swastikas and mein kampf signatures floating about the place.

If it was up to me, I'd give you an outstanding achievement award.
 
TimmeT said:
Again I will ask what race is Islam?
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While I actually do think this is a relevant point in some contexts (i.e. Theology), I don't think it is here. You only need to look at people who are violently bigoted against Islam targeting Sikhs and Hindus based on their race to see that hate of Islam can manifested as racism even if Islam isn't 'technically' a race.
 

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TimmeT said:
ROFL look at the irony here. We have one of the biggest left leaning loons on this site telling us how they censor debate from those they politically oppose because they don't like what they post. I think that this just proves quite nicely how you mask your censorship of centre right views on issues to do with matters such as religion and race by using clearly fabricated excuses such as these. As bad as 4chan is at least debate is allowed from both sides without much restriction meaning the rwnj and left leaning loons can be called out for their ridiculous ideas.
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One of their ******* posters just gunned down dozens of people and live streamed it to the forum.

*s sake man. Youre self evidently wrong. You'll argue anything wont you?
 
TimmeT said:
ROFL look at the irony here. We have one of the biggest left leaning loons on this site telling us how they censor debate from those they politically oppose because they don't like what they post. I think that this just proves quite nicely how you mask your censorship of centre right views on issues to do with matters such as religion and race by using clearly fabricated excuses such as these. As bad as 4chan is at least debate is allowed from both sides without much restriction meaning the rwnj and left leaning loons can be called out for their ridiculous ideas.
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How about some of you start calling out some of thes right wing loons who kill people the instead of those who yell and protest them?

It's laughable the lengths you go to to equivocate between these murdering right wingers and those who yell at them for being racist.

You don't because so many of you are in ideological lockstep with them. Thankfully, you all stop at the shitposting.
 
Mofra said:
His twitter posts from 12 March should have been an enormous red flag.

It's scary that nobody reported this guy - his online friends all but encourage his actions though if you read some of the nationalist sites online.
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Probably had no offline friends who knew anything about it. But yeah the cops should have seen this s**t he was posting weapons and ammo with names of mass shooters on them surely that's gotta get the noggin joggin
 
its free real estate said:
We are a species that has spent most of its existence in conflict with one another over resources, with cultural differences usually being the dividing line. The peace of the present has come at a time of an enormous resource bounty (fossil fuels). What happens when that ends?
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SHAKESPEARE said:
Four people involved.

Bit like the trenchcoat mafia
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What do you mean?

Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were two loners; they barely even socialised with other people. Isn't the 'trenchcoat mafia' just a phrase basically invented by the 1990s US press to get some sort of identity going?
 
Ron The Bear said:
Think of the gangland war, upscaled. Does it tickle your fancy?
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This is no turf battle. This guy's off the charts.

Media not reporting he's on the autism spectrum yet, but will only be a matter of time. As commented above this is an enormous failure of the intelligence community as there's hardly a red flag this guy wasn't waving.
Socially isolated with poor social skills, large online presence, glorification of violence, extreme ideology, posting his own weaponry 3 days before the attack, known on multiple right-wing sites, etc. etc.
 
HurleyHepsHird said:
Interesting that your response to an act of rightwing terror is suggest we should be concerned about the left.

You people have broken brains.
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I could understand doing that if the right wing believe that the left are bringing everyone together in a group hug regardless of culture, either side could see the other as the fox and their own as the hens.

There isn't a justification for this violence against innocents, the rationale is important to understand.
 
Mofra said:
His twitter posts from 12 March should have been an enormous red flag.

It's scary that nobody reported this guy - his online friends all but encourage his actions though if you read some of the nationalist sites online.
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It's the side effect of the 'trolling' culture of the internet. Nine times out of ten everyone is just going for extreme shock value chuckles, the more genuine it appears the more humorous it is to people.

Add to that the anonymity, and even if law enforcement can circumvent that, the disconnected nature of the internet is another hurdle for law enforcement which has jurisdiction issues. If the FBI picked this up, I assume they can't burst down this guys door and take him into custody, and the bureaucracy which is probably associated with tipping New Zealand authorities off is just burning time which increases the likelihood of an attack. And that's only if they manage to pick up on the warning signs, and then evaluate it as a legitimate threat and not noise.

The reach of the internet has eclipsed societies grasp. I think action is needed, but I'm not confident in policy makers having the expertise to take helpful action for years to come.
 
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