Autopsy Collingwood v Geelong, Rd 1 2019: Disappointing loss.

[TradeDraft]

Only 1 of the top 4 Teams won in RD1.


That does put our narrow loss in Prespective a Bit

 

[TradeDraft]

I fully expect Stephenson to play similarly to Kelly in a few years when he has a bigger tank and some more size.

Unfortunately there are only few players in the league with the ability to find the footy and use explosive pace like he does. He has killed us twice in a row now.

Shows how slow our Midfield is

 

[mike123]

Laughable - we had a winning relationship between coach a players that got us to the GF - but somehow you think that’s this is the wrong bond between coach and players to win a flag.
As Leigh Mathews said when discussing the free that Maynard should have got from the Rioli block - even Umpites get stage fright.
It was a game that turned on that moment - if the free was paid we win.

So all your anti Buck posting has no substance.

Unpopular opinion but that wasn’t a free.

 

[Occidental]

Only 1 of the top 4 Teams won in RD1.


That does put our narrow loss in Prespective a Bit

That’s last year’s top 4.
No way they will be this year’s top 4.

Too much has changed over summer.

Just look at Brisbane - recruit Neale & Lyons and get another summer of improvement into the likes of Hipwood, Andrews, McCluggage, Rayner & Berry and they will be transformed.

 

[domin8tors]

What's the optimum time to train for structures?

If you study 2 weeks in advance for an exam.. are you guaranteed a better result if you cram it all in the day before an exam re?

No one knows the answer to that.

You're given a time frame. Use it wisely. If its 4 mths or 3 mths of preseason.. no one has advantage over the other.. if they don't have their wits.

You can argue forever about it.. you can say a longer preseason can create more issues than say a shorter preseason.

perhaps you should go back and study a bit longer if that's what you think. sports specialists around the world will tell you preparation / repetition is one of the major keys to success. that's why NBA the have large pre-season practice games. that's why Tennis has lead up tournaments to Majors. that's why visiting cricket teams play warm up games.

 

[No SPIN]

Unpopular opinion but that wasn’t a free.

Then all season we must have been watching a different game.

 

[mike123]

Then all season we must have been watching a different game.

Rioli is allowed to protect the ball drop regardless of whether or not Sheed comes in from the side.

 

[Black_White]

Laughable - we had a winning relationship between coach a players that got us to the GF - but somehow you think that’s this is the wrong bond between coach and players to win a flag.

I tried so hard to leave this one alone...but......
Isn’t it funny that in the preceding years we got nowhere with Bux.
But in the year, by his own admission, that he backed off, gave more responsibility to the assistant coaches and the players, we make a GF?
It’s no coincidence that when Buckley took a step back we thrived.

 

[Black_White]

Unpopular opinion but that wasn’t a free.

I agree.
Seen maybe 6 such incidents this round.
None paid.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

perhaps you should go back and study a bit longer if that's what you think. sports specialists around the world will tell you preparation / repetition is one of the major keys to success. that's why NBA the have large pre-season practice games. that's why Tennis has lead up tournaments to Majors. that's why visiting cricket teams play warm up games.

I rest my case re..

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Will there be a book signing?

No.. I'm actually shy and introverted re..

 

[loki04]

How do you cover a loss of a tall 200cm defender without being exposed for height on the rebound entry? One less tall to defend a rebound entry is very risky IMO.

Do you think they are letting Moore roam free or put a mid sized on him when he leads? he will draw a tall himself. He is an excellent mark generally, Roughead can sift deeper for the possible long return kick if Moore gets out pointed and have someone peel on to his opponent likely Moore after the contest. Mids need to know Moore is on and be ready if it spills.

 

[jmac70]

and Shows you should not Change Coaches when you are on Top

Please don’t go back to bashing Bucks TD.

 

[TradeDraft]

That’s last year’s top 4.
No way they will be this year’s top 4.

Too much has changed over summer.

Just look at Brisbane - recruit Neale & Lyons and get another summer of improvement into the likes of Hipwood, Andrews, McCluggage, Rayner & Berry and they will be transformed.

Just about anyone this year can win the Flag

 

[Maggie5]

Scodog10 I would be very interested in your thoughts on the game.

 

[ColinMochrie]

and Shows you should not Change Coaches when you are on Top

Mick would have also had to have rebuilt the club. And we weren't on top when we changed coach. We were second with a game plan that had been figured out.

It was 8 years ago. Time to move on. We were 4 points from another flag, no need to be living a decade ago.

 

[Scodog10]

Scodog10 I would be very interested in your thoughts on the game.

Ugh I wasn’t happy exiting the ground probably because it was too predictable for my liking. I went into it believing it would be line ball and made comments to Quicky, I think, stating that it would be a pretty dour match because we lacked a bit of grunt in the midfield. Steele was in too many centre contests when he should have been on a wing. I think the 6-6-6 will hurt one of Mayne and Phillips because they can’t start in defence and we look best with Steele on the defensive side of the wing. With one of Adams, Sier, Wills or Greenwood in place of Brown we win, IMO.

We took a few too many in that had limited preparations (Howe, Crisp, JDG and Stephenson) plus there was naturally rust.

We didn’t get enough out of Cox and Mihocek, 8 marks wasn’t enough, and we weren’t able to spot up free targets I50 often enough. That performance from Cox in particular was poor he gets his hands to way too many balls that he drops. Sure the QB and PF games are great, but I’d rather a more reliable target that goes off once every 8-10 weeks.

The defensive group held up, but I think Roughead is getting a bit of a free ride because Hawkins had opportunities to kick 5-6 and he was just too good for him on the lead. I wanted Goldsack in the 22 about a month ago because he was a better bet on the lead v Hawkins, but it didn’t go that way.

Positives were thin on the ground with Elliott and Moore’s returns about it.

A few things that have become a bit clearer as the weekends unfolded are that the five most highly touted teams going into the season have all looked pedestrian at best this weekend so we didn’t suffer from the loss. Geelong, IMO, are one of the teams that can really go toe to toe with our midfield which I think is getting lost a bit. Despite looking out of sync for much of the match we only went down by 7 points and had ample opportunities to put it away.

I think match committee is big this week and even though reports weren’t encouraging I hope the club back Sier in. Richmond has a smallish midfield so another big body around the ball will be big while JDG builds fitness and Adams remains on the sidelines. The reality is I would have accepted a 1-2 record so we still have two bites at the cherry before my mood turns. We’re ok for now is my takeaway.

 

[Maggie5]

Ugh I wasn’t happy exiting the ground probably because it was too predictable for my liking. I went into it believing it would be line ball and made comments to Quicky, I think, stating that it would be a pretty dour match because we lacked a bit of grunt in the midfield. Steele was in too many centre contests when he should have been on a wing. I think the 6-6-6 will hurt one of Mayne and Phillips because they can’t start in defence and we look best with Steele on the defensive side of the wing. With one of Adams, Sier, Wills or Greenwood in place of Brown we win, IMO.

We took a few too many in that had limited preparations (Howe, Crisp, JDG and Stephenson) plus there was naturally rust.

We didn’t get enough out of Cox and Mihocek, 8 marks wasn’t enough, and we weren’t able to spot up free targets I50 often enough. That performance from Cox in particular was poor he gets his hands to way too many balls that he drops. Sure the QB and PF games are great, but I’d rather a more reliable target that goes off once every 8-10 weeks.

The defensive group held up, but I think Roughead is getting a bit of a free ride because Hawkins had opportunities to kick 5-6 and he was just too good for him on the lead. I wanted Goldsack in the 22 about a month ago because he was a better bet on the lead v Hawkins, but it didn’t go that way.

Positives were thin on the ground with Elliott and Moore’s returns about it.

A few things that have become a bit clearer as the weekends unfolded are that the five most highly touted teams going into the season have all looked pedestrian at best this weekend so we didn’t suffer from the loss. Geelong, IMO, are one of the teams that can really go toe to toe with our midfield which I think is getting lost a bit. Despite looking out of sync for much of the match we only went down by 7 points and had ample opportunities to put it away.

I think match committee is big this week and even though reports weren’t encouraging I hope the club back Sier in. Richmond has a smallish midfield so another big body around the ball will be big while JDG builds fitness and Adams remains on the sidelines. The reality is I would have accepted a 1-2 record so we still have two bites at the cherry before my mood turns. We’re ok for now is my takeaway.

Thank you, I really enjoy your analysis of games.

I have held back a bit until I see the replay but am inclined to agree with you re the names you mention being underdone and in my own mind I made allowances.

I have also held back on the three you mention in Cox, Mihocek and Roughhead but agree. Mihocek and Roughead especially, Cox at the moment we need to give Grundy support as not sure Roughhead is the other option.

On reflection, I also think that we were light bodied in the middle and really did miss Adams/Sier and even Greenwood, our tackle numbers were really down which for me is an indicator and many of the tackles that we did lay weren't really crunching ones like Geelong laid.

 

[Black_White]

Mick would have also had to have rebuilt the club. And we weren't on top when we changed coach. We were second with a game plan that had been figured out.

It was 8 years ago. Time to move on. We were 4 points from another flag, no need to be living a decade ago.

So... we are second now
With a game plan that has been worked out, having lost our last two games.
Sounds just like 8 years ago doesn’t it?
So are we going to have another rebuild as your scenario suggests?

 

[sr36]

Thank you, I really enjoy your analysis of games.

I have held back a bit until I see the replay but am inclined to agree with you re the names you mention being underdone and in my own mind I made allowances.

I have also held back on the three you mention in Cox, Mihocek and Roughhead but agree. Mihocek and Roughead especially, Cox at the moment we need to give Grundy support as not sure Roughhead is the other option.

On reflection, I also think that we were light bodied in the middle and really did miss Adams/Sier and even Greenwood, our tackle numbers were really down which for me is an indicator and many of the tackles that we did lay weren't really crunching ones like Geelong laid.

Lost it through poor skills - continual fumbles and kicking were atrocious.

Going forward though I'm a bit concerned about a couple of things regarding our mix.
a) We learnt 4 years age that Sidebottom, Pendlebury and Beams are guns but a bad combination around stoppages as they are all too similar in style in that they look to play on the edge of the contest and pounce on balls that bobble out of the contest or spread outwards when we get first hands on it.They spent too much time togehter around the stoppages. That mix needs to be changed.
b) I'm a bit worried about having too many defenders who are too static when we have the ball. They were all fine defensively, but Langdon, Roughhead, Howe, and Aish don't look to play a significant part in transitioning the footy. I think it's going to be an issue unless we go with a different mix.

 

[jmac70]

So... we are second now
With a game plan that has been worked out, having lost our last two games.
Sounds just like 8 years ago doesn’t it?
So are we going to have another rebuild as your scenario suggests?

The rebuild didn’t start until after the 2013 season.
Four year rebuild before returning to the grand final. Not bad going.

 

[Carringbush2010]

When I was studying at Harvard re I wrote a piece on Making star teams out of star players.. high distinction for it re but not here to talk about that and that re.. this midfield needs an identity and a hierarchy of some sort re.. eg.. Beams or Treloar or whoever need to come to grips with being high calibre subordinates re.. if this 'its not my job' mentality creeps into our play.. then I doubt we'll get very far.

Our injuries last yr were a blessing in disguise cause there was a clear hierarchy out there.. the talent was spread between A-C grade talent. Like a G1 pit crew re.. if we had a full list too chose from.. doesn't necessarily make us any better.. it just means we might have more head mechanics bumping heads and s**t out there.. and no one prepared to take on the role of a subordinate and change the f tyres re.

Wouldn't expect most of you to understand wtf it is I'm taking about unless your Mensa like me re.

A f great re.

Hey Gimpy,

Usually you're on the mark with most things re but to suggest a quality heavy midfield will lead to complacency is speculative at best. Questioning the club culture after one bad game is a little reactionary for mine.

If you look at last we had near zero list changes from 2017, you could argue the culture changed with the changes to the coaching panel and footy department - bringing Maxy back was a masterstroke in my book and resulted in positives on the field.

I'm certain we were worlds away from our potential on Friday night and it's unlikely we'll continue that poor form that we almost won with anyway.

I believe that quality heavy midfield like the rest of the list has bought in to the discipline culture.

Have a bit more faith re.

 

[Maggie5]

b) I'm a bit worried about having too many defenders who are too static when we have the ball. They were all fine defensively, but Langdon, Roughhead, Howe, and Aish don't look to play a significant part in transitioning the footy. I think it's going to be an issue unless we go with a different mix.

I haven't seen enough of Roughead but don't see him as that agile, might be wrong. Moore will only get better and so will Maynard. I don't have a problem with Langdon and Howe but re Aish unless we have someone better, he stays but would like to give him a try on the wing in lieu of Mayne.

Just shows how much we need Shaz and Dunn back or maybe restructure our forward line and send Mihocek back.

Anyway, one game, let's reassess after a couple more.

 

[Black_White]

The rebuild didn’t start until after the 2013 season.
Four year rebuild before returning to the grand final. Not bad going.

But we are second.
And our game plan fell over in our last two games.
Why wait another year?
Rebuild now!
A three year rebuild is better than a four.

 

[jmac70]

But we are second.
And our game plan fell over in our last two games.
Why wait another year?
Rebuild now!
A three year rebuild is better than a four.

We were second last year. Right now we don’t know where we are.